contentions and him asking me, "From where for the sake of man do you
get these assertions?" as if boy child Cornelius Adebayo only now
just arrived on the planet.
From where?
First of all it is the intention of al-Islam/Muslims, to Islamize not
only the whole of Africa but also to Islamize the whole world. That's
the purpose of dawah
We live in the same world and I'm not aware that I was making any
"assertions", but if that's what you call them then from my point of
view they are not outlandish, or inventions of my imagination – on the
contrary, they are reasonable and commonplace "assertions", nothing
to go to war for or enter a major dispute about. What you call
assertions are general statements of what can be called popular
knowledge, general fears, demographic nightmares (Israeli), even
popular prejudices such as that this and that country is the most
corrupt in the world - not that we have to go for a referendum or
statistics of so many convictions to establish the assertion
scientifically. Or that certain people are racists. In the 90s I used
to read on the walls of public toilets that "All Africans have HIV
aids" Or that so and so is a faggot. And that Louis Farrakhan is an
anti-Semite. The latter is a popular assertion which I get from the
ADL and a general perception of the Jewish community world-wide,
easily endorsed when you examine the evidence.
We - in Europe - are familiar with Islamophobia the new European
racism, fuelled by reports about Human Rights transgressions and the
bloody effects of "Militant Islam" in various parts of the world .I
don't know exactly how it is in Nigeria or Dakar, Senegal where you
are posting from, but I have a fair idea: I met the late Sheikh Hassan
Cisse ( Tijaniyat) from Kaolack a couple of times, have diverse
Senegalese friends, including diplomats, love Mbalax...
The assertions in question ( that you refer to) are
1.That there is a fear in some quarters that Eurabia is just round the
corner. Not without reason. Just watch/ listen to the video of my
favourite journalist, Mark Steyn talking about "The Fall of Europe
and Coming of Eurabia"
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Eurabia
2. Prior to his Libyan crisis Gaddafi was asking for £4 Billion
annually to keep African immigrants out of Europe – he now threatens
to open the floodgates. Take my word for it. I live in Sweden and keep
a check on these things and I'm modestly interested in the history of
Yoruba migrations. Check this out dear Brother Sulaiman:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Gaddafi+%3A+Europe+will+be+Islamized
3. Islam did not start spreading South faster than the Sahara, just
yesterday. Do you know how fast the Sahara is moving South? ( We've
got to plant more trees, even if it's only moving South at a yard a
year.) Islam is also said to be " the fastest growing
religion" ( there's statistics about that ) - not only in Africa , but
in Europe too. It's a phenomenon that's well known so don't get
trapped by the hyperbolic of metaphorical language.- And because of
the rapid spread of Islam in Africa, Christian missionaries -
including the Vatican - are intensifying their efforts as " fishers
of men" fishing for the souls of Africans who might otherwise be lost
to al-Islam.
It's the information age. All this is common knowledge that I've been
familiar with and has been a part of my everyday consciousness for
some time time now. When I arrived in Sweden for the first time, in
the summer of 1970, I knew nothing about Islam – and at that time
there was a solitary prayer centre in Alvik. Today there are mosques
and prayer centres everywhere in Stockholm and Halal meat is flooding
the food markets and 500,000 Muslims live here, today. That's not just
an assertion. It's a fact and if you don't believe me, come and see
for yourself.
For more on the Muslim-Christian interface in Nigeria , I recommend
Professor Falola's "Violence in Nigeria: The Crisis of Religious
Politics and Secular Ideologies" - especially Chapter 2:"The Context:
The Nigerian State In Historical Context"
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%E2%80%9C+Violence+in+Nigeria%3A+The+Crisis+of+religious+politics+and+Secular+ideologies.%E2%80%9D&btnG=Search+Books#hl=en&sa=G&tbo=1&tbm=bks&q=editions:4X4oYdPpXGQC&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=6ddcf4418c6810e8
Wa Salaam,
Cornelius
On Apr 5, 8:45 pm, Sulaiman Adebowale <s_adebow...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Cornelius Hamelberg wrote,"...There are many fears, and although no one has a monopoly on paradise
> ( one man's meat is another man's poison) yet there are genuine
> fears, and not only about Gaddafi unleashing African migrants on the
> greener or blonde pastures of Europe and the eventual Eurabia-ization
> of the EU. In Africa, Islam is spreading south, faster than the
> Sahara desert and in certain quarters there is also fear of the total
> Islamization of Africa. It must surely be these fears and the fear of
> militant Islam that produces phobias such as Islamophobia.
