Thursday, February 28, 2019

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Justice Does Not Live Here Anymore (Poem)

Though famously the title of a famous work by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o, I cannot help saying "Weep not child" to you, Chidi, for there was never justice in that land, in the first place! If I am wrong, tell me an era when political JUSTICE prevailed in that land. Take consolation in the fact that the present merely represents a continuation of the past--a past filled with tears of the children of God who were continually robbed of political justice.


On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:54 PM Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:
By Chidi Anthony Opara

Let me say my say now
That the tide have ebbed,
Now that the cacophony
Of celebration of thievery
Have ceased,
Now that the halt
Of the people's march
To the dignity of choice
Have become history.
Let me say my say now.

On this land
Peace is an indigent damsel,
Too indigent
To cover her half-nakedness.
She is continually raped
By horny hooligans
Hired by the overlords,
Complacency 
Blames her for the rapes.

Complacency
Have chased away
That old blind woman,
Who dispensed judgments
Without fear or favour.
Justice
Does not live here anymore.

(Poem presented as social service, all rights reserved)


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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us TrytheLottery System

What that is  being described here is rather very similar to the Machiavellian principle that views the workings of a society same as a guided missile. The problems is that the missile finally explodes somewhere-within the society. 

For each nation, there is usually something that every member of the society can rally around. Call it freedom, sense of some national accomplishment or national history and so on.

Even Italy-that can rally around behaving like a Roman when in Rome-at this time knows that it is good for a leader to be aware of the Machiavellian principle, however, it cannot be the guiding principle of a nation. 

In a country like Nigeria, the Machiavellian principle will not work on the long run. 

There must be a core system of governance that everyone respects and can easily adhere to. 

In my opinion it will rest on a very weak central government with firm but simple and transparent guidelines.

The different units will then be free to practice whatever system of governance that works for them.

This can easily include, Sharia, Ifa, Ohacracy, and others, and finding a way to make each accountable to the center and respectful of the will of the others.

Something that every Nigerian can be proud of.


Ogedi


On Feb 28, 2019, at 1:39 PM, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well Ifa divination is a holistic system. You will not be able to ' divine' how or why it works as an outsider any more than I can.  But just as you discovered I some how know it works.  Those who want to attack the system uphold the practices of quacks as representative of the system in order to denounce the system in favour of theirs.  Total immersion is the only means of full appreciation.

Boko Haram is the result of societal misunderstanding as Alagba Kadiri once carefully analysed.  But once Those who wanted to profit politically  from the embers of hate seized on it the whole nation was imperiled.  That was why ' the stone which the builder rejected ( Buhari) became the head of the cornerstone'

Those who felt Jonathan was shortchanged.have to choose between retaining Jonathan and losing the nation the way events were stacked.  It has nothing to do with the incapability of Jonathan  (for whom I have a lot of respect as a member of the intellectual class) as a person or leader.  It's just to do with the political implications of retaining him there given the political implications and implosions for the country.

Put it this way if Murtala Mohammed had been head of state when the Biafran war started as opposed to General Gowon a Christian Biafra would have succeeded.  The general sentiment of the swathe of northern geography would ensure Nigeria did not win the war against Boko Haram ifcJonathan was not voted out but it would have degenerated to a nasty unwinnable religious war to cover the inequities of northern political crooks who do not want to face justice under the concept of Nigeria.

The system and process I referred to encapsulates how others saw the ruse used the time tested Yoruba method of solving similar problems encapsulated in the saying 'eniti ti ko ni je ka je ka yo aa ko ti e mo yan ni'  ( The needs of he who would scheme to make sure we never attained self satisfaction are always taken care of as part of the general strategic planning.)

The real reason for northern  political crooks seizing the Boko Haram imbroglio to destabilize the whole country rested on the commission or omission which resulted in prominent members of the region not making appreciable  progress in rulership at the centre since the post Junec12 civilian dispensation.  It was easy for the generality of northerners to see this and for any northern crooked demagogue to exploit this for selfish gains.  The process of reversing the trend is what I referred to as ' system'  The system is the self abnegatiin in favour of ' the other's to realise a higher ideal: continued Nigerian nationhood.

