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Badeh, Media And Boko Haram

Leadership Editors

— Aug 1, 2015 1:55 am |

The out gone Chief of Defence Staff, Air Marshal Alex Badeh, is reported to be looking outside the high command for explanations regarding the abysmal failure of the military under his watch to effectively check the menace of the terrorist group, Boko Haram. Among other factors, he drew the whipping boys of failed public officers and the media, in the blame game. In the process, he succeeded in confirming already established fact that he failed to rise to the challenges of his office as the man in command and control.

When Boko Haram struck, particularly with the kidnap of the Chibok Girls, the military high command of which he was one was caught clay-footed and lacking in the immediacy of response to such situations. The precision for which the military is famous, was in this instances lacking. It took them months to even accept that Boko Haram posed a threat to the nation's security. When eventually they made up their minds to attack, the attempt was feeble and half-hearted. While the terrorists were mobilising and inching deep into the country, taking over towns and villages, the top echelon of the military establishment was busy bickering and wearing itself out in inter service rivalry.

Even worse was the reports of corruption at the high command level that dissipated the available resources that would have been used to counter the terrorists. The rank and file watched as their commanders executed the campaign as a business enterprise rather than the complex military operation that it was and still is. Emphasis by these commanders was more on how much of the budget was in their pockets. For Badeh and others, the campaign against Boko Haram was their own 'season' for self-enrichment. They replicated in the military what was going on among the political class.

Therefore, for the out going chief of defence staff to turn round as he exits after a 38 year career to blame the media for the inadequacies, obvious incompetence of the high command and its inevitable failures is, in our opinion, unfortunate. Boko Haram is not a media creation. That terrorist group gained ascendancy as a result of the inability of the military to exercise the flexibility the public expected of it. That can never be blamed on the media. Journalists are not known to be in the position to call soldiers to duty. They merely reported what was on ground in the execution of their function as the society's watchdog.

The media at some point in the fight against Boko Haram, and in an unusual act of self-censorship, decided to shut out the terrorists and played up the little successes the military were able to record under Badeh. If he lacks the humility to accept this and say thank you to his compatriots who rose in his defence in a moment of distress, at least he should be truthful enough to exclude them from factors that hampered his operations.

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USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: NigerianID | Nigeria assumes UN Security Council Presidency


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Nigeria at midnight assumed the one-month rotational presidency of the United Nations Security Council. Nigeria's Permanent Secretary to the United Nations took over from Ambassador Gerald Bohemen, the Permanent Representative of New Zealand, who held the presidency for the month of July 2015. Nigeria will occupy the position of UN Security Council Presidency throughout August 2015. This is the first time... Click on the following link to read the complete story http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=13536.


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RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations

The posting below is evidence if any is needed, that people do not smell their own breadth however bad it is. Some who speak for Buhari who seems to want to probe the Jonathan Administration, do not want others to speak for Jonathan or indeed the country.
I have followed this conversation. My understanding is that the concern is not the probe itself but its range and scope. It should not be limited to the Jonathan Administration or some of its members. Why anyone in good conscience has a problem with this position, is beyond me. If the probe is limited to the Jonathan Administration only, it will be adjudged by many to be a witch hunt and rightly so too I might add.
Probes are divisive and messy political undertakings. Remember the many misgivings about the Muritala Mohammed Administration purge? Many Nigerians believe that its faulty design, and arbitrary, reactionary, and selective implementation destroyed Nigeria's public service.
Probes should be undertaken with due thought and care. Nigeria does not need and Nigerians do want a probe for its own sake in my considered opinion. They want a wide spectrum probe whose objectives include the reset of politics, and public governance and service in Nigeria. They do not want one that seems to seek to settle political and other scores. It is necessary that all not some Nigerians only buy into it.

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The pettifogging and specious arguments deployed by People like Oluwatoyin and other Jonathadeens is amusing. They would have us believe that Goodjo's administration is being persecuted. They would also have us believe that Goodjo is corruption free and even if his goat nibbled on some tubers of yam from the communal barn, it should be overlooked because goats from other seasons are equally guilty of "Yamming"

They tell us that GEJ deployed "te ki ina loji" to prevent corruption.
A fat lot of good that technology did to prevent the pension scam, Nimasa's and NNPC's ! These advocates of corruption want PMB to declare an amnesty on a corrupt administration, overlook all and just deploy that supreme tech that worked so well under their principal.
Hear! Hear!!

"Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more honest approach of prevention through financial restructuring rather than Buhari's dishonest witch-hunting strategy"

This is chicanery taken to an olympian height of farce. Some people wouldn't see truth if it pokes them in the eye. Yes, the history of Nigeria is that of serial heists by successive governments but the scale of looting under GEJ beggars belief. It trumped even the lootocracy of Abacha.

Call it whatever you like; persecution, witch hunt, scape goatism. One thing is certain, ex prez Goodluck has nothing to fear if he has done nothing to warrant fear. Let the probe commence from his administration but shouldn't terminate there is what I advocate.