>
> From where for the sake of man do you get these assertions? Until a few months ago, Gaddafi was helping the EU to prevent and monitor African migrants from going to Europe. And where is your source that "Islam is spreading south, faster than the Sahara desert" and this fabled 'genuine' fear of the "total Islamization of Africa"?
>
> Sulaiman Adebowale BP 5637 Dakar-Fann Dakar Senegal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 04:29:48 -0700
> > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - A Report From Abidjan
> > From: corneliushamelb...@gmail.com
> > To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>
> > Dear Kenneth,
>
> > There's so much wisdom and human concern and love at the heart of your
> > posting.
>
> > I won't be saying anything new.
>
> > Isn't this an anti-colonialism and anti-racism Pan- Africanist forum?
>
> > Undoubtedly, your words have gone home in this forum. It reads like a
> > declaration, WE.
>
> > Holding these truths to be self-evident, etc :
>
> > "we need to stand, somehow, collectively in condemnation of politics
> > that
> > permit and encourage the demonization of others, which is the prelude
> > to
> > eradication of people under the guise of the eradication of evil."
>
> > It happened in Nazi Germany.
>
> > "we need to stand, somehow, collectively in condemnation of politics
> > that
> > permit and encourage the demonization of others, which is the prelude
> > to
> > eradication of people under the guise of the eradication of evil. "
>
> > But your concluding paragraph raises a question.
>
> > "i am not asking for balance here, as if that could mean anything
> > under
> > these conditions of uneven distribution of power. i am asking for an
> > anti-fascist front to recognize positions that we won't rationalize,
> > or
> > intellectually tolerate, and to stand against them."
>
> > Balance is always needed even in these conditions of uneven
> > distribution of power, which include media power/ space, free speech &
> > propaganda power., not to mention military power. Specifically, since
> > the idea of a "Clash of Civilisations"caught fire, the differences
> > between people and cultures have been accentuated and for some time
> > even taken centre stage on the world stage, culminating in "Either you
> > are with us or you are with the terrorists" and even once upon a time
> > Bob Dylan :
>
> > "Now there's spiritual warfare and flesh and blood breaking down
> > Ya either got faith or ya got unbelief and there ain't no neutral
> > ground "
>
> > The problem is, in this complex world of human affairs, it's not
> > always easy to determine/ recognize what are the parameters or limits
> > for the demonization of evil. You could help with giving some examples
> > on this. In certain quarters Islam is being demonized as an evil
> > ideology and this has justified the heinous crime of book-burning – in
> > the United States of America of all places. They say that they would
> > prefer to eradicate the ideology that they call al-Islam and not
> > eradicate/exterminate the people ( Muslims) who espouse the ideology.
>
> > It is to be supposed that Pastor Terry Jones would much prefer that
> > the heathen & everybody else convert to his Universal Christianity
>
> > But back to the Ivory Coast where it looks like the North has
> > descended on the South with a vengeance, well armed and with full
> > military force:
>
> >http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Ivory+Coast&btnG=...
>
> > There are certain elements that the Ivory Coast shares with Nigeria -
> > to some extent the North-South reality which also reflects the Islam-
> > Christianity dichotomy and the political and other implications that
> > all such diversity entails. There are also a lot of other differences
> > among which a very significant one is that the Ivory Coast became a
> > member of the Organisation of Islamic Conference in 1999 – whereas
> > Nigeria surprisingly, is not a member of the OIC. Professor Toyin
> > Falola discusses this on pages 97ff of his book " Violence in Nigeria:
> > The Crisis of religious politics and Secular ideologies."
>
> >http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%E2%80%9C+Violence+in+Ni...
>
> > In the Ivory Coast there's much bad blood compounded by a new virus
> > called xenophobia – and therefore, inevitably tribe-al-ism, with
> > Quatarra himself a Jola, being described as a Burkinabe by his rival.
> > Symbolically in the background is the worlds biggest' basilica - The
> > Basilica of Our Lady of Peace of Yamoussoukro, the Ivory Coast's
> > administrative capital.
