in this case, there is a countervailing argument. let me ask, how many years was habre in power, and how many suffering under him? how long should a people have to accept an autocracy, and whom would you support when, say, castro came out of the mountains? between batista and castro, most people i knew supported castro.
there are two sides to this argument; neither is perfect, neither choice ultimately easy.
but between seeing the arab spring squashed, or succeeding, i would incline in favor of it.
to show how inconsistent i am, i would not favor a nato intervention in all those other places, like bahrain, or syria, because the risk of domination, under current conditions, seems far too great.
that leaves me at a loss, say, with respect to syria, where the tenacity and courage of the springtime rebels seems unlimited
ken
On 7/29/11 4:08 AM, Pablo wrote:
As one wit put it, the real question is was he killed democratically? In all seriousness, however, having just gotten back from the Europa, where, with few exceptions, like our people down south, states are reeling from one crisis to another, they tried to incite a "revolution" of their own in region that they previously held in thrall and induced a civil war. It is one to seek liberation from one autocrat; is another to want to tear a country apart on the basis of spurious claims.
I hold many people on this wonderful forum in high regard, regardless of my occasionalpolemics against and disagreements with them. We learn so much from each other, from our specialisms, but also from the insights of our generalities, even when we are mistaken about what we know very well, and what we know very little about, but about which we are often unafraid to speak. Let it always be that way. However, in my shamelessness about never fearing about being proven wrong, I nonetheless remain firm about one thing: it is a rare thing that good things come from those with bad intent, even, indeed especially, in the name of that which is supposed to be good. It's called colonialism.
Pablo----According to the carnage liberation, anyone who does not fight in rebel controlled area would be arrested. I am sure Dave Cameron is inspecting his handwork of democracy in Libya. Where is Ma Clinton? She is busy with debt ceilings to give more money for democratic influence.=======================================================================================================
Libyan rebels say military commander killed
By RAMI Al-SHAHEIBI - Associated Press | AP – 49 mins ago
A journalist adjusts a microphone during a press conference held by Libyan Deputy …BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — The head of the Libyan rebel's armed forces and two of his aides were killed by gunmen Thursday, the head of the rebel leadership said.The death of Abdel-Fattah Younis was announced at a press conference in the de facto rebel capital, Benghazi, by the head of the rebels' National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil. He told reporters that rebel security had arrested the head of the group behind the killing.Rebel security had arrested Younis and two of his aides early Thursday from their operations room near the rebels' eastern front. Security officials said at the time that Younis was to be questioned about suspicions his family still had ties to Moammar Gadhafi's regime.Younis was Gadhafi's interior minister before defecting to the rebels early in the uprising, which began in February.Abdel-Jalil said that Younis had been summoned for questioning regarding "a military matter." He said Younis and his two aides were shot before they arrived for questioning.Abdel-Jalil called Younis "one of the heroes of the 17th of February revolution," a name marking the date of early protests against Gadhafi's regime.While he criticized Gadhafi for seeking to break the unity of rebel forces, he did not say directly that Younis' killers were associated with the regime. Instead, he issued a stiff warning about "armed groups" in rebel-held cities, saying they needed to join the fight against Gadhafi or risk being arrested by security forces.Follow Yahoo! News on Twitter, become a fan on
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