Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - CALL FOR ACTION ON WIKIPEDIA ESSAYSON LITERATURE

Dear Oluwatoyin Adepoju,

Since there is a vehicle which facilitates dialogue with the powers
that be in Wikipedia, I'm confident that you will prevail in the
battle "to upgrade the essay on the Gyaman/Adinkra
(Ghanian ethnicities) visual symbol system Adinkra" All that could be
necessary is that you might have to amend the language in which you
convey your opinions - ( it might be too strident?
Controversial? ).Relatively speaking (compared to whom?) not being
that poor in imagination,I imagine that if the skeleton of Martin
Bernal's original thesis Black Athena had been first presented as a
wikipedia entry -.-with or without much venom, suddenly, out of
somewhere Mary Lefkowitz and allies - all those who contributed
dissenting articles to "Black Athena Revisited"would have also popped
up out of the blue to criticize, teach, amend, preach, correct, modify
and where they deemed it necessary, to obliterate anything they
objected to as standing in the way and and as Professor Bolaji Aluko
usually says, " And there you have it!": Martin Bernal would find
himself in the same quandary as Oluwatoyin Adepoju, who is presently
now shuffering but not shmiling....

Mary:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mary+Lefkowitz&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=Mary+Lefkowitz&hl=en&client=firefox-a&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=vid&source=lnt&tbs=dur:l&sa=X&ei=BrLmUPPEIomQ4gTBvYC4Cw&ved=0CBsQpwUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bGE&fp=2395cf992760c630&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=614

Mary & allies:
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=22&gs_id=b&xhr=t&q=Black+Athena+Revisited&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Black+Athena+Revisited&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bGE&fp=da51af1112b196c&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=614

To some extent Wikipedia must be a democratic institution. There is a
structure to Wikipedia : they must have a chairman (a central
committee?) and a board of directors, a governing body which decides,
approves, permits and edits entries. Those who have any hassles with
them could take it up with them directly. Perhaps a phone call or two
will settle the issue. It usually does ( a phone call or two – but be
cool on the phone)

It's all here, the rules of the game : Wikipedia, the free
encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=3&gs_id=4o&xhr=t&q=Wikipedia&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Wik&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bGE&fp=da51af1112b196c&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=614

This is what's written about Sir Henry Josiah Lightfoot Boston:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Josiah_Lightfoot_Boston

Prior to which there was a one sentence entry which claimed that Sir
Henry was a British diplomat who succeeded Sir Maurice Dorman....

I should also like to take the opportunity to point out what may or
may not be true: that it is not to be automatically or racially
assumed that the black man/woman has better knowledge or understanding
of all things African – or connected with the birthplace of much of
mankind. And that there is no Oyibo that's omniscient, yet their
points of view and understandings are valuable contributions to our
own total understanding and here I'm thinking of people like Michael
Crowder, ( History of Nigeria) Susanne Wenger ( Yoruba art, religion,
culture) Ulli Beier ( drama, literature) Robin Horton (Kalabari
sculpture) Richard Greenfield ( History of Ethiopia) Gerald Moore
(U'tamsi)) Leo Spitzer ( history of Sierra Leone Creoles) Abner
Cohen( sociology Africa) to name just a few