The first step is to admit their is a lapse. The second is to put in place a corrective process:  this was where the human agencies of the Save  Nigeria Group, Bola Tinubu et al come in. They all function in a system of restitution ( of national order and the concomitant economic order)   The restitution began with the SNG asking the North (as Osinbajo confirmed) to submit any individual they deem capable to rule and the SW would provide the necessary demographic backing just to ensure that the message is sent across clearly that the SW does not subscribe to and is not involved in any scheme to permanently keep the North out of power at the centre.  You must recall that Obasanjo ruled as civilian president following similar moves by the North as a result of the fall out of June 12.

  He must be someone capable of ensuring the goal of sanitizing the society is never lost while providing the ethnic rallying point of reversing the gains of Boko Haram through a falsely ethnicized war.  This was what propelled the candidature of Buhari to the forefront. ( Osinbajo in view of his evangelical credentials need not be told of any Ifa consultation and where the originary roots of the ideas came from.)

OAA



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Date: 28/02/2019 13:07 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us TrytheLottery  System

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rich information on Yoruba kingship selection, Olayinka.

vital for record keeping and research.

i have a no of experiences with divination that suggests it can work-one of these being a spontaneous intuitive future foretelling of mine which turned out accurate. im still trying to understand why it occurred at the time it did.

various views exist as to divination's possible  validity and the reason for that.

even then, i dont consult diviners. im not keen on entrusting my life to a system used by someone else and the inner workings of which i cannot understand and verify. i prefer  to develop such abilities myself.

what you wrote on boko haram is rather cryptic. what do you mean by 'the system'.

thanks

toyin

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 22:29, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Toy in.

The Yoruba federated monarchy unlike other models the world over does not attach invariable importance to premogeniture when considerating succession to the throne.  The first born of any king does not invariably succeed them.

When the late Sijuade was to be enthroned I was in Ile- Ife and to the best of my knowledge this system was used to elect him.  Supporters of a close contestant who was not selected felt their candidate lost out because he was not rich but a teacher.  None was able to substantiate the fact any Ifa priest or kingmaker was bribed.

When Iku Baba Yeye Alafin Adeyemi  was elected and enthroned many of us were caught unawares because we never knew of his existence before the process began.  He was not one of the popular princes.  Yet the Oyo Mesi and the Ifa priests did their job meticulously and  sought him from his ensconcement outside the O yo metropolis 

When my late in law Richard Makanjuola was chosen as Owa Ooye of Imesi Ile 2 decades later this system was used.  When my mothers uncle the late Fasusi was consulted to be included in the process he politely turned down the request.

OAA



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Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system." 

I would like to know.

Buhari won in 2015   bcs he was backed by the  Tinubu led faction who control the SW  along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with  the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting  the GEJ govt.

The SW Tinubu led faction and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ   backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition,  would give them entry into Aso Rock.

Buhari's popularity was decisively  demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.

He has built  that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a  coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning  himself with the right wing, ethno/religious  values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies  represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that   Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation  and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.

Buhari has won in 2019  bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership  which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani,  the support of the  SW Tinubu led faction who control the SW    with the region  openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down PDP  votes in Lagos through thugs disrupting elections or destroying ballot papers in expected PDP strongholds, incidents reported  by eye witnesses and documented in on the spot videos,  manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, alo reported by eye witnesses, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses-  and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North. 


thanks

toyin


On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 18:38, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system." 

I would like to know.

Buhari won in 2015   bcs he was backed by the  SW Tinubu led faction     along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with  the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting  the GEJ govt.

The SW Tinubu led faction  and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ   backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition,  would give them entry into Aso Rock.

Buhari's popularity was decisively  demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.

He has built  that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a  coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning  himself with the right wing, ethno/religious  values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies  represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that   Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation  and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.

Buhari has won in 2019  bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership  which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani,  the support of the  SW Tinubu led faction    who have been openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down Igbo votes in Lagos through thugs, manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses-  and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North. 


thanks

toyin





On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 16:54, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear All.

The lottery system bodes no goodwill if implemented.  It is not for nothing that the Yoruba system opine ' A kii f' ologbob sile ka fi omugo j'oba': we do not bypass the sagaciousvto enthrone the witless.

