Saturday, March 31, 2012
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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Chielozona Eze: Kony 2012 and the African Victimhood Complex
i always want to imagine people have agency, under all circumstances, and can see the plusses and minusses of an intervention....and be chary of its benefits. after all, who would want their country invaded by a superpower unless they felt their lives were at stake?
ken
On 3/31/12 7:31 AM, Moses Ochonu wrote:
And, another thing. The Iran analogy is problematic. The Iranian opposition has not crystallized in a way that would necessitate a foreign intervention or give it leverage to call for one. Do you honestly think that if the opposition pushed the envelope to a point where the state unleashed an Assad-like nationwide crackdown and a humanitarian catastrophe unfolded, the opposition members or the beleaguered Iranians would care about the nationality or ideology of the country that intervenes to save them from the murderous onslaught of their rulers?
Sent from my iPad--i like that response too, toyin
and yet, and yet
think about it for a second: my savior, no matter what the ideological color, is welcome?
what if the price for saving me is to kill large numbers of innocent people whom my savior determined were enemies?
an example?
for some time, rockets have been fired from gaza toward southern israel, at times coming into communities and harming people. as we all know, israel attacked gaza in response about a year or so ago, and 1000 palestinians were killed. ten israelis were killed in that operation, some from friendly fire.
anyway, the long history of israeli's conflict with the palestinians has been of that order: the protection of israelis from palestinians has cost the palestinians dearly, and there are a number of israelis for whom the "ideological color" of their "savior" has been too red, shall we say.
similarly, one doesn't hear, even from the syrians in opposition, or the iranians in opposition, much of a push for nato to intervene or for the u.s. to send in the marines. they realize that the color of the ideology would presage a price they couldn't possibly want to pay.
ken
On 3/30/12 9:00 AM, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU wrote:A good one from a response on the Chielo blog
'... at the end of the day the least that one can say is that [the] lot of the victim is so dire that he cannot quibble over the ideological colour of the ladder that will save his life.'
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
ok ikhide, you insisted so i read it. it is fine. i don't disagree. yet it leaves out questions that have troubled me all along.
he says, get rid of the bad baggage--not unlike your continual complaints against white liberal attitudes (why white?? is anything added there? why not American, or global north?)
anyway, it says, keep the issue of alleviating suffering in key cases before our eyes, and don't walk away.
so, who is disagreeing there?
it says, subliminally, "us white guys (ok white there) are the solution, those black guys failed--we have the knowledge, follow us"
i want an open repudiation of colonialist discourses that we are now dubbing the white savior industrial complex discourse, ultimately because it is disempowering to africans, and it means that the only solution comes from Out There, which translates into, go Over There to complete your life's goals since Here has become a Lost Cause.
secondly, there needs to be some awareness that the joint monuc fardc attempt to chase down lra last time cost hundreds of lives, many more than would have been the case had they been ignored.
i don't want to ignore them, i want kony before the dock, but i want someone to acknowledge that simplistic appeals and solutions poorly thought through might cause more damage than the thing you are trying to fix.
as for the AU initiative, i have no idea if it will cause more damage or resolve the situation. maybe no one knows. however, i do know that the thoughtless interventions in sierra leone had prices as high as the damage they were intended to stop. i am talking about ecowas and Weissman, Fabrice, ed. In the Shadow of "Just Wars where he shows that the horrors wrought by Charles Taylor (thanks Ghaddafi) were matched by the forces arrayed against him, including ecowas.
lastly, as the last email i sent concerning the continuing crisis in e congo shows, there have been more than 100, 000 people displaced in s kivu in recent fighting, in recent attacks, none by the lra.
so we can swat that mosquito, which is what the lra has now become, while continuing to ignore the elephant in the room, which is the damage wrought by the on-going trade for minerals, guns, in the region, which is made possible by the very people the KONY2012 video asks to fix the problem.
made possible how? how about more than a billion dollars worth of illegally mined gold passing through uganda last year. uganda would love to be asked to take care of the lra as long as everyone continues to ignore the greater ravages it bears responsibility for.
and none of the above even mentions their actions towards the acholi
ken
On 3/30/12 5:15 AM, Ikhide wrote:--Please, whatever you do, take time out to read Professor Chielozona Eze's perspective on the Invisible Children's KONY 2012 video. Eze, who himself survived Biafra as a child looks at the critics of the KONY 2012 video coolly in the eyes and tells them a few truth. This one is a must read. Please read and share. And while you are on his blog, subscribe to it. Eze is one of Africa's quiet literary revolutionaries, promoting the literature of Africa, one blogpost at a time. Applause. Read and share please. The world must hear of the atrocities going on in Africa while Western liberals and many African intellectuals overdose on navel-gazing.