On 7/31/15, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:
> *EDITED-*
>
> First, Buhari says he will probe only GEJ.
> So, your claim, Kadiri, that 'Buhari should start clearing the log of
> corruption trees from the top' is different from Buhari's agenda.
> Secondly, I am stating that Buhari is not morally qualified to probe
> anyone bcs Buhari and his allies have corruption, treason and other
> charges to answer.
> I have given a list of such corruption and treason charges relating to
> Buhari and his allies as evident from the last election cycle, the
> last administration and the current one.
> So, don't bother continuing with your effort to generate ridicule by
> going into the distant past.
> Aregbesola, Amaechi, Tinubu, El Rufai, Buhari and his campaign
> financing, Shettima and the Chibok incident are all cases live at the
> present moment as I demonstrate in my earlier post.
> We dont need to return to the beginning of the world to examine what
> is in front of our eyes.
> Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more honest approach of
> prevention through financial restructuring rather than Buhari's
> dishonest witch-hunting strategy as is demonstrated in these essays :
>
> "Blocking Corruption Through Technology: Nigeria's IPPIS and IPSAS-
> Method and Supervision by Isuph JT and Chioma Mbakwe Ojukwu
> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/blocking-corruption-through-technology-nigerias-ippis-and-ipsas-method-and-super/10152612253744103>"
>
> "7 Impressive Ways President Jonathan Fought Corruption (No. 3 Will
> Make You Scream
> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/7-impressiv
> e-ways-president-jonathan-fought-corruption-no-3-will-make-you-scream/
> 10152621775954103>)
> "
> summing up the GEJ govts' understanding of the anti-corruption
> struggle as more of a comprehensive restructuring of the entire
> socio-economic landscape than the sloganeering of fighting monetary
> corruption which is all Buhari has to offer, a contrast in
> perspectives summed up by Vincent Unachukwu
> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/leadership-
> as-structural-thinking-and-action-by-vincent-unachukwu/101526243075391
> 03>
> .
> Finally, I have concluded that the country needs to be renegotiated
> bcs it has no unifying ethos.
> Any other initiative that claims to restructure Nigeria's ultimate
> direction is either a waste of time or sheer dishonesty or both.
> The culture of going backward nationally in Nigeria, a symptom of the
> need to renegotiate the nation, is demonstrated by the election to the
> nation's highest office of a man who could not present even a primary
> school certificate as his educational qualification to contest for
> office, who,when the pressure became deafening, had to call a press
> conference to make claims he could not verify about the whereabouts of
> his secondary school certificate, demonstrating conclusively that his
> rising to the rank of general or even the terms on which he entered
> the Nigerian army are questionable at best, a quota President of
> questionable education in a country where it is unthinkable for a
> Presidential candidate from any region other than the Muslim North to
> show up with anything less than a first degree, in a world where
> sophisticated education is at a premium in all aspects of public life
> on account of the complexity of modern civilisation.
> This fraud was elected based on sentiments deriving partly from his
> military background yet the best he has done about the Boko Haram
> Islamic terrorism ravaging the North is to beg the the terrorists to negotiate.
> Not suprising bcs he has repeatedly identified with the terrorists by
> arguing they should not be combated
> <http://nationalmirroronline.net/new/clampdown-on-boko-haram-injustice
> -against-north-buhari/> and that war agst them is agst the North
> <http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/buhari-military-offensive-against-boko-haram-anti-north/149256/>.
>
> So, what remains- the so called fighter will not fight.
> We are faced with the complexities of govt.
> He has made himself into a civilian dictator who rules alone, under
> the pretext of not finding honest people to appoint.
> By the time he appoints the staff to run the govt as is vital in a
> democratic system, he would have consolidated his dictatorial hold,
> leaving ashes in the mouths of Nigerians, feeding aborted visions to
> those calling for change by appointing the whitewashed dictator.
> thanks
> toyin
>
> On 31 July 2015 at 13:53, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> First, Buhari says he will probe only GEJ.
>>
>> So, your claim, Kadiri, that 'Buhari should start clearing the log
>> of corruption trees from the top' is diferent from Buhari's agenda.
>>
>> Secondly, I am stating that Buhari is not morally qualified to probe
>> anyone bcs Buhari and his allies have corruption, treason and other
>> charges to answer.
>>
>> I have given a list of such coruption and treason charges relating
>> to Buhari and his allies as evident from the last election cycle,
>> the last administration and the current one.
>>
>> So, dont bother continuing with your effort to generate ridicule by
>> going into the distant past.
>>
>> Aregbesola, Amaechi, Tinubu, El Rufai, Buhari and his campaign
>> financing, Shettima and the Chibok incident are all cases live at
>> the present moment as I demonstrate ion my ealier post.
>>
>> We dont need to return to the beginning of the world to examine what
>> is in front of our eyes.
>>
>> Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more honest aproach of
>> prevention through financical restructuring rather than Buhari's
>> dishonest witch-hunting strategy as is demonstrated in these essays
>> :
>>
>> "Blocking Corruption Through Technology: Nigeria's IPPIS and IPSAS-
>> Method and Supervision by Isuph JT and Chioma Mbakwe Ojukwu
>> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/blocking-corruption-through-technology-nigerias-ippis-and-ipsas-method-and-super/10152612253744103>"
>>
>>
>> "7 Impressive Ways President Jonathan Fought Corruption (No. 3 Will
>> Make You Scream
>> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/7-impressi
>> ve-ways-president-jonathan-fought-corruption-no-3-will-make-you-screa
>> m/10152621775954103>)
>> "
>>
>> summing up the GEJ govs understanding of the anti-corruption struggle
>> as more of a comprehensive restructuring of the entire socio-economic
>> landscape than the sloganeering of fighting monetary corruption
>> which is all Buhari has to offer, a contrast in perscetives summed up
>> by Vincent Unachukwu
>> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/leadership
>> -as-structural-thinking-and-action-by-vincent-unachukwu/1015262430753
>> 9103>
>> .
>>
>> Finally, I have concluded that the country needs to be renegotiated
>> bcs it has no unfying ethos.
>>
>> Any other initiative that claims to restructure Nigeria's ultimate
>> direction is either a waste of time or sheer dishonesty or both.
>>
>> The culture of going backward nationally in Nigeria, a symptom of the
>> need to renegotiate the nation, is demonstrated by the election to
>> the nation's higest office of a man who could not present even a
