From: BENJAMINA <baduba54@yahoo.com>
Date: 12 July 2011 16:33
Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Nigerians and Nose Poking... ayo.city - Re:Amazing Differences BTW Nigeria and Libya-Not On Mainstream
To: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com
CLINTON SAYS ASSAD LOST LEGITIMACY AFTER MOB ATTACKS EMBASSY
Who has legitimacy Ms. Clinton or Mr. Assad? If Ms. Clinton thought that Mr. Assad had legitimacy before the Syrians attacked the US embassy why was her country inciting the rebellion against a legitimate government of Assad? US also had asserted that Kaddafi was illegitimate. If the men, Kaddafi and Assad are illegitimate should US and EU countries believe that those leaders should protect their embassies?
To expect those illegitimate regimes to protect their nationals and their embassies would be conferring legitimacy on them, logic would dictate, or would it not?
The West has two options in these Middle East and African countries' evolutionary challenges:
- The leaders of these countries are legitimate and should be treated as such. The citizens would be encouraged to solve their domestic issues in accordance with the constitutions they have.
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- The leaders of these countries are illegitimate and the West would recall their ambassadors from these countries and would not except these illegitimate leaders to protect their nationals or their other interests in these countries
It is either option one or option two but not half of one and half of two. It does not come in halves. The foreign policy of sovereign nations is the decision of sovereign nations leaders, so if they believe that a close relationship with Iran is in their national interest, those nations must be allowed to pursue such relationships and other sovereign nations need not interfere with such pursuits because to do otherwise would imply that the nations are not mature or wise enough to know what their national interests are. Syria is a nation that was in existence long before the birth of Christ, more than 2,000 years ago. Should a 300 year old America be telling Syria and Libya how to conduct international business when their forefathers had established how such business should be conducted? EU and US thinking dovetails into what the Igbo think of a son who is bragging that he has had a son before his father. Not smart. It is uncivilized.
In earlier times nations pledged to respect the sovereignty of each other; to allow nations to solve their problems within their borders by internal procedures; and in return sovereign nations pledged to protect the foreign interest within their borders including embassies. This mutual concord made it possible for international diplomacy to be conducted, but once one nation is in the business of undermining the authority or the leaders of sovereign nations the trust on which international diplomacy was built begins to totter; peaceful engagement becomes difficult; and international peace is engendered.
It is a well known dictum that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend and that the friend of my enemy is my enemy". EU and US on the one hand and the Mid East leaders on the other hand are playing this dangerous game to the hilt. Israel is the enemy of many Mid East countries and US and EU are Israeli friends. US and EU are therefore their enemies. Iran is the enemy of America and EU therefore Iran is their friend. I find it difficult to understand why Ms. Clinton would not remember this ancient dictum. Every country has dissidents. Martin Luther King Jr. was once a dissident leader; there are dissidents in France and all over EU, China, India, Nigeria, etc.
EU and US have a choice of who to support in any political divide, but they must recognize that once that choice is made they automatically become the enemy of the other side. They will not be able to be friends with the Jonathan government if they start to support MENDS or Boko Harem and it would be naïve to expect that President Jonathan would start protecting their embassies and interests in Nigeria.
That is how our world is run. The enemy of my enemy…
Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba
Boston, Massachusetts
July 11, 2011
--- In NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com, peter opara <ogbuonyeiro@...> wrote:
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> Toyin, do you know any of these rebels? Did Ghadafi wake up one morning and began bombing and shooting Libyans? When a people take up arms against their government and begin destroying public property for whatever reasons, what do you expect government to do, fold its arms? Time for Ghadafi to go, that is alright; but who are David Cameron and Sokozy to tell Ghadafi when to go or even to leave his country. What has Cameron and Sakozy ever did for Libyans? Is it road they gave Libyans? Water? Health institutions? Schools? Scholarships? Houses? Now, look at your own Nigeria for all of its 50 years. Would you not desire a Ghaddafi who invested public monies for public good for Nigeria? Nigerians do know to poke nose at others' homes, when theirs is nothing to write home about.
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> From: toyin adepoju toyin.adepoju@...
> Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: ayo.city - Re:Amazing Differences BTW Nigeria and Libya-Not On Mainstream
> To: "usaafricadialogue" USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com, "dandalin siyasa" dandalin-siyasa@yahoogroups.com, naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com, "NigerianID@yahoogroups.com" nigerianid@yahoogroups.com, "Edo-nationality" edo-nationality@yahoogroups.com, "Edo Global" Edo_Global@yahoogroups.com, ngpolitics@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 7:01 AM
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> The whole problem started bcs Gaddafi was murdering
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> The sun has set for Gaddafi's dictatorship and time is ticking steadily for that of others in the Arab world.
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> Yes. The West is often duplicitous. Yes, if they dont hope to gain from this and turn a profit, too, I would be shocked and revise my understanding of international politics. But no one else is going to make sure Gaddafi does not just swallow the dissenting Libyans.
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> Cuba seems to remain socially and economically moribund because one revolutionary insists that he and his family must rule forever and that the people cannot be allowed to elect their own leaders. China will have to take stock of its own militarized paternalism, in which a closed group, unelected by anyone, determines the fate of the country. When the present generation have had their fill of so called material well being China is being lauded for, they might look inward and see that they are really prisoners in a cage, a pleasant cage, but a cage nevertheless.
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> On 12 July 2011 11:43, toyin adepoju toyin.adepoju@... wrote:
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> Some other facts (that mainstream media will never disclose) about Gaddafi and Libya
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> Loans to Libyan citizens are given with NO interest.
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> Students would get paid the average salary for the profession they are studying for.
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> If you are unable to get employment the state would pay the full salary as if you were employed until you find employment.
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> When you get married the couple gets an apartment or house for free from the Government.
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> You could go to college anywhere in the world. The state pays 2,500 euros plus accommodation and car allowance.
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> The cars are sold at factory cost.
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> Libya does not owe money, (not a cent) to anyone. No creditors.
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> Free education and health care for all citizens.
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> 25 of the population with a university degree.
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> No beggars on the streets and nobody is homeless (until the recent bombing).
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> No wonder the US and other capitalist countries do not like Libya. Gaddafi would not consent to taking loans from IMF or World Bank at high interest rates. In other words Libya was INDEPENDENT That is the real reason for the war in Libya He may be a dictator, but that isnot the US problem. Also Gaddafi called on all Oil producing countries NOT to accept payment for oil in USD or Euros. He recommended that oil get paid for in GOLD and that would have bankrupted just about every
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> Remember the last time someone had the NERVE to make a similar statement was when Saddam Hoosein advised all Opec countries not to accept payment for oil in US Dollars. Well, we all know what happened to him . Yes, they HUNG HIM....click here to read more on this topic: http://ngmix.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=2
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