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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Chielozona Eze: Kony 2012 and the African Victimhood Complex
ken
On 3/31/12 6:46 AM, Moses Ochonu wrote:
One inaccuracy in your post, Ken. The Syrian opposition has been calling on foreign countries (in fact America, Britain and other Western countries) to intervene militarily to stop Assad. They have been doing so in both print and electronic media interviews. I read and heard these calls myself in the early days of the revolution and Assad's crackdown. The call for Western military intervention by the Syrian opposition intensified during the siege and bombardment of Homs and Baba Mir. In fact I distinctly recall hearing one opposition figure say that they didn't care about who would save them from Assad, especially since the military asymmetry between the revolutionaries and Assad's forces was huge, since a humanitarian crisis was unfolding and an international consensus on intervention proved elusive due to Russian and Chinese dithering. The opposition figure was answering a question put to him by a Western journalist about whether he was not concerned about the backlash and consequences of a Western military intervention. Throughout the struggle, I have heard members of the Syrian opposition in exile and at home--even opposition fighters on Syrian streets---call for military intervention by Western countries, especially America. Many of them invoked Libya as both a precedent and a model of how to do such an intervention without an occupation that would unleash unpalatable consequences afterward.
Sent from my iPad--i like that response too, toyin
and yet, and yet
think about it for a second: my savior, no matter what the ideological color, is welcome?
what if the price for saving me is to kill large numbers of innocent people whom my savior determined were enemies?
an example?
for some time, rockets have been fired from gaza toward southern israel, at times coming into communities and harming people. as we all know, israel attacked gaza in response about a year or so ago, and 1000 palestinians were killed. ten israelis were killed in that operation, some from friendly fire.
anyway, the long history of israeli's conflict with the palestinians has been of that order: the protection of israelis from palestinians has cost the palestinians dearly, and there are a number of israelis for whom the "ideological color" of their "savior" has been too red, shall we say.
similarly, one doesn't hear, even from the syrians in opposition, or the iranians in opposition, much of a push for nato to intervene or for the u.s. to send in the marines. they realize that the color of the ideology would presage a price they couldn't possibly want to pay.
ken
On 3/30/12 9:00 AM, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU wrote:A good one from a response on the Chielo blog
'... at the end of the day the least that one can say is that [the] lot of the victim is so dire that he cannot quibble over the ideological colour of the ladder that will save his life.'
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
ok ikhide, you insisted so i read it. it is fine. i don't disagree. yet it leaves out questions that have troubled me all along.
he says, get rid of the bad baggage--not unlike your continual complaints against white liberal attitudes (why white?? is anything added there? why not American, or global north?)
anyway, it says, keep the issue of alleviating suffering in key cases before our eyes, and don't walk away.
so, who is disagreeing there?
it says, subliminally, "us white guys (ok white there) are the solution, those black guys failed--we have the knowledge, follow us"
i want an open repudiation of colonialist discourses that we are now dubbing the white savior industrial complex discourse, ultimately because it is disempowering to africans, and it means that the only solution comes from Out There, which translates into, go Over There to complete your life's goals since Here has become a Lost Cause.
secondly, there needs to be some awareness that the joint monuc fardc attempt to chase down lra last time cost hundreds of lives, many more than would have been the case had they been ignored.
i don't want to ignore them, i want kony before the dock, but i want someone to acknowledge that simplistic appeals and solutions poorly thought through might cause more damage than the thing you are trying to fix.
as for the AU initiative, i have no idea if it will cause more damage or resolve the situation. maybe no one knows. however, i do know that the thoughtless interventions in sierra leone had prices as high as the damage they were intended to stop. i am talking about ecowas and Weissman, Fabrice, ed. In the Shadow of "Just Wars where he shows that the horrors wrought by Charles Taylor (thanks Ghaddafi) were matched by the forces arrayed against him, including ecowas.