>> primary school certificate as his educational qualification to
>> contest for office, who,when the pressure became deafening, had to
>> call a press conference to make claims he could not verify about the
>> whereabouts of his secondary school certificate, demonstrating
>> conclusively that his rising to the rank of general or even the terms
>> on which he entered the Nigerian army are questionable at best, a
>> quota President of questionable education in a country where it is
>> unthinkable for a Presidential candidate from any region other than
>> the Muslim North to show up with anything less than a first degree,
>> in a world where sophisticated education is at a premuim in all
>> aspects of public life on account of the complexity of modern
>> civilisation.
>>
>> This fraud was elected based on sentiments deriving partly from his
>> military background yet the best he has done about the Boko Haram
>> Islamic terrorism ravaging the North is to beg the the terrorists to negotiate.
>>
>> Not suprising bcs he has repeteadly identified with them by arguing
>> they should not be combated and that war agst them is agst the North.
>>
>> So, what remains- the so called fighter will not fight.
>>
>> We are faced with the complexities of govt.
>>
>> He has made himself into a civilian dictator who rules alone, under
>> the pretext of not find honest people to appoint.
>>
>> By the time he appoints the staff to run the govt as is vital in a
>> democratic system, he would have consolidated his dictatorial hold,
>> leaving ashes in the mouths of Nigerians, fedding aborted visions to
>> those caling for change by appointing the whitewashed dictator.
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> toyin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 July 2015 at 19:53, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *In a stormy weather where multiple of trees fall on one another, it
>>> will be unintelligent to attempt clearing the log of trees from the
>>> bottom and not from the top. That is the essence of my admonition
>>> that Buhari should start clearing the log of corruption trees from
>>> the top as represented by Goodluck Ebelechukwu Azikiwe Jonathan. To
>>> this, you, Oluwatoyin Adepoju, are saying it is not true. As if I
>>> have maintained that only Jonathan's government has been corrupt in
>>> Nigeria, you drew the attention of the audience to Halliburton
>>> bribery scandal involving Obasanjo and others. As we know
>>> Halliburton got a $ 6 billion contract in Nigeria after bribing
>>> officials with $180 million. The bribe givers in Europe
>>> (France) and in USA have been sanctioned judicially but not the
>>> bribe takers in Nigeria. You once described Jonathan as the best
>>> President Nigeria ever had and since he ruled Nigeria for almost six
>>> years, I wonder why you never thought it appropriate to ask him to
>>> prosecute Halliburton's bribe takers in Nigeria. If Buhari had
>>> stolen money during his time at PTF, are you suggesting that
>>> Jonathan was an imbecile for not using that to prevent him, Buhari,
>>> from contesting the Presidential election?*
>>>
>>> *Even though I consider the rest of your submission circumvolutory,
>>> I have no objection if you have the power and time to start your
>>> enquiry on official theft and frauds in Nigeria from Forster
>>> Sutton's Commission of Enquiry into the African Continental Bank, in
>>> 1956, where depositors'
>>> monies were loaned out to a specific leader of government and repayments
>>> deferred to 1970! *
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:18:34 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations
>>> From: toyinkaidara@gmail.com
>>> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 'The principle of Last in First Out should be applied. Buhari took
>>> over from Jonathan with handover notes. He should start from the
>>> last regime because the documents and accounts are still fresh and
>>> can easily be traced. We must remember that Buhari has only four
>>> years to accomplish his missions and it is only when there is time
>>> over that he can extend his enquiries to the regimes beyond
>>> Jonathan's.'
>>> Salimonu Kadiri
>>>
>>> Not true.
>>>
>>> The relevant foundational info is known to even people like me who
>>> are not in govt.
>>>
>>> The Hallibuton bribery case in OBJ's govt is well known.
>>>
>>> It involved top US officials and remains live in the US.
>>>
>>> Buhari is described as showing interest in opening an investigation
>>> into that while in the US but returning to Nigeria to mouth a
>>> different story bcs he knows his allies would be felled by such an investigation.
>>>
>>> 'it stands to reason – the constraints of time and space - that it
>>> would be quite a backlog of corruption cases to attend to. How far
>>> back can he go in attempting to successfully recover the bulk of the
>>> looted money and assets?'
>>> Cornelius
>>>
>>> Can a dirty person, aided by dirty people, aid anyone in becoming clean?
>>>
>>>
>>> The charges of huge missing monies in Buhari's time at PTF, if I got
>>> the Buhari govt post correct, are well known.
>>>
>>> The questions over Bola Tinubu's 'ownership' of Lagos in terms of
>>> monopolistic revenue collection practices, among others stemming
>>> from his grip on SW politics as past Lagos state governor are
>>> ongoing.
>>>
>>> The TV station that broadcast a hard hitting documentary on Tinubu
>>> in connection with these allegation during the elections is yet to
>>> be successfully sued for libel, if sued at all, to the best of my
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>> Yet Tinubu is the SW political leader central to making Buhari's
>>> victory possible by lending Buhari SW political capital and
>>> intellectual resources, enabling Buhari break out of his heretofore
>>> Muslim Northern enclave.
>>>
>>> The accusations agst immediate past APC gov of Rivers, Rotimi
>>> Ameachi in connection with the monorail scheme and workers salaries,
>>> among other issues, are live.
>>>
>>> Yet, Amaechi is a central APC arrowhead, their most important figure
>>> in the SE and Buhari's campaign organizer.
>>>
>>> The impeachment case agst Aregbesola, Osun APC gov for owing
>>> workers for ages even though the state govt got its monthly
>>> allocation from the fed govt is a recent and perhaps ongoing case.
>>>
>>> What is happening to the long running corruption case against
>>> Timipre Sylva, perhaps the most significant APC figure in the SS,
>>> and the leader of Buhari's handover committee from the last govt?
>>>
>>> But...all these people are Buhari himself and his allies.
>>>
>>> So, we return to the Nigerian circus in which thieves claim to be
>>> policing thieving but are only defining the terms of thieving.
>>>
>>> What are Buhari's sources of funding for his 4 time Presidential
>>> bid in the light of his claim to a modest living?
>>>
>>> Why did Kassim Shettima, the APC gov of Borno state keep the Chibok
>>> school open agst the orders of the govt, thereby enabling the kidnap
>>> story and sabotaging the war agst Boko Haram, enabling an incident
>>> that was central to the destruction of the image of the efforts of
>>> the GEJ govt in the Boko Haram war and foundational to the govt's