It is true that those qualified do not often let the nation benefit from their qualifications; we have debated this issue on this forum and put the blame squarely at the feet of the warped value system of capitalist presidential system that undercuts its own goals of giving an appropriate  answer to the philosophical questions: what is a good society and who is a successful citizen of a good society.

The answer to these questions  which has not spared the Christian evangelical society for example is: they that can demonstrate material success especially with superlative acquisition of wealth;  the more the merrier.  Hence religious leaders count God's blessing before congregation by the provision of sleek Mercedes limousines and the  private jetsetting pastor.  And we wonder why electiins are rigged and are do or die affair!

Playing lottery without first wittling down those to be input into the lottery system by qualification will invariably produce a chaotic and ungovernable society.  The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system.  It is a modulated electoral college system that predates the western electoral colkege system because it is not bogged diwn by vote buying ( the Ifa priests cannot be bought)  

Candidates of the ruling houses are equally qualified and the faggot vendors on the streets do not belong in this qualifications even though some of the prospective royals ( who may eventually get selected and enthroned) may only be slightly  materially better off that those faggot sellers.

It is ironically a modification of this system that produced Buhari over the richer Atiku in his first term and the just concluded presidential elections.  It is a similar system that ensured the electoral victory of the late Baroness Thatcher over the fabulously wealthy Lord Heseltine who has groomed himself as a future prime minister from his youth before Baroness Thatcher ever developed any interest in politics.

OAA



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From: Nimi Wariboko <nimiwari@msn.com>
Date: 27/02/2019 13:36 (GMT+00:00)
Cc: Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us Try the Lottery System

Dear All:

 

As we debate, decry, or celebrate the results of the Nigerian presidential election I want to put before you another option for choosing leaders or legislators in the country: the alternative method of election by lot, sortition. I published an essay on this in September 2017 in the Premium Times and the link is provided below. Since I published this essay I have been contacted my many people all over the world who have been pushing for a similar method of selection of leaders in democratic countries. Ireland employs something like this in its political system; deploying it when dealing with the constitutional prohibition against abortion. Kofi Annah before he died started advocating for the lottery system of selection.  

https://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2017/09/22/election-by-lottery-a-new-approach-to-nigerian-democracy-by-nimi-wariboko/

 

Thanks,

Nimi Wariboko

Boston University

United States

 

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USA Africa Dialogue Series - Justice Does Not Live Here Anymore (Poem)

By Chidi Anthony Opara

Let me say my say now
That the tide have ebbed,
Now that the cacophony
Of celebration of thievery
Have ceased,
Now that the halt
Of the people's march
To the dignity of choice
Have become history.
Let me say my say now.

On this land
Peace is an indigent damsel,
Too indigent
To cover her half-nakedness.
She is continually raped
By horny hooligans
Hired by the overlords,
Complacency 
Blames her for the rapes.

Complacency
Have chased away
That old blind woman,
Who dispensed judgments
Without fear or favour.
Justice
Does not live here anymore.

(Poem presented as social service, all rights reserved)


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RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Today's Quote

Bitrus,
That is the intrigue, they would congratulate and still keep damaging information, in case you become difficult to deal with some day. If you do, they have hundreds of ways to use the damaging information.

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us Try theLottery System

Professor Wariboko,
I have read your piece with great interest and I think we in Africa should start thinking of such alternative to costy elections conducted sometimes with the (financial) support of donors. But the idea that pops up in my mind is to ask you how do you proceed to prevent that the computers used are not corrupted. I remember that some years ago a controversy blew up in France that the lotto winners were not always the genuine ones. Given the risk on the matter, how can we garantee that there be the least corruption in the process?
Patrick Effiboley




Le mercredi 27 février 2019 à 22:29:57 UTC+1, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> a écrit :


Toyin:

The Boko Haram imibroglio was central to the use of the system. The agencies you mentioned merely facilitated the process.  The system takes a view of longer term stability rather than immediate need which is merely a contributing factor.

OAA



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Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system." 

I would like to know.

Buhari won in 2015   bcs he was backed by the  Tinubu led faction who control the SW  along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with  the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting  the GEJ govt.

The SW Tinubu led faction and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ   backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition,  would give them entry into Aso Rock.

Buhari's popularity was decisively  demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.