lastly, as the last email i sent concerning the continuing crisis in e congo shows, there have been more than 100, 000 people displaced in s kivu in recent fighting, in recent attacks, none by the lra.
so we can swat that mosquito, which is what the lra has now become, while continuing to ignore the elephant in the room, which is the damage wrought by the on-going trade for minerals, guns, in the region, which is made possible by the very people the KONY2012 video asks to fix the problem.
made possible how? how about more than a billion dollars worth of illegally mined gold passing through uganda last year. uganda would love to be asked to take care of the lra as long as everyone continues to ignore the greater ravages it bears responsibility for.
and none of the above even mentions their actions towards the acholi
ken
On 3/30/12 5:15 AM, Ikhide wrote:--Please, whatever you do, take time out to read Professor Chielozona Eze's perspective on the Invisible Children's KONY 2012 video. Eze, who himself survived Biafra as a child looks at the critics of the KONY 2012 video coolly in the eyes and tells them a few truth. This one is a must read. Please read and share. And while you are on his blog, subscribe to it. Eze is one of Africa's quiet literary revolutionaries, promoting the literature of Africa, one blogpost at a time. Applause. Read and share please. The world must hear of the atrocities going on in Africa while Western liberals and many African intellectuals overdose on navel-gazing.
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RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final EssayOn Mwalimu Toyin Falola
> [Original Message]
> From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu>
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Date: 3/31/2012 1:34:26 PM
> Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final EssayOn Mwalimu Toyin Falola
>
> 'I will seek to delineate and analyze the linguistic Deixis, Implicatures, Presuppositions, and Speech Acts in the oriki.'
>
> ... sounds pretty esoteric to me but them I am only a historian.
>
>
> GE
>
> ________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abdul Bangura [theai@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:58 PM
> To: USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final Essay On Mwalimu Toyin Falola
>
>
> Call for Assistance on My Final Essay on Mwalimu Toyin Falola
>
> Good Greetings USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members:
>
> I pray that your semester is going very well. I also pray to Allah/God (SWT) to bless abundantly the many wonderful USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members who have been very generous in providing me with their assistance in writing two essays on Mwalimu Toyin Falola's work: (1) "Fractal Complexity in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's A Mouth Sweeter then Salt: A Pluridisciplinary Exploration of Cultural Power" and (2) "Religious Tolerance in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's Work: Intercultural Philosophical Correspondences in the Classic Allegory of The Parable of the Three Rings."
>
> I now come to the Family Members to ask for assistance for my final essay on Mwalimu Falola's work, at least for now. The essay is tentatively titled "A Pragmatic Linguistic Analysis of Mwalimu Falola's Oriki (praise name) Ishola." I have copied the oriki below. In this lengthy essay I will seek to delineate and analyze the linguistic Deixis, Implicatures, Presuppositions, and Speech Acts in the oriki.
>
> I am therefore calling upon our Yoruba Linguists Family Members to help me with a few deep structure aspects of the oriki. If you can help, please send me a private E-mail to theai@earthlink.net<mailto:theai@earthlink.net>. Thanks a heap in advance for your good help.
>
> In Peace Always,
> Abdul Karim Bangura/.
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> Isola
>
> Isola, the scion of Agbo
> He who dreams daily of wealth
> He who thinks daily of the good things of life
> Isola, the scion of Agbo
> Isola, spring to your feet
>
> The guinea fowl flies up as free as the air
> The woodpecker taps the tree with a rattling sound
> Isola, heights never make the monkey lose his breath
> Isola, the scion of Agbo (Falola, 2005:163-164).
>
>
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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final EssayOn Mwalimu Toyin Falola
----- Original Message -----From: OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJUSent: 3/31/2012 3:55:08 PMSubject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final EssayOn Mwalimu Toyin FalolaA beautiful oriki, Yoruba priase poem.
If you have not seen Karen Babers I Could Speak Until Tomorrow, :Oriki, Women and the Past in a Yoruba Town you would find it useful. I get the impression its a fantastic book. This impressive Amazon review gives an idea of it.
Also very good in animal imagery is Babalola's work on Ijala, Yoruba hunter's poetry.