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMOVyIBI2SY




On Jan 3, 11:47 pm, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thanks but can you clarify this, Cornelius?
>
> ' fail to see why it should not be possible for Mwalimu Oluwatoyin Adepoju
> himself to make whatever modifications, amendments or further editing of
> his own material that is featured in Wikipedia.'
>
> im puzzled about the 'his own material'
>
> just want to understand what you are thinking
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <
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> corneliushamelb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I could be missing something of vital importance here but I do hope
> > that I've got it right, since to begin with, I don't know exactly
> > where this thread started. I have no experience in these matters
> > whatsoever ( volunteering to edit anything in Wikipedia or correcting
> > any mistakes in Wikileaks) but I fail to see why it should not be
> > possible for Mwalimu Oluwatoyin Adepoju himself to make whatever
> > modifications, amendments or further editing of his own material that
> > is featured in Wikipedia.
>
> > The only problem that should be anticipated is problems with the
> > accuracy of different/ differing understandings when it comes to
> > comparative matters, be it comparative philosophy, comparative
> > religion etc.  comparing Jesus with Muhammad ( the one allegedly
> > unmarried, the other a man of thirteen wives)
>
> > I take at least one step backwards when I encounter someone who does
> > not claim to be an advanced student or practitioner of Kabbalah
> > comparing Kabbalah with other systems. It makes me nervous, but I
> > should not be nervous since I'm not even a beginner, a dilettante or
> > even a mere a meddler or dabbler in such esoteric matters.
>
> >http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=8&gs...
>
> > "In recent years It has been widely admitted that the more complex
> > states of mind, passions, and emotions do often need to be
> > investigated by the subject, and the elements and aspects  seen as a
> > pattern before a man can  be sure what they are , even  though they
> > are his own  states of mind "
>
> > Stuart Hampshire's " Some Difficulties in knowing" From " Philosophy,
> > Science  and Method " edited by Sidney Morgenbesser, Patrick Suppes
> > and Morton White ( New York : St. Martinäs press, Inc; London and
> > Basingstoke: Macmillan 1969
>
> >http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=47&g...
>
> > As to the biographical,I received this link by e-mail at 1504 this
> > afternoon:
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> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinga_Seisay#Early_life
>
> > There is always room for contributing additional details and who
> > better at doing that than the subject of the entry, himself?
>
> > On 3 Jan, 19:38, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Food for thought
>
> > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <
>
> > > corneliushamelb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > From the balcony: an aside not meant to be integrated with the main
> > > > body of mwalimismi  discourse.
>
> > > > What is a fact?
>
> > > > Who is an expert and is the facticity of being an expert by self-
> > > > appointment only?
>
> > > >https://www.google.se/search?q=facticity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=o.
> > ..
>
> > > > I haven't zapped through all the entries in this learned thread but
> > > > should just like to add that there is  and can be great or little
> > > > disagreements about the kinds of information that even Sheikh Bangura
> > > > would call  "kosher" (for instance there's a lot of re-hashed Biblical
> > > > stories that re-surface in the Quran – which from a strictly holy
> > > > kosher point of view is not kosher, some would even say that it  is
> > > > TREIF ) and this only emphasizes the fact that even the experts – I
> > > > mean real experts be it in the field of Mathematics or computer
> > > > science, US or Middle East politics, economics, the Hebrew Language,
> > > > hieroglyphics or linguistics, that even the top experts disagree, and
> > > > in some  encyclopedias the story of some of these these disagreements
> > > > - divergent points of view are accommodated, favourably or
> > > > unfavourably.
>
> > > > In 1966 or thereabout we waded through what was part of the syllabus
> > > > requirement, Chomsky's transformational grammar - which he
> > > > subsequently either debunked or deserted, indeed "the old order
> > > > changeth" - so some old facts give place to new. - old  attitudes,
> > > > opinions or facts become non-facts are displaced by new facts or
> > > > opinions based on new facts just look at what's happening with
> > > > Einstein's theory of relativity  - which I do not pretend to
> > > > understand..
>
> > > > The Encyclopedia Britannica for instance is not devoid of elements
> > > > known as propaganda. The Encyclopedia Judaica is of course certified
> > > > Kosher.
>
> > > >https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=+Encyclopedia+.
> > ..
>
> > > > I suppose that of particular interest to members of this forum are the
> > > > various entries in Africana encyclopedias. What is interesting here is
> > > > that since it's not every tom dick and harry who wants to have the
> > > > last word or say-so in Africana matters that is necessarily qualified
> > > > to be that last word , inevitably there's bound to be many mistakes,
> > > > especially having people who tend to want to teach their own  personal
> > > > political opinions, persuasions  or prejudices as preferred facts. The
> > > > recent and still on-going controversies swirling around Martin
> > > > Bernal's Black Athena and all the matters arising thereof is an still
> > > > an issue of distinguishing between myths ( including self -
> > > > perpetuating myths) and "facts" of history.
>
> > > > In  having to choose between studying Literature or history  - I chose
> > > > literature and still continue to look upon much of history as mere
> > > > gossip....
>
> > > > The historians may puff and sigh  Jesus did/did not die on the cross
> > > > etc. did or did not ascend beyond the sky  which from a literary but
> > > > maybe not a hagiographic point of view is merely ignorance and the
> > > > imagination working together to the point where  mystification (myth
> > > > +fiction ) merges with historical fiction to produce "new"scripture
>
> > > > How does Wikipedia deal with this? I don't think that we will find the
> > > > truth of the matter there.
>
> > > > Nota Bene: "...the Torah is not a history book,  but charter of Man's
> > > > mission in the universe" - ( Stone edition introduction to Parasshas
> > > > Bereishis)
>
> > > >http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
>
> > > > On Jan 3, 4:13 am, "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)"
> > > > <emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu> wrote:
> > > > > I plan to go in and delete/  transform chunks of the next article you
> > > > publish on wikipedia to make my point. Be warned
> > > > >  and take it with a smile.
>
> > > > > Professor Gloria Emeagwaliwww.africahistory.net<
> > > >http://www.africahistory.net/>www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<
> > > >http://www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> > > > > Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [
> > > > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU [
> > > > tva...@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:55 PM
> > > > > To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - CALL FOR ACTION ON
> > WIKIPEDIA
> > > > ESSAYSON LITERATURE
>
> > > > > Thanks,Mario.
>
> > > > > Emeagwali,
>
> > > > > I will lie if I say I don't find your laconic style here delightful
> > but
> > > > I wonder if one day you might wish to comment on the issue you address
> > as
> > > > reflecting Bangura's point about inadequately refereed articles being
> > > > deleted as his was, thereby demonstrating the (potential?)  rigour of
> > > > Wikipedia.
>
> > > > > thanks
> > > > > toyin
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <
> > > > emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu<mailto:emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu>> wrote:
> > > > > 'I cant find it since the Wikipedia article on it has been deleted
> > > > ......."
>
> > > > > Building castles in the sand is fun, fun fun.
>
> > > > > Professor Gloria Emeagwaliwww.africahistory.net<
> > > >http://www.africahistory.net><http://www.africahistory.net/>
> > > >www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<
> >http://www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos><
> > > >http://www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> > > > > Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > > > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> > > > <mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of OLUWATOYIN
> > > > ADEPOJU [tva...@gmail.com<mailto:tva...@gmail.com>]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:47 AM
> > > > > To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > > > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - CALL FOR ACTION ON
> > WIKIPEDIA
> > > > ESSAYSON LITERATURE
>
> > > > > Bangura,
>
> > > > > please send us this essay as quickly as possible.
>
> > > > > 'Nabuderian Pluridisciplinary Methodology'
>
> > > > > I cant find it since the Wikipedia article on it has been deleted as
> > > > your comments suggested-
>
> > > > > toyin
>
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Abdul Bangura
>
> ...
>
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