He has built  that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a  coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning  himself with the right wing, ethno/religious  values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies  represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that   Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation  and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.

Buhari has won in 2019  bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership  which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani,  the support of the  SW Tinubu led faction who control the SW    with the region  openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down PDP  votes in Lagos through thugs disrupting elections or destroying ballot papers in expected PDP strongholds, incidents reported  by eye witnesses and documented in on the spot videos,  manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, alo reported by eye witnesses, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses-  and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North. 


thanks

toyin


On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 18:38, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system." 

I would like to know.

Buhari won in 2015   bcs he was backed by the  SW Tinubu led faction     along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with  the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting  the GEJ govt.

The SW Tinubu led faction  and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ   backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition,  would give them entry into Aso Rock.

Buhari's popularity was decisively  demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.

He has built  that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a  coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning  himself with the right wing, ethno/religious  values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies  represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that   Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation  and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.

Buhari has won in 2019  bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership  which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani,  the support of the  SW Tinubu led faction    who have been openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down Igbo votes in Lagos through thugs, manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses-  and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North. 


thanks

toyin





On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 16:54, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear All.

The lottery system bodes no goodwill if implemented.  It is not for nothing that the Yoruba system opine ' A kii f' ologbob sile ka fi omugo j'oba': we do not bypass the sagaciousvto enthrone the witless.

It is true that those qualified do not often let the nation benefit from their qualifications; we have debated this issue on this forum and put the blame squarely at the feet of the warped value system of capitalist presidential system that undercuts its own goals of giving an appropriate  answer to the philosophical questions: what is a good society and who is a successful citizen of a good society.

The answer to these questions  which has not spared the Christian evangelical society for example is: they that can demonstrate material success especially with superlative acquisition of wealth;  the more the merrier.  Hence religious leaders count God's blessing before congregation by the provision of sleek Mercedes limousines and the  private jetsetting pastor.  And we wonder why electiins are rigged and are do or die affair!

Playing lottery without first wittling down those to be input into the lottery system by qualification will invariably produce a chaotic and ungovernable society.  The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system.  It is a modulated electoral college system that predates the western electoral colkege system because it is not bogged diwn by vote buying ( the Ifa priests cannot be bought)  

Candidates of the ruling houses are equally qualified and the faggot vendors on the streets do not belong in this qualifications even though some of the prospective royals ( who may eventually get selected and enthroned) may only be slightly  materially better off that those faggot sellers.

It is ironically a modification of this system that produced Buhari over the richer Atiku in his first term and the just concluded presidential elections.  It is a similar system that ensured the electoral victory of the late Baroness Thatcher over the fabulously wealthy Lord Heseltine who has groomed himself as a future prime minister from his youth before Baroness Thatcher ever developed any interest in politics.

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Date: 27/02/2019 13:36 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us Try the Lottery System

Dear All:

 

As we debate, decry, or celebrate the results of the Nigerian presidential election I want to put before you another option for choosing leaders or legislators in the country: the alternative method of election by lot, sortition. I published an essay on this in September 2017 in the Premium Times and the link is provided below. Since I published this essay I have been contacted my many people all over the world who have been pushing for a similar method of selection of leaders in democratic countries. Ireland employs something like this in its political system; deploying it when dealing with the constitutional prohibition against abortion. Kofi Annah before he died started advocating for the lottery system of selection.  

https://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2017/09/22/election-by-lottery-a-new-approach-to-nigerian-democracy-by-nimi-wariboko/

 

Thanks,

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Boston University

United States

 

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Dr. Bitrus Paul GwamnaSohow are they going touse it to their advantage six months or a year following their congratulatory messages?  These embassies should have called it for Atiku shortly after Inec had declared Buhari victor to throw the country into confusion.  However, why is it that Nigerians need foreigners to legitimaize the decisions we make even with the hundreds of professionals in the country?  Trust is issing.

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Major foreign missions in Nigeria have both the official(from INEC) and the authentic(from the 119,000 polling units nationwide)results, they know the discrepancies, they know that Buhari did not win, but they would do nothing, they would use the information to their advantage during strategic bilateral negotiations.