>
> > Tribal-ism is no less real in Nigeria.
>
> > I'm a realist and an optimist. In Nigeria I do not expect an election
> > entirely devoid of fraud, but we pray for a peaceful, free and fair
> > presidential election in Nigeria and that the results will be
> > credible and therefore acceptable to all parties concerned.
>
> > You would advice caution about swimming in the propaganda ocean of
> > Atlas Shrugs which has a pronounced anti-Islamic bent, mostly based on
> > non-fictional events occurring during our watch, often bringing in
> > their wake not only the unnecessary flow of much blood but also much
> > tragedy and much suffering in Islamic quarters where violence is now
> > the order of the day : Libya, Afghanistan, even occasionally in
> > Nigeria. As you say, "the crimes they are ready to excuse could cost
> > millions of people their lives--as has already happened, in fact, in
> > iraq and afghanistan."
>
> > Well Gaddafi supported Idi Amin didn't he? Basically because Amin was
> > his Muslim Brother. Brother-in-Islam, brother-in- arms.
>
> > There are many fears, and although no one has a monopoly on paradise
> > ( one man's meat is another man's poison) yet there are genuine
> > fears, and not only about Gaddafi unleashing African migrants on the
> > greener or blonde pastures of Europe and the eventual Eurabia-ization
> > of the EU. In Africa, Islam is spreading south, faster than the
> > Sahara desert and in certain quarters there is also fear of the total
> > Islamization of Africa. It must surely be these fears and the fear of
> > militant Islam that produces phobias such as Islamophobia.
>
> > On Apr 5, 3:56 am, kenneth harrow <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
> > > dear cornelius
> > > what happened in douekue is really horrible, and those responsible for
> > > it ought to be punished. it was a crime against humanity in the course
> > > of a burgeoning civil war.
> > > when the fdr came down from the north in rwanda, there were also
> > > killings in the villages, which were reported, and some relatively weak
> > > efforts to assign responsibility and punish those responsible. on the
> > > other hand, the fdr's mission, aside from their original goal of
> > > overthrowing the government, became one of stopping a crime of genocide
> > > which was considerably worse.
> > > perhaps one day, when the facts have been established, responsibility
> > > can be assigned and punishment meted out for douekue, though oh how rare
> > > it is for that to come from the victors. does anyone remember lieutenant
> > > calley, and the joke of the punishment he received for a similar,
> > > perhaps worse crime against humanity, which he committed in vietnam?
>
> > > but i am writing not because of this killing, whose facts have yet to be
> > > established, but the fascist blog which posted its opinion about it, and
> > > especially which feeds an islamophobia that is breathtakingly open about
> > > its hatred of muslims.
> > > we live in a bad political moment, one in which the fascisms of the
> > > 1930s and 1940s, once thought impossibly discredited, have made their
> > > return, at the very heart of midlothian. they are more than pernicious;
> > > they are extremely dangerous, and the crimes they are ready to excuse
> > > could cost millions of people their lives--as has already happened, in
> > > fact, in iraq and afghanistan.
> > > we need to stand, somehow, collectively in condemnation of politics that
> > > permit and encourage the demonization of others, which is the prelude to
> > > eradication of people under the guise of the eradication of evil.
> > > i am not asking for balance here, as if that could mean anything under
> > > these conditions of uneven distribution of power. i am asking for an
> > > anti-fascist front to recognize positions that we won't rationalize, or
> > > intellectually tolerate, and to stand against them.
> > > ken
>
> > > On 4/4/11 8:05 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:
>
> > > > There are all kinds of reports coming out of Abidjan
>
> > > >http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/muslims-slaug...
>
> > > > And after the massacres somebody is going to reign as president over
> > > > the defeated?
>
> > > > On Apr 4, 9:12 pm, "Anunoby, Ogugua"<Anuno...@lincolnu.edu> wrote:
> > > >> Gbagbo more than anyone else must be blamed for what has become of the Ivory Coast since last November's presidential elections. The U. N. midwifed the elections and has acknowledged and recognized Quattara, as the duly elected president. The international community (whatever that means)generally agrees with the U.N. The threat of military action by West African countries has hung over Gbagbo for months now. It is inevitable that this
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