Monday, July 23, 2012

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: CNN Breaking News.....Lesson on Libya

Peace John, 


I attended UCLA, class of '99 (I was a transfer student from Compton College and I caught the bus from Inglewood, my hometown, everyday so I didn't know lots of folks). Anywho, I signed up for a class with the highly touted British scholar, and expert on all things African, Merrick Posnansky. Prof. Posnansky was about 5 minutes into his first llecture when he calls the ancient Egyptians "Caucasoids." I raised my hand and (politely) challenged him. We went back and forth for some time and I refused to concede. At the end class I stopped at his desk for more debate, after which he suggested that I drop the class. I did, and that was that. Around that same time (1999), another highly regarded UCLA professor, Jared Diamond, published his famous book Guns, Germs, and Steel. Chapter 19 is titled "How Africa Became Black." In that chapter he argues that the ancient Egyptians were "white." The struggle continues. kzs


On Monday, July 23, 2012 6:48:10 AM UTC-4, ProfHist wrote:
Back in the '70s some recently arrived Libyan exchange students accosted me for writing a letter to the student newspaper at UCLA asserting that there was evidence the ancient Egyptians were black. They insisted that the ancient Egyptians had been white.

"You probably think you're white, too." I said.

"Yeah, I am Arab, I am white."

I pointed out that the president of the black students' association, who had written the letter touching off the whole debate about the race of the ancient Egyptians in the campus newspaper, was lighter than they were.

They were stunned.

Race is a socially defined term that varies from society to society. Human races are not biologically separate, and were we any species but our own we wouldn't be talking about races at all.

On Jul 23, 2012, at 1:28 PM, kwame zulu shabazz wrote:

> Point of clarification:
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> Re my previous post: I stated that Libyans would not pass for "white" in the USA, but I should have also noted that it is the official policy of the US govt to classify as "white" all North African immigrants, regardless of phenotype. kzs
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> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:13:56 PM UTC-4, Abdul Karim Bangura wrote:
> And where is the hypocritical Arab League?  Indeed, Libyans are mostly Afrikan, not white Arabs, who are a tiny minority.
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