>>> defeat in the election that brought in Buhari??
>>>
>>> Why did Shettima state after the Chobik kidnap story emerged that if
>>> he says what knows about Boko Haram heads will roll?
>>>
>>> Should Abubakar Atiku, a central APC figure, not be charged with
>>> treason and investigated for possible links to Boko Haram in
>>> connection with his declaration in 2010-2011 that those who make
>>> peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable bcs a
>>> Northern Muslim was not made PDP Presidential candidate, a position
>>> certain at that time to lead to the Presidency?
>>>
>>> All these and more is known to people following Nigerian politics.
>>>
>>> Is Nigeria a kangaroo kingdom where politicians manipulate the stage
>>> to suite themselves and their cronies with the help of the average
>>> Nigerian who elects to dance their evil dance with them for one
>>> misguided reason or another?
>>>
>>> El Rufai is quoted as declaring that he will take to court the news
>>> organization that described for him a huge asset portfolio far in
>>> excess in of what an honest civil servant should have.
>>>
>>> He is also described as not taking any such action well after the
>>> allegation broke.
>>>
>>> Yet, El Rufai is a governor in the current govt based on his
>>> vociferous attacks on GEJ and championing of Buhari.
>>>
>>> Buhari's political allies, in the SW, SE, SS and North, and even
>>> Buhari himself, are people who should be under intense investigation
>>> and not be anywhere in govt.
>>>
>>> Even Buhari is alive only bcs his coup that brought him to power
>>> decades ago succeeded. If not he would have been executed as is the
>>> law for coup plotters.
>>>
>>> Masquerades...crooks....
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> toyin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 July 2015 at 23:01, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The principle of Last in First Out should be applied. Buhari took
>>> over from Jonathan with handover notes. He should start from the
>>> last regime because the documents and accounts are still fresh and
>>> can easily be traced. We must remember that Buhari has only four
>>> years to accomplish his missions and it is only when there is time
>>> over that he can extend his enquiries to the regimes beyond
>>> Jonathan's.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:38:19 -0700
>>> From: corneliushamelberg@gmail.com
>>> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations
>>>
>>> Re- " assuming that all Nigerians truly believe that corruption must
>>> go!To single one regime for corruption charges,out of all the
>>> regimes that have governed Nigeria, nearly all of which can be
>>> justifiably accused of corrupt governance is a
>>> parochial,narrow,petty and devious response to corruption"
>>> With *$600bn looted from 1960 to now*
>>> <https://www.google.co.uk/#q=Nigeria+:+$600bn+looted+from+1960+to+no
>>> w> it stands to reason – the constraints of time and space - that it
>>> would be quite a backlog of corruption cases to attend to. How far
>>> back can he go in attempting to successfully recover the bulk of the
>>> looted money and assets?
>>>
>>> Only asking,
>>> CH
>>> *We Sweden* <http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 23 July 2015 23:40:23 UTC+2, ugwuanyi Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>> This piece is highly readable but in my estimation it falls short
>>> of what should be a worthier attitude/response to
>>> corruption-assuming that all Nigerians truly believe that corruption
>>> must go!To single one regime for corruption charges,out of all the
>>> regimes that have governed Nigeria, nearly all of which can be
>>> justifiably accused of corrupt governance is a
>>> parochial,narrow,petty and devious response to corruption.
>>>
>>> It narrows the idea and annoints it all the more.
>>>
>>> It will strengthen the claim that corruption charges in Nigeria
>>> depends on who is involved, where he or she comes from and the
>>> peculiar interest of the anti-corruption agent or body.It is a
>>> mockery on the desired fight against corruption.Simple!
>>>
>>> Evil is evil and has no gender or race or tribe.And corruption is
>>> evil because it amounts to wealth without work.
>>>
>>> So can Nigerians(under what may be called a veil of innocence)
>>> demand a list of all citizens who have wealth or money they were
>>> not in a position to acquire; and can it be held that these are
>>> corrupt wealth until the source of the wealth proves otherwise?
>>>
>>> Can the president be bold to set a body that will achieve this list?
>>>
>>> Establishing this list would,I think, be a fundamental beginning to
>>> such moral struggle.
>>>
>>> Perhaps thereafter what to do with the list will be debated and a
>>> popular decision will be acheived!
>>>
>>> Difficult and demanding as this may be,if Buhari would not have the
>>> courage to go this far(at least to tell us who exactly were/are the
>>> corrupt citizens of the Nigerian state),it is doubtful how far he
>>> could go with his anti-corruption dream,paasionate as he may be
>>> about it!
>>>
>>> Corruption may just be perching at his backyard even as he is
>>> shooting at it in the village square!
>>>
>>>
>>> Lawrence Ogbo Ugwuanyi,Ph.D
>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy
>>> Department of Philosophy & Religions University of Abuja.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 7/20/15, Jibrin Ibrahim <jib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > From: Jibrin Ibrahim <jib...@gmail.com>
>>> > Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations
>>> > To: "usaafric...@googlegroups.com" <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
>>> > Date: Monday, July 20, 2015, 12:08 PM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Investigations
>>> > of Mega
>>> > Looting Must Continue, But Must be Lawful
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jibrin
>>> > Ibrahim, Deepening Democracy Column, Daily Trust,
>>> > 20th
>>> > July 2015
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The
>>> > Head of State declared that the government was "to all
>>> > intents
>>> > and purposes bankrupt." The person in question was
>>> > Mohammadu Buhari and
>>> > the time was October 1984. The statement was a justification
>>> > for the draconian
>>> > actions his regime was taking against the political class he
>>> > succeeded which he
>>> > declared to be composed of economic criminals and saboteurs.
>>> > He detained 475
>>> > politicians and businessmen and set up five military
>>> > tribunals to judge them
>>> > for corruption. The military, according to Max Siollun were
>>> > the prosecutor,
>>> > judge and jury. The legal principle was that the onus was on
>>> > the accused to
>>> > prove their innocence. Within months, the crème de la
>>> > crème of the Second
>>> > Republic – Melford Okilo, Abubakar Rimi, Solomon Lar, Bola
>>> > Ige, Aper Aku, Jim
>>> > Nwobodo etc. were jailed for 21 years each. The military
>>> > were not excluded, Col
>>> > Obasa for example was jailed for 22 years when it was
>>> > discovered that he had
>>> > 305 Naira in his bank account when he became NYSC director
>>> > in 1979 and the said