I particularly like the last stanza, and particularly the first two lines. The poet does not explicitly connect those animal referents with Falola, whether through a metaphor or a simile, but lets the third line do the job, as Falola becomes the monkey whom heights never make lose his breath, scaling with determination and dexterity the tree of knowledge, inhabiting its dizzying upper reaches, at ease in those elevated zones as a person at rest in his living room, as the epithets spiral back upwards, to the guinea fowl flying high in the air, the scholar soaring in the space configured by forms of knowledge, the expanse reshaped moment by moment through the forms of thought, practically infinite in its possibilities, the woodpecker tapping the tree with a rattling sound... does the sound of Fashola's scholarly tapping on the tree of knowledge not reach throughout the world, the tree that reaches from its roots in human exploration to the abyss of cosmic possibilities, ?
thanks
toyin
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu> wrote:
'I will seek to delineate and analyze the linguistic Deixis, Implicatures, Presuppositions, and Speech Acts in the oriki.'
... sounds pretty esoteric to me but them I am only a historian.
GE
________________________________
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abdul Bangura [theai@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:58 PM
To: USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final Essay On Mwalimu Toyin Falola
I am therefore calling upon our Yoruba Linguists Family Members to help me with a few deep structure aspects of the oriki. If you can help, please send me a private E-mail to theai@earthlink.net<mailto:theai@earthlink.net>. Thanks a heap in advance for your good help.
Call for Assistance on My Final Essay on Mwalimu Toyin Falola
Good Greetings USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members:
I pray that your semester is going very well. I also pray to Allah/God (SWT) to bless abundantly the many wonderful USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members who have been very generous in providing me with their assistance in writing two essays on Mwalimu Toyin Falola's work: (1) "Fractal Complexity in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's A Mouth Sweeter then Salt: A Pluridisciplinary Exploration of Cultural Power" and (2) "Religious Tolerance in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's Work: Intercultural Philosophical Correspondences in the Classic Allegory of The Parable of the Three Rings."
I now come to the Family Members to ask for assistance for my final essay on Mwalimu Falola's work, at least for now. The essay is tentatively titled "A Pragmatic Linguistic Analysis of Mwalimu Falola's Oriki (praise name) Ishola." I have copied the oriki below. In this lengthy essay I will seek to delineate and analyze the linguistic Deixis, Implicatures, Presuppositions, and Speech Acts in the oriki.
In Peace Always,
Abdul Karim Bangura/.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Isola
Isola, the scion of Agbo
He who dreams daily of wealth
He who thinks daily of the good things of life
Isola, the scion of Agbo
Isola, spring to your feet
The guinea fowl flies up as free as the air
The woodpecker taps the tree with a rattling sound
Isola, heights never make the monkey lose his breath
Isola, the scion of Agbo (Falola, 2005:163-164).
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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final Essay On Mwalimu Toyin Falola
If you have not seen Karen Babers I Could Speak Until Tomorrow, :Oriki, Women and the Past in a Yoruba Town you would find it useful. I get the impression its a fantastic book. This impressive Amazon review gives an idea of it.
Also very good in animal imagery is Babalola's work on Ijala, Yoruba hunter's poetry.
I particularly like the last stanza, and particularly the first two lines. The poet does not explicitly connect those animal referents with Falola, whether through a metaphor or a simile, but lets the third line do the job, as Falola becomes the monkey whom heights never make lose his breath, scaling with determination and dexterity the tree of knowledge, inhabiting its dizzying upper reaches, at ease in those elevated zones as a person at rest in his living room, as the epithets spiral back upwards, to the guinea fowl flying high in the air, the scholar soaring in the space configured by forms of knowledge, the expanse reshaped moment by moment through the forms of thought, practically infinite in its possibilities, the woodpecker tapping the tree with a rattling sound... does the sound of Fashola's scholarly tapping on the tree of knowledge not reach throughout the world, the tree that reaches from its roots in human exploration to the abyss of cosmic possibilities, ?
thanks
toyin
'I will seek to delineate and analyze the linguistic Deixis, Implicatures, Presuppositions, and Speech Acts in the oriki.'
... sounds pretty esoteric to me but them I am only a historian.
