I take to heart the duplicity of the international community that seems to some of us as no more than a patchy work to solve problems. I am in full agreement with you. However, sense of many Congolese in the region is that Eastern Congo is paying for the inaction that allowed the 1994 Genocide. 6 million and counting. For the first time when some real actions against Rwanda were taken everyone saw some gleam of hope. If this new strategy is on the same trajectory we cannot but have more hope. M23 is just a name of the same actors who have been at work for the past 15 years. Whatever lull that seems to prevail is nothing but an illusion. One of the ways to peace I taking on these bad guys (they are many) and get their backers to face their misdeeds. The Congolese is ineffective for many reasons including Kabila's inability to build up an effective army. The so called peace accords were nothing but traps bc anyone could reitegrate the national army including thugs, rapers and foreign informants. Experts believe that the army is so infiltratred by foreign informants that it is incapble to fulfill its primary mission, that of allowing people to go work in their fields. If this is the beginning of a change of the course, we can only rejoice. In fact it is overdue. Kasongo Kapanga
Pablo Idahosa <pidahosa@yorku.ca> wrote:
I only passed this on because, I suspect, many people are unaware of the complexity of the, yes, scary circumstances that both of you might be more well aware of than myself. However, without hopefully sounding too conspiratorial, the tacit implication here is that the conduit for enforcing is set up by the US that does not have a good track record of resolving very much anywhere, let alone Africa. If there's talk about irrational (what does that mean, or do you mean he appears contradictory?), it is no more contradictory, but ultimately realpolitik, for the US to support Kagame's seat of the Security council, and then turn around and tickle his knuckles over the M23, amongst others. My understanding is that Rwanda supports the US use (they mean even have a base for) US drones. As to US sanctions, and "real" sanctions, what are they Ken, and how, or what is the form that has been followed by the UK, Belgium and Europe [the EU]? That is, why would Kagame listen to players who in many ways are less important than they once were in the region? So, to the extent that the ravages and rampages of the M23 thugs can and should be stopped, who would not support that? Again, though, for those who are from there, and others who know better than me, my understanding is that the attacks have abated, and they (the M23) have more or less have imploded, though not gone away. Any military intervention, albeit with nice, new shinny uniforms, always means more guns circulating, but we'll see, and hopefully you are both right.
Pablo
On 2013-04-25 4:55 PM, kenneth harrow wrote:
pablo
i don't know why you say scary. scary would be not to intervene to stop m23 and mmai mai and the other militias whose ravages can't be controlled b y the present weak congolese army or monuc.
the interview is irrational. this won't further militarize the region by opposing militias.
the speaker calls for sanctioning rwanda; i agree. then he downplays the first serious american sanctions last spring, which were followed by real sanctions by u.k., belgium and europe.
ken
On 4/25/13 2:49 PM, Kapanga, Kasongo wrote:
--Being from Congo and knowing the amounts of weapons in circulation in the region, I don't know what "further militarize Congo" means while M23 thugs are terrorizing peasants and mercilessly stealing from them. Anything worse will happen that has not yet happened?
Kasongo Kapanga
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Idahosa
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:53 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: UN Sanctioned Congo "Intervention Brigades" Complement US Africa Strategy
Scary stuff, indeed.
P.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
UN Sanctioned Congo "Intervention Brigades" Complement US Africa Strategy
Date:
Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:06:00 -0400
From:
Brian K. Murphy <brian@radicalroad.com>
To:
Pablo Idahosa <pidahosa@yorku.ca>
Brian K. Murphy wrote:
P. por ti. Cosas de miedo, como siempre.
B
*UN Sanctioned Congo "Intervention Brigades" Complement US Africa Strategy*
/*Maurice Carney: 3,000 member force intervention will further militarize Congo; US has power to sanction rebel-backers Rwanda and Uganda, but will not because they are allies in American AFRICOM strategy*/
/*
*/
/*Watch video report at:*/
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10135UN Sanctioned Congo "Intervention Brigades" Complement US Africa Strategy
Maurice Carney: 3,000 member force intervention will further militarize Congo; US has power to sanction rebel-backers Rwanda and Uganda, but will not because they are allies in American AFRICOM strategy
Watch video report at:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10135
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the "USA-Africa Dialogue Series" moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin.
For current archives, visit http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
For previous archives, visit http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue-
unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialogue+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
You received this message because you are subscribed to the "USA-Africa Dialogue Series" moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin.
For current archives, visit http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
For previous archives, visit http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue-
unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialogue+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
-- kenneth w. harrow faculty excellence advocate distinguished professor of english michigan state university department of english 619 red cedar road room C-614 wells hall east lansing, mi 48824 ph. 517 803 8839 harrow@msu.edu--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the "USA-Africa Dialogue Series" moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin.
For current archives, visit http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
For previous archives, visit http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue-
unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialogue+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the "USA-Africa Dialogue Series" moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin.
For current archives, visit http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
For previous archives, visit http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue-
unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialogue+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
No comments:
Post a Comment