>>> > account had grown to seven million Naira in December 1983.
>>> > Suddenly, public
>>> > opinion turned against Buhari, he was moving too fast and
>>> > too far. Of course
>>> > the public opinion was driven by a beleaguered press
>>> > suffering from the effects
>>> > of draconian laws that curbed the media and sent many
>>> > journalists to jail.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It
>>> > would be recalled that the regime has enacted the infamous
>>> > Decree No.
>>> > 4 aimed at stopping he media from "maligning" public
>>> > offices irrespective of
>>> > the veracity of the stories reported. Two journalists of The
>>> > Guardian, Nduka
>>> > Irabor and Tunde Thompson had been jailed and the media and
>>> > the human rights
>>> > community were in justified rage against Buhari's human
>>> > rights abuses. For many
>>> > Nigerians however, jailing the corrupt politicians was the
>>> > right thing to do.
>>> > Indeed, there can be no doubt that much of the popularity
>>> > that eventually
>>> > propelled Buhari to power this year is not unconnected with
>>> > popular memories
>>> > linking him to the capacity to deal with corrupt
>>> > politicians. The more people
>>> > realised the depth of the corruption of the Jonathan
>>> > Administration, the more
>>> > they felt they needed Buhari.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In
>>> > his book Peace and Violence in Nigeria, Professor Tekena
>>> > Tamuno
>>> > reminds us that when Buhari came to power in January 1984,
>>> > he was regularly
>>> > attacked for being "as slow as a tortoise". Newspaper
>>> > pundits compared his slow
>>> > pace to the extremely fast pace with which General Murtala
>>> > Mohammed hit the
>>> > ground running when he took over power from General Yakubu
>>> > Gowon. It turned out
>>> > that Buhari was not slow; he was planning a blitzkrieg
>>> > against the corrupt
>>> > political class that had bankrupted Nigeria.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Fast
>>> > forward thirty years, Mohammadu Buhari is back in power and
>>> > his
>>> > immediate assessment is that Nigeria is bankrupt and the
>>> > Jonathan
>>> > Administration of mega looters has direct responsibility for
>>> > the terrible state
>>> > of affairs. Since assuming power, he has been listening a
>>> > lot, reading a lot
>>> > and engaged in little action. Nigerians are beginning to
>>> > shout that he is too
>>> > slow. We should be careful what we pray for; a very fast
>>> > moving Buhari taking
>>> > precipitate unlawful action against corruption might not be
>>> > what we need.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I
>>> > believe that it is not an easy situation for President
>>> > Buhari. Nigeria
>>> > has not seen the level of reckless mega corruption that has
>>> > been displayed by
>>> > the Jonathan Administration. They stole our national
>>> > resources with such
>>> > reckless abandon that suggested they believed they would be
>>> > thrown out of
>>> > office at the elections. Yet, the evidence before us is that
>>> > they believed they
>>> > would win the elections through free or foul means and yet
>>> > they stole as if
>>> > there would be no political tomorrow. Having essentially
>>> > started by stealing
>>> > what was in the budget, they graduated to stealing the
>>> > national income before
>>> > it even went to the national purse. I would not be surprised
>>> > if President
>>> > Buhari would be wishing that he could set up military
>>> > tribunals and send all of
>>> > them to jail. However he knows, and he had said it himself,
>>> > that the world has since
>>> > changed. There can be no retroactive laws as he had in 1984.
>>> > There can be no
>>> > trial by military tribunals. The legal principle is all are
>>> > innocent until
>>> > proved guilty and the rule of law is the guiding principle.
>>> > It is therefore not
>>> > surprising that he has been in such deep thought, study and
>>> > reflection.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Finally,
>>> > action appeared to have studied last week. The all-powerful
>>> > former
>>> > National Security Adviser, Col Sambo Dasuki had his houses
>>> > raided just two days
>>> > after leaving office. He was interrogated through the night;
>>> > monies and arms
>>> > were reported to have been seized from his domicile. As Col
>>> > Dasuki himself
>>> > said, the high handedness was uncalled for, he should have
>>> > been invited for
>>> > questioning and he would have respected the invitation. I
>>> > was troubled by the
>>> > press release issued by the Department of State Services
>>> > (DSS) justifying their
>>> > high-handed action. They claim to have "credible
>>> > intelligence linking the immediate past NSA, Mohammed Sambo
>>> > DASUKI (Col Rtd) with
>>> > alleged plans to commit treasonable felony against the
>>> > Nigerian State". The
>>> > evidence they pointed to include the discovery of twelve new
>>> > vehicles and seven
>>> > assault rifles in his house. I have no security training so
>>> > I do not know how
>>> > treasonable felony is executed. All the same, I would be
>>> > extremely surprised at
>>> > the feasibility of Col Sambo Dasuki zooming off in a new SUV
>>> > carrying riffles
>>> > to overthrow the regime. We learn from the DSS report that
>>> > he was still
>>> > enjoying armed guards from the army so the existence of the
>>> > arms might be easily
>>> > explained.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Moving
>>> > forward, it is very important that investigations into the
>>> > corrupt deals of the
>>> > Jonathan Administration follow the rule of law. The
>>> > investigations must however
>>> > be done and done thoroughly. Given the extent of the
>>> > economic crimes and sabotage
>>> > done by the Jonathan Administration, the investigations must
>>> > go back to the
>>> > beginning of the regime. The monies looted from our treasury
>>> > must be recovered
>>> > and used for national development. At this point, President
>>> > Buhari must explain
>>> > his anti-corruption strategy to Nigerians and there should
>>> > be a debate about
>>> > it. What role, for example, would the anti-corruption
>>> > agencies paly and how
>>> > would they be revamped? The possible modes for recovering
>>> > looted funds should
>>> > also be debated. President Buhari would also require a
>>> > competent and principled
>>> > Minister of Justice and Attorney General of the Federation
>>> > to anchor the work,
>>> > which brings s, back to the vexed issue of political
>>> > appointments. President
>>> > Buhari is a recognized anti-corruption crusader but he
>>> > cannot do the work
>>> > alone. He needs a team to guide him away from easy routes
>>> > that could be
>>> > booby-trapped and not bear the fruit we are all
>>> > expecting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jibrin Ibrahim PhD
>>> > Senior
>>> > Fellow
>>> > Centre for
>>> > Democracy and Development
>>> > 16 A7 Street,
>>> > CITEC Mbora Estate,
>>> > Jabi/Airport Road
>>> > By-pass,
>>> > P.O.Box14345, Wuse
>>> > Abuja, Nigeria
>>> > Tel - +234 8053913837
>>> > Twitter- @jibrinibrahim17
>>> > Facebook- jibrin.ibrahim
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs related to Ugandans?