GE
________________________________
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abdul Bangura [theai@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:58 PM
To: USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final Essay On Mwalimu Toyin Falola
I am therefore calling upon our Yoruba Linguists Family Members to help me with a few deep structure aspects of the oriki. If you can help, please send me a private E-mail to theai@earthlink.net<mailto:theai@earthlink.net>. Thanks a heap in advance for your good help.
Call for Assistance on My Final Essay on Mwalimu Toyin Falola
Good Greetings USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members:
I pray that your semester is going very well. I also pray to Allah/God (SWT) to bless abundantly the many wonderful USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members who have been very generous in providing me with their assistance in writing two essays on Mwalimu Toyin Falola's work: (1) "Fractal Complexity in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's A Mouth Sweeter then Salt: A Pluridisciplinary Exploration of Cultural Power" and (2) "Religious Tolerance in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's Work: Intercultural Philosophical Correspondences in the Classic Allegory of The Parable of the Three Rings."
I now come to the Family Members to ask for assistance for my final essay on Mwalimu Falola's work, at least for now. The essay is tentatively titled "A Pragmatic Linguistic Analysis of Mwalimu Falola's Oriki (praise name) Ishola." I have copied the oriki below. In this lengthy essay I will seek to delineate and analyze the linguistic Deixis, Implicatures, Presuppositions, and Speech Acts in the oriki.
In Peace Always,
Abdul Karim Bangura/.
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Isola
Isola, the scion of Agbo
He who dreams daily of wealth
He who thinks daily of the good things of life
Isola, the scion of Agbo
Isola, spring to your feet
The guinea fowl flies up as free as the air
The woodpecker taps the tree with a rattling sound
Isola, heights never make the monkey lose his breath
Isola, the scion of Agbo (Falola, 2005:163-164).
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USA Africa Dialogue Series - Happy Birthday to Alhaji Bola Ahmed Tinubu, All N1 Billion of it!
Here are pictures of ordinary Nigerians scrambling for food remnants at the party. Let them eat cake crumbs!
Many "African intellectuals" have been busy feeding off this odious trough. Evidence #1: "Let's all see by 6:00 pm today at Shell Hall, Muson Centre, Onikan Lagos for the performance of the showpiece dance drama on Nigeria's history, NIGERIA THE BEAUTIFUL, written by Odia Ofeimun and directed by Felix Okolo, as a 60th birthday present for Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu."
Facebook announcement for a gig last Thursday by Uzor Maxim Uzoatu on behalf of prominent artists ;-)
RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Call For Assitance On My Final Essay On Mwalimu Toyin Falola
... sounds pretty esoteric to me but them I am only a historian.
GE
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Call for Assistance on My Final Essay on Mwalimu Toyin Falola
Good Greetings USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members:
I pray that your semester is going very well. I also pray to Allah/God (SWT) to bless abundantly the many wonderful USA-Africa Dialogue Family Members who have been very generous in providing me with their assistance in writing two essays on Mwalimu Toyin Falola's work: (1) "Fractal Complexity in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's A Mouth Sweeter then Salt: A Pluridisciplinary Exploration of Cultural Power" and (2) "Religious Tolerance in Mwalimu Toyin Falola's Work: Intercultural Philosophical Correspondences in the Classic Allegory of The Parable of the Three Rings."
I now come to the Family Members to ask for assistance for my final essay on Mwalimu Falola's work, at least for now. The essay is tentatively titled "A Pragmatic Linguistic Analysis of Mwalimu Falola's Oriki (praise name) Ishola." I have copied the oriki below. In this lengthy essay I will seek to delineate and analyze the linguistic Deixis, Implicatures, Presuppositions, and Speech Acts in the oriki.
I am therefore calling upon our Yoruba Linguists Family Members to help me with a few deep structure aspects of the oriki. If you can help, please send me a private E-mail to theai@earthlink.net<mailto:theai@earthlink.net>. Thanks a heap in advance for your good help.
In Peace Always,
Abdul Karim Bangura/.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Isola
Isola, the scion of Agbo
He who dreams daily of wealth
He who thinks daily of the good things of life
Isola, the scion of Agbo
Isola, spring to your feet
The guinea fowl flies up as free as the air
The woodpecker taps the tree with a rattling sound
Isola, heights never make the monkey lose his breath
Isola, the scion of Agbo (Falola, 2005:163-164).