 

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us TrytheLottery System

Well Ifa divination is a holistic system. You will not be able to ' divine' how or why it works as an outsider any more than I can.  But just as you discovered I some how know it works.  Those who want to attack the system uphold the practices of quacks as representative of the system in order to denounce the system in favour of theirs.  Total immersion is the only means of full appreciation.

Boko Haram is the result of societal misunderstanding as Alagba Kadiri once carefully analysed.  But once Those who wanted to profit politically  from the embers of hate seized on it the whole nation was imperiled.  That was why ' the stone which the builder rejected ( Buhari) became the head of the cornerstone'

Those who felt Jonathan was shortchanged.have to choose between retaining Jonathan and losing the nation the way events were stacked.  It has nothing to do with the incapability of Jonathan  (for whom I have a lot of respect as a member of the intellectual class) as a person or leader.  It's just to do with the political implications of retaining him there given the political implications and implosions for the country.

Put it this way if Murtala Mohammed had been head of state when the Biafran war started as opposed to General Gowon a Christian Biafra would have succeeded.  The general sentiment of the swathe of northern geography would ensure Nigeria did not win the war against Boko Haram ifcJonathan was not voted out but it would have degenerated to a nasty unwinnable religious war to cover the inequities of northern political crooks who do not want to face justice under the concept of Nigeria.

The system and process I referred to encapsulates how others saw the ruse used the time tested Yoruba method of solving similar problems encapsulated in the saying 'eniti ti ko ni je ka je ka yo aa ko ti e mo yan ni'  ( The needs of he who would scheme to make sure we never attained self satisfaction are always taken care of as part of the general strategic planning.)

The real reason for northern  political crooks seizing the Boko Haram imbroglio to destabilize the whole country rested on the commission or omission which resulted in prominent members of the region not making appreciable  progress in rulership at the centre since the post Junec12 civilian dispensation.  It was easy for the generality of northerners to see this and for any northern crooked demagogue to exploit this for selfish gains.  The process of reversing the trend is what I referred to as ' system'  The system is the self abnegatiin in favour of ' the other's to realise a higher ideal: continued Nigerian nationhood.

The first step is to admit their is a lapse. The second is to put in place a corrective process:  this was where the human agencies of the Save  Nigeria Group, Bola Tinubu et al come in. They all function in a system of restitution ( of national order and the concomitant economic order)   The restitution began with the SNG asking the North (as Osinbajo confirmed) to submit any individual they deem capable to rule and the SW would provide the necessary demographic backing just to ensure that the message is sent across clearly that the SW does not subscribe to and is not involved in any scheme to permanently keep the North out of power at the centre.  You must recall that Obasanjo ruled as civilian president following similar moves by the North as a result of the fall out of June 12.

  He must be someone capable of ensuring the goal of sanitizing the society is never lost while providing the ethnic rallying point of reversing the gains of Boko Haram through a falsely ethnicized war.  This was what propelled the candidature of Buhari to the forefront. ( Osinbajo in view of his evangelical credentials need not be told of any Ifa consultation and where the originary roots of the ideas came from.)

OAA



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rich information on Yoruba kingship selection, Olayinka.

vital for record keeping and research.

i have a no of experiences with divination that suggests it can work-one of these being a spontaneous intuitive future foretelling of mine which turned out accurate. im still trying to understand why it occurred at the time it did.

various views exist as to divination's possible  validity and the reason for that.

even then, i dont consult diviners. im not keen on entrusting my life to a system used by someone else and the inner workings of which i cannot understand and verify. i prefer  to develop such abilities myself.

what you wrote on boko haram is rather cryptic. what do you mean by 'the system'.

thanks

toyin

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 22:29, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Toy in.

The Yoruba federated monarchy unlike other models the world over does not attach invariable importance to premogeniture when considerating succession to the throne.  The first born of any king does not invariably succeed them.

When the late Sijuade was to be enthroned I was in Ile- Ife and to the best of my knowledge this system was used to elect him.  Supporters of a close contestant who was not selected felt their candidate lost out because he was not rich but a teacher.  None was able to substantiate the fact any Ifa priest or kingmaker was bribed.

