' fail to see why it should not be possible for Mwalimu Oluwatoyin Adepoju himself to make whatever modifications, amendments or further editing of his own material that is featured in Wikipedia.'
im puzzled about the 'his own material'
just want to understand what you are thinking
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
I could be missing something of vital importance here but I do hope
that I've got it right, since to begin with, I don't know exactly
where this thread started. I have no experience in these matters
whatsoever ( volunteering to edit anything in Wikipedia or correcting
any mistakes in Wikileaks) but I fail to see why it should not be
possible for Mwalimu Oluwatoyin Adepoju himself to make whatever
modifications, amendments or further editing of his own material that
is featured in Wikipedia.
The only problem that should be anticipated is problems with the
accuracy of different/ differing understandings when it comes to
comparative matters, be it comparative philosophy, comparative
religion etc. comparing Jesus with Muhammad ( the one allegedly
unmarried, the other a man of thirteen wives)
I take at least one step backwards when I encounter someone who does
not claim to be an advanced student or practitioner of Kabbalah
comparing Kabbalah with other systems. It makes me nervous, but I
should not be nervous since I'm not even a beginner, a dilettante or
even a mere a meddler or dabbler in such esoteric matters.
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=8&gs_id=7&xhr=t&q=Kabbalah&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Kabbalah&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bGE&fp=da51af1112b196c&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=614
"In recent years It has been widely admitted that the more complex
states of mind, passions, and emotions do often need to be
investigated by the subject, and the elements and aspects seen as a
pattern before a man can be sure what they are , even though they
are his own states of mind "
Stuart Hampshire's " Some Difficulties in knowing" From " Philosophy,
Science and Method " edited by Sidney Morgenbesser, Patrick Suppes
and Morton White ( New York : St. Martinäs press, Inc; London and
Basingstoke: Macmillan 1969
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=47&gs_id=7&xhr=t&q=Stuart+Hampshire+%3A+Some+Difficulties+in+Knowing&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Stuart+Hampshire+:+Some+Difficulties+in+Knowing&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bGE&fp=da51af1112b196c&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=614
As to the biographical,I received this link by e-mail at 1504 this
afternoon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinga_Seisay#Early_life
There is always room for contributing additional details and who
better at doing that than the subject of the entry, himself?
On 3 Jan, 19:38, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Food for thought
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> corneliushamelb...@gmail.com> wrote:> >https://www.google.se/search?q=facticity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=o...
> > From the balcony: an aside not meant to be integrated with the main
> > body of mwalimismi discourse.
>
> > What is a fact?
>
> > Who is an expert and is the facticity of being an expert by self-
> > appointment only?
>
>> >https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=+Encyclopedia+...
> > I haven't zapped through all the entries in this learned thread but
> > should just like to add that there is and can be great or little
> > disagreements about the kinds of information that even Sheikh Bangura
> > would call "kosher" (for instance there's a lot of re-hashed Biblical
> > stories that re-surface in the Quran – which from a strictly holy
> > kosher point of view is not kosher, some would even say that it is
> > TREIF ) and this only emphasizes the fact that even the experts – I
> > mean real experts be it in the field of Mathematics or computer
> > science, US or Middle East politics, economics, the Hebrew Language,
> > hieroglyphics or linguistics, that even the top experts disagree, and
> > in some encyclopedias the story of some of these these disagreements
> > - divergent points of view are accommodated, favourably or
> > unfavourably.
>
> > In 1966 or thereabout we waded through what was part of the syllabus
> > requirement, Chomsky's transformational grammar - which he
> > subsequently either debunked or deserted, indeed "the old order
> > changeth" - so some old facts give place to new. - old attitudes,
> > opinions or facts become non-facts are displaced by new facts or
> > opinions based on new facts just look at what's happening with
> > Einstein's theory of relativity - which I do not pretend to
> > understand..
>
> > The Encyclopedia Britannica for instance is not devoid of elements
> > known as propaganda. The Encyclopedia Judaica is of course certified
> > Kosher.
>
>
> > I suppose that of particular interest to members of this forum are the
> > various entries in Africana encyclopedias. What is interesting here is
> > that since it's not every tom dick and harry who wants to have the
> > last word or say-so in Africana matters that is necessarily qualified
> > to be that last word , inevitably there's bound to be many mistakes,
> > especially having people who tend to want to teach their own personal
> > political opinions, persuasions or prejudices as preferred facts. The
> > recent and still on-going controversies swirling around Martin
> > Bernal's Black Athena and all the matters arising thereof is an still
> > an issue of distinguishing between myths ( including self -
> > perpetuating myths) and "facts" of history.
>
> > In having to choose between studying Literature or history - I chose
> > literature and still continue to look upon much of history as mere
> > gossip....