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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Chielozona Eze: Kony 2012 and the African Victimhood Complex
True, some Israelis publicly distance themselves from or even actively fight against such aspects of Israeli strategy.
As Moses points out though, the Syrian opposition has been calling for help. If I remember well, voices from besieged Homs made such a call, like that made from once besieged Benghazi, leading to the imposition of the NATO no fly zone in relation to Benghazi. . I dont recall Hams being given such assistance as requested.
The Agency of the Helper and the Agency of the Helped
Some conflicts, though, may also be better understood in terms of the agency of those being helped as well as that of the helper.
The Nigerian Civil War Biafran situation that Chielo references is one such.
This situation presents a complex one that necessitates examination of not only the agenda of the helper but the agency of the person being helped.
To what degree is that assistance guiding the person being helped to a realistic understanding of and response to their circumstances and to what degree does it blind them to such an appreciation?
Within this context, the picture is one in which the person being helped is not always passive but may also represent groups who can be described as managing such help in ways that are of controversial benefit to other groups within their ranks.
The Question of Choice Among the Roads Open to Biafra from the Fall of Port-Harcourt in 1968
Chielo states that fellow Nigerians had condemned people like himself, starving Biafrans, to death.
In that context, therefore, he states, would he care about the ideological color of those who came to save him and enable him to remain alive to write about this incident?
On the other hand, it has been stated by at least one Western source that relief into Biafra prolonged the war and the suffering of the Biafrans.
It has been argued that Biafra was effectively defeated by the fall of Port Harcourt in 1968, at which point the entire South East, where Biafra had become localised, was surrounded by Federal troops.
Biafra was greatly handicapped in terms of equipment and personnel. Mobilizing the resources to break out of the bottleneck in the landlocked Igbo region where the fighting had become concentrated would have been a miracle. It was inevitable that food would run out, with disastrous consequences.
It may be argued that carefully negotiated surrender was the wisest choice at that point.
Yet, Biafra fought on till 1970 in which period the iconic image of the starving Biafran child was born.
It has been argued by various insiders within Biafra that the ideological victory of the more belligerent Biafran leaders was what continued to fuel the war from the Biafran side.
This fueling was sustained by a very successful propaganda system sustaining Biafra's moral imperative as crafted by its leaders, invoking sympathy in the eyes of both Biafrans and the outside world and attracting military assistance.
Meanwhile, as far as I can see, the stubborn geographical and strategic realities of the war were not addressed in terms of their desperate seriousness.
A central feature of the rationale to keep fighting from within Biafra was the notion that extermination was the price of surrender, a fear sustained by anti-Igbo pogroms in the Midwest and Asaba, of those I am certain of, and Federal attacks on Biafran civilians.
Were such fears in the event of surrender not better managed in the context of a peace treaty brokered by the various countries that arbitrated at various times in the conflict? Does the fact that the anticipated exterminations never took place at war's end in 1970 not suggest that the extermination fear might have been overplayed to the detriment of those who suffered the brunt of an unsustainable secession, civilians and rank and file soldiers?
The question in a situation like this is-not only what is the ideological colour of the helper but the effect on the psyche of the person being helped, an effect shaped by the ideological colour of the person being helped, the Biafran leadership and the effect of that ideology and the help being given on the majority of Biafrans.
Is it true that Biafran relief helped to sustain the illusion that Biafra was still a viable option from 1968?
Is the idea of no relief in the name of avoiding sustaining the illusion of a successful secession from 1968 a humanitarian option?
Is it not more humane to provide aid while pressing for a diplomatic solution?
If external initiative is to be credited for sustaining the illusion of the chances of Biafra is it not the aid of Carl Gustav von Rosen in what as described as brief revival of the hitherto moribund Bifran air force?
thanks
toyin
And, another thing. The Iran analogy is problematic. The Iranian opposition has not crystallized in a way that would necessitate a foreign intervention or give it leverage to call for one. Do you honestly think that if the opposition pushed the envelope to a point where the state unleashed an Assad-like nationwide crackdown and a humanitarian catastrophe unfolded, the opposition members or the beleaguered Iranians would care about the nationality or ideology of the country that intervenes to save them from the murderous onslaught of their rulers?
