Wednesday, August 23, 2017

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - TRUMP-LAND: It Is Time ToImpeachTheRacist In The White House

All identity markers are put in brackets, all grounded in metaphysics of presence 
ken

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Date: Tuesday, 22 August 2017 at 02:13
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Oga Ken:

Race is among those words Spivak has enjoined us to always put in brackets.

Your reference to race here is merely as an ethnic marker, the ethnic supremacists use of the term.

There are other valid uses as in the Osu caste which we have debated in which a sub ethnic subsection of a people is viewed as a race apart and treated as such.  The same was true of the lineage of the Ooni of Ife in Yoruba land and the Indian caste system.



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Hi yinka
Without addressing all your point, simply, I believe you vitiate the meaning of racism when you apply it to all power relations.
It is rather how people think of race that determines racism; others, how they think of religion or community or belief etc. there are lots of identity markers, where power relations prove critical, as in gender relations. You wouldn’t call any of that race. 
Maybe there is another elements. For large world religions—like christianity, islam, hinduism, buddhism—the believers come from many different races. Judaism is different where the central belief tied to the community is that jews are benai israel, the children of israel (israel being the name for jacob. God is often referred to, in the jewish torah, as god of abraham, god of isaac, god of jacob.)
Nonetheless, it is offensive to people like me to then refer to jews as a race, thanks to hitler. Jews are a people, not a race. There is a jewish community, not a jewish race. 
Some, offensively, wish to retain its purity; some, more positively, accept diversity and mixing. They are a divided people, like muslims or christians who hold similar notions about purity of the community, but define it differently—say on the basis of belief. 
But not really race.
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I still think what we are discussing falls within the purview of racism in the expanded sense.  Racism always entails a power calculus as your Senegal example shows; power calculus underwritten by the political agency of religion

The details of what I witheld in my last posting is that the young practising trad Jew in his agitated discussions with me unconsciously revealed that he  dropped hints that should they follow through with the relationship he would prefer to raise the children along Jewish traditional lines whereas the higher educated lady sensing that was not being fully cooperative meaning she was resistant to that eventuality..

That was the context of my counsel to both to let religious sensibilities take the back burner.

Asians have been known to perpetrate honour killings of young ladies who defied the family to attempt to partner outside the fold.



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Plenty of room for prejudice; the word racism is not the right one for various forms of prejudice or simply group prioritization.
So, a simple example is (I asume it still is after 10 years) the practice, in the region of senegal where christians are about as numerous as muslims, of having mixed marriages. The region boasted of that openness. The country is 90% muslim; the power is in muslim brotherhoods; so when christians boast of the fforebearance and tolerance, they are praising the dominant muslim society for not oppressing them. Nietzsche would have understood that completely.
And as proof, one cited how muslim men would take christian women as wives.
Of course the children were muslim; of course the christian men could not take muslim women as wives since the children would be raised christian, which meant the loss to the muslim community.
That pattern is not racism; it is something else, a social accommodation to power.

The larger question, asked and answered a million times, concerns racism within the arab world, and for that we have a history that goes back a thousand years, and which is very far from finished, as those living on the zenj coast learned.
Ken

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Date: Saturday, 19 August 2017 at 19:03
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No. What you just described is not Islamic racism. Let us not stretch beyond its limits the term racism.

I would call such a  practice, also  followed by Jews and Hindus,   religiously derived  exclusionary prejudice

or something to that effect. The fact that Moslem males may marry from any religion undercuts the charge of racism.

 This practice may have more to do with gender inequality and patriarchy .


 I would say, though,  that on the whole, Islam  and Christianity are so anxious to expand their

group of believers and followers that they open the gates for a range of potential members. They are constantly  head hunting for

new recruits. One uses Germanic, Nordic and Byzantine icons in the process of recruitment. 


With Judaism and Hinduism there is less of that fascination with numbers, and less anxiety  to grow the organization. 

 Unfortunately, prejudice may also  thrive in such an environment.





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From what I have learned from recent experience there could be Islamic racism.

By what name could you describe a practice in which you could not marry a (Middle Eastern) Moslem lady unless you are a Moslem as some of my adult students have confided in me even though Moslem males could marry from any religion?



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Date: 19/08/2017 01:20 (GMT+00:00)
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Dear Sirs,


Re - the alleged " 3. Islamic racism—Sudan, Morocco"


It is distressing to come across as odious a term as "Islamic racism" (which in my view does not exist) with Sudan and Dear Morocco being touted as statutory examples and perhaps, as per definition, from an Islamic point of view, touted by some infidel/s / non-Muslim/s...


Of course, "racism" is a popular topic of discussion and debate in this forum and so called " Islamic racism" has been previously discussed in this forum.


Those who know anything at all, know that Islam does not believe in racism and certainly does not discriminate in accepting people into its fold - you can come from anywhere and become a Muslim, as long as you belong to the human race.


As to ideal Islam I should like to remind us of the Last Sermon of the last Prophet of Islam sallallahu alaihi wa salaam, in which he said:


"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety " (taqwa) and good action.


In 1991 in Alexandria, I met a few Dinka people from South Sudan from among thousands who had been granted asylum in Egypt.


Last year, I met and conversed with a few of the thousands of Senegalese immigrants in Fez, Rabat, Marrakesh, Casablanca, Essaouira, etc., in Morocco, where they are offered free higher education. And this was before Morocco (happily) rejoined the African Union.


Which does not mean to say that there have not been occasional incidents of racism ( and tribalism) in the whole country, but " Islamic racism", what's that supposed to mean?