There are scholars- Western scholars I might add, who seem to have a problem with associating great, positive moments, accomplishments, and events of history with Black Africa.  The ethnicity of ancient Egyptians should not be a matter of great moment if not for the fact that there are scholars, Western scholars I might add, who go to great lengths to argue that the ancient Egyptians were not Black Africans. Their motivation seems to be that the civilization they created was so advanced and outstanding for its time, that they could not be Black Africans. It does not matter to them for example, that their scholarship may be false and grossly misleading.

Remember the trouble many scholars in the Western World continue to take, streaming discordant shreds of evidence, in their endeavor to convince the world that Cleopatra was Greek and not Egyptian? For them, Cleopatra was too beautiful and smart to be Egyptian- African. Should her ethnicity matter as much as they make it out to be? I do not think so.  Her role in history after all was set, not by her ethnicity but her beauty and guile. She is said to be a beautiful, sophisticated, manipulative charmer. Those attributes are not exclusive to Greeks? All through time, historical characters (women) of similar beauty and guile, have existed in all parts of the world dominated by men. They continue to exist.  

Blowbacks are necessary to counter the misinformation and misrepresentations of history. It is important to report history correctly. If there was no question, an answer would not follow. Gloria's posting, whether or not it is historical and/or ideological, serves this purpose. It is even more so if it is the correct version of history which it might be. She is helping to counter Western historian or anthropologist who pleasure in  characterize the ancient Egyptians (of the Pharaohs) as not being Black Africans.