Sent from my iPadi like that response too, toyin
and yet, and yet
think about it for a second: my savior, no matter what the ideological color, is welcome?
what if the price for saving me is to kill large numbers of innocent people whom my savior determined were enemies?
an example?
for some time, rockets have been fired from gaza toward southern israel, at times coming into communities and harming people. as we all know, israel attacked gaza in response about a year or so ago, and 1000 palestinians were killed. ten israelis were killed in that operation, some from friendly fire.
anyway, the long history of israeli's conflict with the palestinians has been of that order: the protection of israelis from palestinians has cost the palestinians dearly, and there are a number of israelis for whom the "ideological color" of their "savior" has been too red, shall we say.
similarly, one doesn't hear, even from the syrians in opposition, or the iranians in opposition, much of a push for nato to intervene or for the u.s. to send in the marines. they realize that the color of the ideology would presage a price they couldn't possibly want to pay.
ken
On 3/30/12 9:00 AM, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU wrote:A good one from a response on the Chielo blog
'... at the end of the day the least that one can say is that [the] lot of the victim is so dire that he cannot quibble over the ideological colour of the ladder that will save his life.'
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
ok ikhide, you insisted so i read it. it is fine. i don't disagree. yet it leaves out questions that have troubled me all along.
he says, get rid of the bad baggage--not unlike your continual complaints against white liberal attitudes (why white?? is anything added there? why not American, or global north?)
anyway, it says, keep the issue of alleviating suffering in key cases before our eyes, and don't walk away.
so, who is disagreeing there?
it says, subliminally, "us white guys (ok white there) are the solution, those black guys failed--we have the knowledge, follow us"
i want an open repudiation of colonialist discourses that we are now dubbing the white savior industrial complex discourse, ultimately because it is disempowering to africans, and it means that the only solution comes from Out There, which translates into, go Over There to complete your life's goals since Here has become a Lost Cause.
secondly, there needs to be some awareness that the joint monuc fardc attempt to chase down lra last time cost hundreds of lives, many more than would have been the case had they been ignored.
i don't want to ignore them, i want kony before the dock, but i want someone to acknowledge that simplistic appeals and solutions poorly thought through might cause more damage than the thing you are trying to fix.
as for the AU initiative, i have no idea if it will cause more damage or resolve the situation. maybe no one knows. however, i do know that the thoughtless interventions in sierra leone had prices as high as the damage they were intended to stop. i am talking about ecowas and Weissman, Fabrice, ed. In the Shadow of "Just Wars where he shows that the horrors wrought by Charles Taylor (thanks Ghaddafi) were matched by the forces arrayed against him, including ecowas.
lastly, as the last email i sent concerning the continuing crisis in e congo shows, there have been more than 100, 000 people displaced in s kivu in recent fighting, in recent attacks, none by the lra.
so we can swat that mosquito, which is what the lra has now become, while continuing to ignore the elephant in the room, which is the damage wrought by the on-going trade for minerals, guns, in the region, which is made possible by the very people the KONY2012 video asks to fix the problem.
made possible how? how about more than a billion dollars worth of illegally mined gold passing through uganda last year. uganda would love to be asked to take care of the lra as long as everyone continues to ignore the greater ravages it bears responsibility for.
and none of the above even mentions their actions towards the acholi
ken
On 3/30/12 5:15 AM, Ikhide wrote:--Please, whatever you do, take time out to read Professor Chielozona Eze's perspective on the Invisible Children's KONY 2012 video. Eze, who himself survived Biafra as a child looks at the critics of the KONY 2012 video coolly in the eyes and tells them a few truth. This one is a must read. Please read and share. And while you are on his blog, subscribe to it. Eze is one of Africa's quiet literary revolutionaries, promoting the literature of Africa, one blogpost at a time. Applause. Read and share please. The world must hear of the atrocities going on in Africa while Western liberals and many African intellectuals overdose on navel-gazing.
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USA Africa Dialogue Series - The Inter Parliamentary Union broadcast live on Early Life Radio
Early Life Radio is streaming live the 126th Assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) taking place from the 31st March to 5th April 2012.
