Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - President Museveni Discusses Libya &Gaddafi: A Must Read

I am an African and I would never think that my people are inferior and therefore needing the West or an outside power to tell them how to think or do things. That is the Western way of thinking, take it or leave it but it is true. There is no need for circumlocution, because it becomes mundane in the process.   Yes there will be oppressors and oppressed in the world. That is the world we live in. But can we a least agree that in the same way that America oppresses some of it's citizens and has a history of doing so, yet without outside interference, in the same way other nations have the right to be left alone to determine their destiny.   People can only accept oppression to a certain extent because it gets to a time that they decide enough is enough and stand up to change the dynamics. This is what happened to African nations before Independence. And let us remind ourselves that the freedom fighters were called terrorist by the colonialists.   Their colonial masters had weapons far more superior than their machete and arrows yet they prevailed. They did not have America sending their fighter jet plane to bomb their nation as means of helping them dismantle the colonialist, but they organized themselves and vowed to fight until they succeeded.   That is my stance in the Libya saga   --- On Fri, 3/25/11, Jaye Gaskia <ogbegbe@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Jaye Gaskia <ogbegbe@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - President Museveni Discusses Libya &Gaddafi: A Must Read To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 3:48 AM It is neither western nor eastern; northern nor southern, to identify in thought what exists in reality: the presence in human communities of oppressors and oppressed; exploiters and exploited; those who control power and wealth, and those who lack wealth and power.   And whereas a particular country's leadership may be anti imperialist in its relationship with the power centres of imperialism; within the country itself, that leadership may actually be the repressive representative of the exploiting and oppressing classes superintending on a very inhuman systems which simultaneously produces massive wealth in a few hands, and mass misery among the generality of citizens. Jaye From: kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 3:29:29 AM Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - President Museveni Discusses Libya &Gaddafi: A Must Read there is no such thing as a western way of thinking. there are lots of problematic ways to put together knowledge, but it isn't geography that creates it, and even history's role is a divided one. to lock us in to such formulae is to arrest critical thought. ken On 3/24/11 6:13 PM, ROSEMARY MWENJA wrote: Who is the oppressor and who is not? You are allowing yourself to be drawn into the Western way of thinking, The fact of the matter is that this is an internal matter and very suspect at how it started. Who are these rebels? What is their agenda? How different is what they want from what Qaddafi is offering? Where does the West get the moral authority to support one group against another in a domesticated matter unless they are behind the insurgence in the first place?   --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Olabode Ibironke <ibironke@msu.edu> wrote: From: Olabode Ibironke <ibironke@msu.edu> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - President Museveni Discusses Libya &Gaddafi: A Must Read To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 2:11 PM  "I wonder how the US would react if the KKK were to rise up against the 'White House because a black man is the president', as noted by Louis Farrakhan?" Steve Nwabuzor This is the typical clannish mentality that is destroying progressive politics in Africa. All you need to do is invoke neocolonialism [or otherness etc] and suddenly comrades Mugabe and Museveni become heroes and spiritual masters that intellectuals begin to recite. Is the above not the exact content of Gaddafi's letter to Obama when he said 'if Al-Qaida [read KKK] were to challenge your authority tell me what you would do and I would follow your example.' It is thus on the record that in the desperate struggle of people in North Africa to throw off the yoke of oppression, certain AfriKan intellectuals were solidly on the side of their oppressors!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "USA-Africa Dialogue Series" moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin. 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