>
> > The historians may puff and sigh Jesus did/did not die on the cross
> > etc. did or did not ascend beyond the sky which from a literary but
> > maybe not a hagiographic point of view is merely ignorance and the
> > imagination working together to the point where mystification (myth
> > +fiction ) merges with historical fiction to produce "new"scripture
>
> > How does Wikipedia deal with this? I don't think that we will find the
> > truth of the matter there.
>
> > Nota Bene: "...the Torah is not a history book, but charter of Man's
> > mission in the universe" - ( Stone edition introduction to Parasshas
> > Bereishis)
>
> >http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
>
> > On Jan 3, 4:13 am, "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)"
> > <emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu> wrote:
> > > I plan to go in and delete/ transform chunks of the next article you
> > publish on wikipedia to make my point. Be warned
> > > and take it with a smile.
>
> > > Professor Gloria Emeagwaliwww.africahistory.net<
> >http://www.africahistory.net/>www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<
> >http://www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> > > Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU [
> > tva...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:55 PM
> > > To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - CALL FOR ACTION ON WIKIPEDIA
> > ESSAYSON LITERATURE
>
> > > Thanks,Mario.
>
> > > Emeagwali,
>
> > > I will lie if I say I don't find your laconic style here delightful but
> > I wonder if one day you might wish to comment on the issue you address as
> > reflecting Bangura's point about inadequately refereed articles being
> > deleted as his was, thereby demonstrating the (potential?) rigour of
> > Wikipedia.
>
> > > thanks
> > > toyin
> > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <
> > emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu<mailto:emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu>> wrote:
> > > 'I cant find it since the Wikipedia article on it has been deleted
> > ......."
>
> > > Building castles in the sand is fun, fun fun.
>
> > > Professor Gloria Emeagwaliwww.africahistory.net<
> >http://www.africahistory.net><http://www.africahistory.net/>
> >www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<http://www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos><
> >http://www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> > > Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> > <mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of OLUWATOYIN
> > ADEPOJU [tva...@gmail.com<mailto:tva...@gmail.com>]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:47 AM
> > > To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - CALL FOR ACTION ON WIKIPEDIA
> > ESSAYSON LITERATURE
>
> > > Bangura,
>
> > > please send us this essay as quickly as possible.
>
> > > 'Nabuderian Pluridisciplinary Methodology'
>
> > > I cant find it since the Wikipedia article on it has been deleted as
> > your comments suggested-
>
> > > toyin
>
> > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Abdul Bangura <th...@earthlink.net
> > <mailto:th...@earthlink.net><mailto:th...@earthlink.net<mailto:
> > th...@earthlink.net>>> wrote:
> > > Mwalimu Basil Ogochukwu, you are partially correct. But you ignore the
> > fact that Wikipedia editors frequently check entries, additions, etc. to
> > make sure that they are kosher and properly referenced. If they are not,
> > they are deleted. Any reader can also challenge entries, additions, etc.
> > and tabled for discussion and deletion, if found lacking credibility.
>
> > > In fact, my entry titled "Nabuderian Pluridisciplinary Methodology,"
> > which I also posted on this USA-Africa Dialogue forum, has been flagged for
> > deletion only because most of the citations are from my essays and two are
> > from Mwalimu Nabudere's essays which do not provide enough details on the
> > methodology. So my fellow editors challenged the entry on the basis that I
> > am promoting my own work.
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: basil ugochukwu<mailto:ugochukw...@yahoo.com<mailto:
> > ugochukw...@yahoo.com>>
> > > To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com><mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>>
> > > Sent: 1/1/2013 9:27:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - CALL FOR ACTION ON WIKIPEDIA
> > ESSAYSON LITERATURE
>
> > > First is to be sure we understand how Wikipedia functions as a source of
> > information. One of the most significant counsels I have received in the
> > past is never to place too much confidence in Wikipedia information. I
> > avoid the source like the proverbial plague and I know many who do as well.
> > All materials are subject to arbitrary revision by sundry passersby through
> > the site. This makes the tracking of quality difficult or completely absent
> > in a worst case scenario. Wikipedia describes itself as a "free
> > encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Except you have a guarantee that a
> > passerby wouldn't edit meaning out of your carefully executed idea of
> > authenticity, your project would seem rather a waste of time. While
> > Wikipedia could be useful to confirm what is already well known, it is
> > useless (in my opinion) as vehicle for authenticity the way you have
> > elaborated. This is for the simple reason that you have no control over the
> > information you are providing however much you try.
>
> > > Basil
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tva...@gmail.com<mailto:tva...@gmail.com
> > ><mailto:tva...@gmail.com<mailto:tva...@gmail.com>>>
> > > To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com><mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>>" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> > <mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com><mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:
> > usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>>>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 7:40:00 PM
>
> > > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - CALL FOR ACTION ON WIKIPEDIA
> > ESSAYS ON LITERATURE
>
> > > I will respond only because it seems some people might not have
> > understood my point, going by this response.
>
> > > I am asking everyone who can to participate in the project.
>
> > > toyin
>
> > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Ikhide <xoki...@yahoo.com<mailto:
>
> ...
>
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