Ikhide my brother,
I have not seen anyone here holding brief for Ghaddafi. I am not yet tired of imperialism since it's operations have not ceased with the cessation of the narratives about it.
We do not need to advocate the nuking of Libya to attain the goal of serving off Ghaddafi. It is the responsibility of the Libyan people and not that of external actors, whose intentions we can never divine.
Dr. phil. Franklyne Emmanuel Ogbunwezeh
Doc,With all due respects, and I admire and love you greatly for your contributions to this merry playground of alleged eggheads, you must stop digging the earth with your head. Ghaddafi is a snake and he must go. I mean, like yesterday. He should have been shot 20 years ago. He got lucky. It is time for him to go and he has chosen death. He will get it. I no longer give a damn about imperialism, blah blah blah. You are staring at the new imperialists, the new slave masters, the new colonialists, you and me and all those who call themselves African intellectuals. We and the political elite are screwing Afica blind. We should probably all be shot. But shooting Ghaddafi is a great start! To hell with him, Mugabe, Museveni, etc etc.- Ikhide--Ikhide,I am sorry you are beginning to sound like a mixture of Val Ojo and One Seattle-based psycho that calls himself Ozodi Osuji.You really need to go back to your drawing board and reanalyze your submissions on this point. Goldman Sachs misappropriated Libya's reserves. And the more the days pass by the more it seems that Gaddafi's ouster is been effected to please some unholy quarters.Time will tell.
Dr. phil. Franklyne Emmanuel Ogbunwezeh--Hopefully, Ghaddafi or whatever the buffoon's name is is a goner soon. I have bought the best bottle of Red I can afford and I am awaiting that day when my good friend, Brother Obama will announce that the rat Comrade Ghaddafi has been buried at sea by "NATO forces." Ghaddafi is a coward and a crook and an asshole. Obama knows where the fool sleeps every night; he is only fattening him for that day when his shrinking polls will demand a human sacrifice. Ask Osama ;-)
To hell with all African Big Men! America, do your job, nuke them to smithereens.
- Ikhide
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:42:20 EDTSubject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Fw: Subject: Anti Obama Brothersken harrow's knee jerk reaction misses the point and veers to the blissfully ignorant choir. the issue here is: a bunch of people sending emails urging the public to boycott products because the businessmen are allegedly anti-obama. so what if they are? is obama a political saint? what is amiss in this politics-as-usual?obama is not above being a political ruffian when he pursues his own expediencies. i offered my reasons, which ken did not debunk because the facts are stubborn: homelessness, crimes, poverty and unemployment are higher in the US than in Libya - yet obama is implicitly pursuing a policy of assassination on the idiotic basis that gaddafi has lost his moral fitness to rule. has America not had presidents who were slave owners? were blacks not sitting behind the buses while america presidents lectured the world on freedom? so what is moral right to rule and by whose definition - anyway?can the nato bombers come to democratic equity with clean, moral hands? is it the moral duty for western super powers to be killing foreign leaders they don't like?why, then, is ken crowing like a vexed hen? ken would be doing himself a favor by demonstrating his "intellectual" prowess through a command of the issue with critical thinking skills. alas, his pedestrian regurgitation leaves me wondering whether he is poised to pick a bone in onitsha market or some other whereabouts. let ken dispute the hard facts in the video below.MsJoeNATO War Against Libya.The video opens with the introduction of some 3 speakers before Minister Farrakhan comes on stage.Click on any of the links below:--msJoe's interventions read like propaganda from ghaddafi's offices. how can you expect to enter into a dialogue with anyone this way?
the question is not why obama waged war in libya, it is why have the arab peoples from egypt to syria to bahrein to yemen to libya risen up against their dictators, found courage to risk their lives and die. the question is, should we stand on the sidelines while the dictators--all of whom we in the west have propped up--continue to repress or slaughter their own people for demonstrating against them.
it was not easy for an american administration to turn against its own ally in egypt. we all saw how obama tried to walk a tightrope between giving lip service to democratic ideals and support for an ally, one we had paid for. that is the fundamental contradiction of the west, one that has always been there: western regimes the heirs themselves of democratic revolutions, conquerors of autocratic rule in two world wars, rhetorical champions of the "free world," also colonial masters and hegemonic powers over the rest of the world.
it is our job as "intellectuals," to use the compromised terms, to join in the counter-hegemonic struggle and discourse, as gramsci would have it--or, if you will, as cabral and fanon would have had it.
that doesn't happen when we get arguments that excuse autocratic dictatorial rulers, starting with the saudis, who also buy off their people, to every one from idi amin to charles taylor, who were brutal rulers.
if we have any progressive role on this list, it is to push western political understandings in the direction of african freedom and african interests. i can't see that happening when we are told to sing the praises of ghaddafi for using some of his oil money, "his" oil money, to grease the palms of a a few lucky libyans.
if i am told that it isn't a few, but all, then i need to understand why this revolution itself took off, why the demonstrations grew, why people risked their lives to end ghaddafi's rule.
i am not going to get the answer from MsJoe's propagandistic postings. i am willing to hear arguments from both sides, but not from closed minds
ken
On 6/25/11 7:54 PM, MsJoe21St@aol.com wrote:For what must tears be shed?Pray, can someone explain why Obama waged war in Libya when Ghaddafi is doing more for his people than Obama has accomplished for the American people?Libya is building homes for Libyans; there are no homeless people in Libya while Americans are sleeping under bridges. America has a higher poverty and crime rate. Education in Libya is free and even though Obama and his NATO allies are destroying Libya's social and economic infrastructure, including orphanages, primary schools and a university they bombed, Libya recently extended scholarships for students studying in the US, including providing them with monthly allowances and for their dependents, too.How many civilians did any partisan opposition kill? But civilians died from Obama's policies and funding for unmanned drones in Libya - and they are still dying from the Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy doctrine of might is right.At least the Koch brothers are not targeting to kill Obama; but assassination has become the tool of Obama and his NATO friends to oust a foreign leader.Would rational and moral people prefer to buy the policies of Obama whose policies are killing civilians in order to advance political ends or the product of a businessman bent on playing politics to defeat a politician?The ignorance here is the woeful and blind support for Obama. The hypocrisy is not lost on the informed.--From: Lewis, Vera [mailto:VLEWIS@houstonisd.org]
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