Thursday, May 11, 2017

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Obi of Onitsha, Ooni Ogunwusi and HRH Sanusi as Growing National Brands

Ken:

The Queen is sovereign because the will of the PEOPLE exercised through Parliament wants her as sovereign.




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From: Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu>
Date: 11/05/2017 02:00 (GMT+00:00)
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Obi of Onitsha, Ooni Ogunwusi and HRH Sanusi as Growing National Brands

Yeah, but obi, you are dodging the reality. The queen is not only just a figurehead, if she actually tried to be more she'd be thrown out on her butt. Isn't that the real bottom line here? It's not at all been thus since the present queen, it's been the rule of parliament since… let me google it. Since the glorious revolution, 1689.

Parliament holds the power, and could strip the monarch of all her remaining symbolic powers if she stepped out of line.

Isn't that really the case; it isn't her will, but the power of parliament that is the real sovereign?

Wiki: the glorious revolution of 1689 created parliamentary sovereignty.

k

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

 

From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Rex Marinus <rexmarinus@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday 10 May 2017 at 20:20
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Obi of Onitsha, Ooni Ogunwusi and HRH Sanusi as Growing National Brands

 

Dear Ken,

Yes, technically, the British royalty does seem to live in the world's biggest museum, but that is only technically. Below is a very summaru description of the powers of the monarch:

 

"In theory, the Queen (the reigning monarch) could disband parliament and rule by herself with a technically legitimate power. However, this would likely lead to a civil war which would likely end swiftly and decisively against the Queen's favour and lead to the dissolution of the monarchy and the establishment of the United Republic of Britain and Northern Ireland.

Essentially, because of the history of British law, we are still technically a reigning theocracy where the mandate for power derives from God through their one true representative on earth (i.e. the Queen). The democratically elected government is "appointed" by the Queen to help her run everything in a fair and judicial fashion. However, in reality, the Queen is a figurehead of British government and has very little say in how things actually get done. She does hold a final veto power on all laws that will be passed but it is very unlikely that she will exercise this."

 

British luck seemed to have held out so far, in the last 60 years of the reign of Elizabeth, who by all accounts is a good woman, and a stable influence, who has navigated the monarchy so far with little conflict with parliament. And she is all that we know in the lifetime of many of us. If a mad monarch were to rise - and there have been many of such insane monarchs - he or she might activate the hidden powers of the monarchy. The balance between representation in the commons, and the "ownership" of the parliamentary building is a very interesting relationship. Clearly, the compact between the British and the monarchy has held on since the Carolognian restoration and the death of Cromwell with his dream of a republic. But it might not always be so. And Walter Bagehot's The British Constitution, does situate the actual pyramid of the "hidden" and inactive powers of the monarchy, one which a mad king could appropriate with devastating effect.

Obi Nwakanma

 

 

 


From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:08 PM
To: usaafricadialogue
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Obi of Onitsha, Ooni Ogunwusi and HRH Sanusi as Growing National Brands

 

Dear obi,

You write below: "These relics of a narrow aristocracy exercising power over a vast mass of the untamed and powerless poor should be preserved only in the museum for tourists to remind us of how far man has come in his quest for freedom."

Isn't that actually the case in the u.k.?

The queen has no power, is only a monumental relic for the enormous tourist trade; the church has no role in the govt. and in fact, the citizens of England elect their members of parliament; it is entirely a representational republican form of democracy, with effectively all the same features as all other western liberal democracies.

ken 

 

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

 

From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Rex Marinus <rexmarinus@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday 10 May 2017 at 12:51
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Obi of Onitsha, Ooni Ogunwusi and HRH Sanusi as Growing National Brands

 

These relics of a narrow aristocracy exercising power over a vast mass of the untamed and powerless poor should be preserved only in the museum for tourists to remind us of how far man has come in his quest for freedom. 

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