When Iku Baba Yeye Alafin Adeyemi  was elected and enthroned many of us were caught unawares because we never knew of his existence before the process began.  He was not one of the popular princes.  Yet the Oyo Mesi and the Ifa priests did their job meticulously and  sought him from his ensconcement outside the O yo metropolis 

When my late in law Richard Makanjuola was chosen as Owa Ooye of Imesi Ile 2 decades later this system was used.  When my mothers uncle the late Fasusi was consulted to be included in the process he politely turned down the request.

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Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system." 

I would like to know.

Buhari won in 2015   bcs he was backed by the  Tinubu led faction who control the SW  along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with  the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting  the GEJ govt.

The SW Tinubu led faction and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ   backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition,  would give them entry into Aso Rock.

Buhari's popularity was decisively  demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.

He has built  that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a  coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning  himself with the right wing, ethno/religious  values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies  represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that   Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation  and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.

Buhari has won in 2019  bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership  which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani,  the support of the  SW Tinubu led faction who control the SW    with the region  openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down PDP  votes in Lagos through thugs disrupting elections or destroying ballot papers in expected PDP strongholds, incidents reported  by eye witnesses and documented in on the spot videos,  manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, alo reported by eye witnesses, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses-  and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North. 


thanks

toyin


On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 18:38, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system." 

I would like to know.

Buhari won in 2015   bcs he was backed by the  SW Tinubu led faction     along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with  the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting  the GEJ govt.

The SW Tinubu led faction  and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ   backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition,  would give them entry into Aso Rock.

Buhari's popularity was decisively  demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.

He has built  that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a  coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning  himself with the right wing, ethno/religious  values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies  represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that   Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation  and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.

Buhari has won in 2019  bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership  which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani,  the support of the  SW Tinubu led faction    who have been openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down Igbo votes in Lagos through thugs, manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses-  and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North. 


thanks

toyin





On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 16:54, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear All.

The lottery system bodes no goodwill if implemented.  It is not for nothing that the Yoruba system opine ' A kii f' ologbob sile ka fi omugo j'oba': we do not bypass the sagaciousvto enthrone the witless.

It is true that those qualified do not often let the nation benefit from their qualifications; we have debated this issue on this forum and put the blame squarely at the feet of the warped value system of capitalist presidential system that undercuts its own goals of giving an appropriate  answer to the philosophical questions: what is a good society and who is a successful citizen of a good society.

The answer to these questions  which has not spared the Christian evangelical society for example is: they that can demonstrate material success especially with superlative acquisition of wealth;  the more the merrier.  Hence religious leaders count God's blessing before congregation by the provision of sleek Mercedes limousines and the  private jetsetting pastor.  And we wonder why electiins are rigged and are do or die affair!

Playing lottery without first wittling down those to be input into the lottery system by qualification will invariably produce a chaotic and ungovernable society.  The part lottery part qualification process is what  is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system.  It is a modulated electoral college system that predates the western electoral colkege system because it is not bogged diwn by vote buying ( the Ifa priests cannot be bought)  

Candidates of the ruling houses are equally qualified and the faggot vendors on the streets do not belong in this qualifications even though some of the prospective royals ( who may eventually get selected and enthroned) may only be slightly  materially better off that those faggot sellers.

It is ironically a modification of this system that produced Buhari over the richer Atiku in his first term and the just concluded presidential elections.  It is a similar system that ensured the electoral victory of the late Baroness Thatcher over the fabulously wealthy Lord Heseltine who has groomed himself as a future prime minister from his youth before Baroness Thatcher ever developed any interest in politics.

OAA



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Date: 27/02/2019 13:36 (GMT+00:00)
Cc: Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us Try the Lottery System

Dear All:

 

As we debate, decry, or celebrate the results of the Nigerian presidential election I want to put before you another option for choosing leaders or legislators in the country: the alternative method of election by lot, sortition. I published an essay on this in September 2017 in the Premium Times and the link is provided below. Since I published this essay I have been contacted my many people all over the world who have been pushing for a similar method of selection of leaders in democratic countries. Ireland employs something like this in its political system; deploying it when dealing with the constitutional prohibition against abortion. Kofi Annah before he died started advocating for the lottery system of selection.  

https://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2017/09/22/election-by-lottery-a-new-approach-to-nigerian-democracy-by-nimi-wariboko/

 

Thanks,

Nimi Wariboko

Boston University

United States

 

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