Ken must know that there are scholars- Western scholars for the most part  whose stock-in-trade is the denigration of all that is not native to their race as they narrowly define it. One wishes that all scholar have a more enlightened view of history, life, and our common humanity which view Ken seems to me to have. One would expect them to know that setting people needlessly apart by race especially (no one chooses their race by the way), has done more harm than good. Yes it has, if facts and the truth matter. That enterprise is one that continues to be successful in helping to make the world a worse place than it needs to be, for all who inhabit her.

 

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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth harrow
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 8:56 AM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs related to Ugandans?

 

there are many other questions. are they historical? ideological? when gloria asserts that egyptians were black africans, what does that mean? where on the line that carries people across the sahara does black fade into white? where is the deciding line? are we to measure noses again? i've seen berber families with lighter skinned and darker skinned siblings, as indeed exists throughout the entire sahel. what does that really mean? when was there not mixing of peoples?
and when egypt is seen as the source of civilization, do we mean civilization as in the english meaning, which carries roman roots? i always thought writing, big buildings, large governments were european definitions of civilization, leaving poor old Umuofia, Things Fall Apart, out in the rain to be beaten on by european values.
when the palm oil of words in achebe's texts is eaten, is that not some other kind of artifact of "civilization" that bears all the sophistication of aristotelian thought?
it isn't a question of who built the biggest structures, but rather, who is defining the criteria for "civilization." is it such a colonial notion, can't we just throw it out and start on better footing. let's start with Camara Laye's L'Enfant noir. there's lots of civilization there, far from the coast.

i don't buy the afrocentrist need to find authentic origins, much less to locate them in egypt.
lastly, if egyptians came from black africa, who didn't? didn't we all originate somewhere around the horn, many tens of thousands of years ago? who is the outsider to this african heritage?
ken (ok, i am not a historian; i read novels and watch movies....)