About 1,200 participants, comprising of approximately 650 MPs from over 120 parliaments and representatives from regional parliaments, international organizations and observers, are expected to attend the Assembly, which is to focus on the overall theme of Parliaments and people: Bridging the gap
All the plenary sittings will all be held at the Kampala Serena Conference Centre in the Victoria Hall
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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Chielozona Eze: Kony 2012 and the African Victimhood Complex
Sent from my iPad
i like that response too, toyin
and yet, and yet
think about it for a second: my savior, no matter what the ideological color, is welcome?
what if the price for saving me is to kill large numbers of innocent people whom my savior determined were enemies?
an example?
for some time, rockets have been fired from gaza toward southern israel, at times coming into communities and harming people. as we all know, israel attacked gaza in response about a year or so ago, and 1000 palestinians were killed. ten israelis were killed in that operation, some from friendly fire.
anyway, the long history of israeli's conflict with the palestinians has been of that order: the protection of israelis from palestinians has cost the palestinians dearly, and there are a number of israelis for whom the "ideological color" of their "savior" has been too red, shall we say.
similarly, one doesn't hear, even from the syrians in opposition, or the iranians in opposition, much of a push for nato to intervene or for the u.s. to send in the marines. they realize that the color of the ideology would presage a price they couldn't possibly want to pay.
ken
On 3/30/12 9:00 AM, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU wrote:A good one from a response on the Chielo blog
'... at the end of the day the least that one can say is that [the] lot of the victim is so dire that he cannot quibble over the ideological colour of the ladder that will save his life.'
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
ok ikhide, you insisted so i read it. it is fine. i don't disagree. yet it leaves out questions that have troubled me all along.
he says, get rid of the bad baggage--not unlike your continual complaints against white liberal attitudes (why white?? is anything added there? why not American, or global north?)
anyway, it says, keep the issue of alleviating suffering in key cases before our eyes, and don't walk away.
so, who is disagreeing there?
it says, subliminally, "us white guys (ok white there) are the solution, those black guys failed--we have the knowledge, follow us"
i want an open repudiation of colonialist discourses that we are now dubbing the white savior industrial complex discourse, ultimately because it is disempowering to africans, and it means that the only solution comes from Out There, which translates into, go Over There to complete your life's goals since Here has become a Lost Cause.
secondly, there needs to be some awareness that the joint monuc fardc attempt to chase down lra last time cost hundreds of lives, many more than would have been the case had they been ignored.
i don't want to ignore them, i want kony before the dock, but i want someone to acknowledge that simplistic appeals and solutions poorly thought through might cause more damage than the thing you are trying to fix.
as for the AU initiative, i have no idea if it will cause more damage or resolve the situation. maybe no one knows. however, i do know that the thoughtless interventions in sierra leone had prices as high as the damage they were intended to stop. i am talking about ecowas and Weissman, Fabrice, ed. In the Shadow of "Just Wars where he shows that the horrors wrought by Charles Taylor (thanks Ghaddafi) were matched by the forces arrayed against him, including ecowas.
lastly, as the last email i sent concerning the continuing crisis in e congo shows, there have been more than 100, 000 people displaced in s kivu in recent fighting, in recent attacks, none by the lra.
so we can swat that mosquito, which is what the lra has now become, while continuing to ignore the elephant in the room, which is the damage wrought by the on-going trade for minerals, guns, in the region, which is made possible by the very people the KONY2012 video asks to fix the problem.
made possible how? how about more than a billion dollars worth of illegally mined gold passing through uganda last year. uganda would love to be asked to take care of the lra as long as everyone continues to ignore the greater ravages it bears responsibility for.
and none of the above even mentions their actions towards the acholi
ken
On 3/30/12 5:15 AM, Ikhide wrote:--Please, whatever you do, take time out to read Professor Chielozona Eze's perspective on the Invisible Children's KONY 2012 video. Eze, who himself survived Biafra as a child looks at the critics of the KONY 2012 video coolly in the eyes and tells them a few truth. This one is a must read. Please read and share. And while you are on his blog, subscribe to it. Eze is one of Africa's quiet literary revolutionaries, promoting the literature of Africa, one blogpost at a time. Applause. Read and share please. The world must hear of the atrocities going on in Africa while Western liberals and many African intellectuals overdose on navel-gazing.
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