I suppose that in referring to what could pass as "Christian racism" and not "Christian charity" it could be pointed out that Mister Hitler was a Catholic, we could also mention the Jesus of Lubeck , the first ship that transported enslaved Africans to the so called "New World", not to mention (in those enslaver days) the floorboards at Elmina Castle in Ghana, separating the Chapel (above) from the slave headquarters (directly below)...


Sincerely said and much more left unsaid,


Cornelius,


We Sweden



On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:26:24 UTC+2, Toyin Falola wrote:
Moderator’s note:
Is this not wishful thinking? You cannot impeach him because he is a racist, unfortunately. Identity politics is far more complicated. 
My take is that the US is lucky because Mr. Trump is not smart, definitely not as smart as fascists before him. Someone is taking note of what he does, and he will do exactly the same thing in the future in a smarter fashionable manner. The illusion of the Left is that the world has changed remarkably to reject:
  1. ethnic divisions—Nigeria is a case in point
  2. fundamentalism along false identity definitions—Burundi, Rwanda
  3. Islamic racism—Sudan, Morocco
  4. Religious—Shiite vs Sunni, etc
  5. Racism—Mr Trump and co.
Mr Trump speaks for millions of people. He does not represent you and I, but he represents “they” where that “they” is opposed to “us"

Toyin Falola
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I agree with bolaji. Do you want to know how many continue to support trump, what percentage of the country fits your description quite well? The polls on 538 show 37.6%, that is 3/8 of the country.
That figure seems not to budge, so it must be his hardcore supporters. 
Those that oppose him are around 56%, with the remaining presumably not caring one way or another. 
That remainder is roughly 6%. So, if that 6% were to break down along the same lines as those for and against him we’d have roughly 40% for him and  60% againswt him. 2/5 vs 3/5. A 

difference of 20%.


I would wish that that huge split would be reflected in the polls, and that congress would change, but it won’t. Moderate and conservative republicans have largely spoken out against trump’s remarks on the racists vs the anti-fascists, and seem broadly to recognize that supporting or equivocating on the white supremacists lies outside the pale.


It is august 16, 2017. Our next elections won’t come till  a year from november. How many voters will still be annoyed against trump by then?

Ken






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If you voted for Trump, maybe you had some economic reason, or some other personal motive for supporting him. I don’t understand it, but perhaps you actually believed his lies. However, if you still support this man after everything that has happened in the last few days and months, you can no longer be excused. You are supporting an overt racist who is in bed with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. That makes you complicit, and yes, a racist.


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My People:

Honestly, it is that simple......non-racists must unite, otherwise the most powerful man in the world will get angrier in a psycophathic rage and detonate a nuclear bomb against North Korea to distract us all.....

In any case, I hope that the red Nuclear button in the White House has already been dummy-fied......I pray so.....



Bolaji Aluko
Shakng his head, disgusted



HUFFINGTON POST 




It Is Time To Impeach The Racist In The White House

Supporting racism, makes you a racist. This is not rocket science.

08/15/2017 06:54 pm ET Updated 7 hours ago
JONATHAN ERNST / REUTERS 

We are in such unchartered territory with this president that it feels as if we are on the brink of a civil war. I am jumping out of my skin at every new tweet, speech and revelation. I feel my anger and fear reaching a fever pitch and I know I am far from alone. If you are not disgusted or devastated by the events in Charlottesville and the president’s unbearable reaction ― particularly what he said Tuesday in that insane news conferencewhen he defended the “alt-right” ― you are on the wrong side of this burgeoning war, and the wrong side of history. “If you’re not outraged,” as Heather Heyer posted on her Facebook page before she was murdered Saturday, “you are not paying attention.”

If you are a politician who still supports Donald Trump, you support a racist and his racist associates and constituents. Therefore you are guilty of supporting racism, which makes you a racist. This is not rocket science.

If you still support this man after everything that has happened in the last few days and months, you can no longer be excused.

If you voted for Trump, maybe you had some economic reason, or some other personal motive for supporting him. I don’t understand it, but perhaps you actually believed his lies. However, if you still support this man after everything that has happened in the last few days and months, you can no longer be excused. You are supporting an overt racist who is in bed with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. That makes you complicit, and yes, a racist.

It is time for Americans to wake the hell up. This is not a drill; this is not something you can put up with as you wait for the president to do something that might actually help Americans.

He will never help Americans. He will never help you.

And if you are black, Muslim, Latino, Jewish, undocumented, liberal, or a journalist, he will hurt you. His justice department has and will continue to work against you, and his support of the supremacists will put your life in danger. His very presence in the White House has already put your life in danger. And he will throw you to the wolves if you don’t fit into the little white boxes that he is so intent on protecting.

Whether you are white or a minority, you can no longer stand on the sidelines. You must stand up for what is right and just and American, and demand the removal of the president of the United States. If you are part of the power structure of this country, i.e. a Republican politician, a corporate giant or a religious leader, you are especially responsible for fighting for country over party, for the progression of human rights over the regressive policies of this White House, for the rights of all of us over your own needs and the wishes of one depraved man who is uniquely unfit to be president.

Hillary Clinton was right when she coined the term “basket of deplorables.” That basket not only exists but it is bursting at the seams and growing louder and angrier. It has been empowered by the deplorable-in-chief elected to run this country. He and his supporters will run this country into the ground if we let them.

We cannot allow this to happen. We must take a page from South Korea and relentlessly take to the streets, by the millions. We must demand daily the ears of our politicians, and we must not let up for a moment until Donald Trump is deemed unfit to be President of the United States and impeached.


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