On 7/31/15 2:58 PM, awori wrote:

Not being a historian of any kind---I would not hazard to give a factual response to the views below. I however would like to raise issues that the author and others could consider. When you refer to ancient Egypt---what exactly do you mean? What was ancient ancient Nubia---what distinguishes ancient Nubia from the so called ancient Egypt?  Finally according to archaeological and scientific findings---what was the progression of the Nubia/Egyptian civilizations---was it from the source of the Nile--Northwards or the other way round? Answers to these questions might (probably) help answer some of the quetion.  

Awori   

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:38:41 AM UTC+3, Chambi Chachage wrote:

Gloria Emeagwali et al., do you agree with Lawrence Mbogoni below?

 


From: "'Mbogoni, Lawrence' mbog...@wpunj.edu [Wanazuoni]" <Wana...@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Wana...@yahoogroups.com" <Wana...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Wanazuoni] Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs related to Ugandans?

 

 

Wanazuoni,

 

I am joining this dialogue rather late. But as a historian of Africa I feel bound to answer Mr. Makakala's concerns about the relationship of ancient Egypt/Nubia and the rest of Africa. Makakala begins with the view that:  "the current North Africa has been shaped mainly by forces which are foreign to the continent. Hence, the fact that the North has produced many scholars for centuries has more to do with the cultures that influenced it rather than [the rest of] Africa." The observation is true to a certain extent. For centuries ancient Egypt was a part of the Mediterranean world and Egypt influenced at the same time it was itself influenced parts of this region especially what is today Israel/Palestine and Greece. Ancient Egypt was an imperial power whose influence extended to the southern fringes of Assyria. Some evidence even suggests that one of the pharaohs conquered and briefly ruled ancient Greece. However, ancient Egypt's imperial endeavors beyond Nubia were thwarted partly by geographical factors and partly by resistance especially along the Red Sea toward Puntland (northern Somalia). Evidently, had ancient Egypt's imperial endeavors succeeded its influence would have been far afield south of Nubia. That said, as part of the Mediterranean world Egypt learnt as it taught neighboring peoples many things. Alexandria was for centuries a center of learning in the region that attracted especially ancient Greek scholars. Herodotus, reputed to be the father of history, deemed it necessary to visit Egypt and left us a very interesting account of his experience of the people and their achievements. In short, scholarly achievements in Egypt and North Africa were/are not just the result of influences from other cultures but are also indigenous to ancient Egypt.

 

Makakala wonders how ancient Egypt and Nubia could have developed so far ahead while none of that development did not leak to the rest of the continent. My response is had ancient Egypt's imperial endeavors southward succeeded its influences would have extended beyond Nubia. But even where Egyptian imperialism was extended, such as in the Levant, there is very little in evidence about Egyptian achievements. There are no pyramids in Lebanon, Israel or Jordan although these areas were once subject to Egyptian imperialism. As for evidence of permanent buildings from anywhere else in Africa comparable to Egypt's there is none except the stone citadels of ancient Zimbabwe. But by permanent buildings I believe Makakala is referring to the Egyptian pyramids. However, most Egyptians built and resided in mud structures. The three pyramids we see today were presumably funerary structures although most if not all pharaohs were buried in underground tombs (Pharaoh Cheops, the builder of the biggest of the threes was not even buried in it).

 

Furthermore, Makakala queries why Africa is considered the exception when it comes to diversity characteristic of Europe and Asia. I wonder who is guilty of his accusation since historians of Africa have highlighted its diversity in peoples, cultures, languages, climates, forms of worship, lifestyles, etc. for quite a while now. Any introductory text about Africa begins with its geographical, cultural, linguistic, and ethnic/racial diversities (Cf. textbooks by Robert July; Robert Collins). No historian worth the name would insist Africa to be uniform.

 

Moreover, I find it interesting that Makakala equates sedentary life with permanent buildings. Rather, it is the rise of agriculture that was the genesis of permanent human settlements not just in Africa but elsewhere in the world. Tending to crops required people to stay put in one place unlike tending to livestock, hence the difference between agricultural and pastoralist societies. Be that as it may, urbanization was not only unique to ancient Egypt on the continent. For an historical account of the process of urbanization in Africa south of the Sahara Makakala can refer to Catherine Vidrovitch's book entitled *Urbanization in Africa.*

Finally, it is puzzling how Makakala equates scripts (i.e. the written word) with sharing of knowledge, skills and innovations and hence development. The privileging of the written word and hence written records as the only sources of history was conclusively debunked by Jan Vansina in his book entitled *The Oral Tradion.* That said, if having a written language is that important, how does one explain the lack of development and political vulnerability of Arabs and the Chinese who, like the Africans, were easily conquered by Europeans despite having written languages of their own?

 

Kila la kheri.

 

Mbogoni

 

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