My broda, you have supplied us with the core of the contradiction in your relationship to Nigeria.
It is that contradiction that I find unjust.
If the country is as terrible as you like to paint it, continuously fighting against Biafra, to which you see yourself as belonging in your blog post which I linked, a country described by you as composed partly of 'vultures' who are deemed 'vultures' because they 'condemned' Achebe's book which supports the Biafra/Igbo -Forever-Under-Siege theory, 'vultures' which everyone knows are concentrated in the Yoruba enclave where you have chosen to make your career since a core of critique of Achebe came from Yoruba critics, what are you doing in such a dangerous place?
Why did you not remain in Anambra or anywhere else in Igboland after your pre-tertiary education?
That is what puzzles me.
Since Nigeria, in its complexity has been your welcoming home, is it fair of you to maintain and express such a vitriolic and combative stance towards the nation, a stance evident in your post of one or two years ago and your post of this week?
Is that just of you? Don't you owe the country a more appreciative attitude?
thanks
toyin
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha@gmail.com> wrote:
Toyin Adepoju,
Anyone who has been reading your listserv posts would know that you
frequently try to evade hard knocks and disgrace through diversionary
tactics, often bringing up issues that belong to other debates. I am
also amused at the tactics you are using in the ongoing argument! I
have made my major points and would like to see what defence you can
put up.
Just to help you deal with the shame of using unverified information
to play politics: I studied at the University of Calabar and worked
there for a decade before moving over to Ibadan. I was also a
secondary school teacher in Anambra State for some years before going
for my undergraduate training. It is childish for one to turn one's CV
to an autobiography, writing down everything one has done. There are
occasions to present such details. Oh, maybe you want me to include my
primary school education, gender, ethnic group, religion, etc in a CV
I use as a university lecturer and for international engagements!
But, am surprised?
-Obododimma.
On 4/27/13, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will see if I need to get back later to Obododimma on this.
>
> Of course, I have no interest in the motor garage style of discourse he
> wants to use to avoid addressing the issues raised in my challenging his
> perpetual hatred of the country that nourishes him.
>
> I am simply reading your CV, Obododimma.
>
> You did not state any work in Igboland. The closest you described yourself
> as doing was at University of Calabar, which is not Igboland. The rest of
> the time, for decades, you have been safely and profitably ensconced at
> the University of Ibadan, where you engage in the luxury of vilifying the
> country that harbours you, and describing it as fighting with the country
> in your imagination, Biafra, as shown by your blog post which I linked.
>
> You are yet to tell us how the Nigerian market is sick and conscienceless
> as you claim.
>
> Are you going to let that go as an example of the need to try to throw
> dirt at Nigeria without justification, just to satisfy one's personal
> animosity, a treacherous animosity that does not recognize the mother that
> nurtures one?
>
> It is the Fascist mentality of the right wing pro-Biafra group and the
> sheer inability of some of them to engage in rational discussion without
> descending into the murky waters of vitriol that means they must be taken
> on whenever they show the fundamental irrationality of their style of
> thinking.
>
> thanks
> toyin
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Toyin Adepoju,
>> I hope you understand English and can differentiate between "probably"
>> and "likely." I used the word "probably" in my post [not "likely"],
>> obviously suggesting that one cannot speak with certainty on the
>> matter of culpability. Perhaps you need to consult Farooq Kperogi if,
>> sometimes, you don't understand the grammar and pragmatics of some
>> expressions in posts you respond to. That way, your flaming would be
>> properly guided.
>> You are a researcher, are you not? Dig deeper and find out whether I
>> have lived all my life in Nigeria as you claimed in your initial
>> response. Also, find out whether I have never worked in Igboland as
>> you claimed. One is not surprised that you make claims without first
>> doing the proper research. You need to move away from your desk for a
>> while and ask yourself whether your life as a mischievous listserv
>> virus is getting you anywhere. Nobody's gonna give you an award for
>> waging a relentless Internet war against the Igbo. The world has no
>> time for vultures looking for ethnic carcasses to devour.
>> Indeed, you need to get back to yourself and leave the Igbo alone. You
>> may be fighting a war of shame.
>> - Obododimma.
>>
>> On 4/25/13, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Get real, Obododimma.
>> >
>> > What was I responding to?
>> >
>> > I responded to the fact that you claimed that those who pirated
>> > Achebe's
>> > book were likely to also be those who vilified the book:
>> >
>> > "*So, the vultures in Nigeria, some who probably condemned Chinua
>> Achebe's
>> > There Was a Country*, would not wait a second after looking at the
>> > covers
>> > of the book before getting a pirated version of it into the sick and
>> > conscienceless Nigerian market?"
>> >
>> > In doing that, you have moved beyond discussing piracy to conflating
>> > the
>> > piracy issue with the ideological issues surrounding the critique of
>> > Achebe's book.
>> >
>> > So, brother, your discussion was not purely about "piracy... which
>> > every
>> > Nigerian should be ashamed about".
>> >
>> > It was about piracy in the context of the critique of Achebe's work.
>> >
>> > You went further to expand your discourse beyond your conflation of
>> > critique and pirating Achebe's work to condemnatory statements on
>> > Nigeria:
>> >
>> > "So, the vultures in Nigeria, some who probably condemned Chinua
>> > Achebe's
>> > There Was a Country, would not wait a second after looking at the
>> > covers
>> of
>> > the book before getting a pirated version of it into *the sick and
>> > conscienceless Nigerian market?*
>> >
>> > You then rounded off your comments by describing these conflations you
>> made
>> > in terms of feeding on the death of Achebe. You suggested an
>> > identification of this cadaverous cannibalism with the attacks on his
>> > work, describing those attacks in terms of efforts to kill Achebe:
>> >
>> > "Oh, they would not even wait for the dead author to be buried first.
>> > The
>> > death of the author happens in many ways, it seems. And there are
>> > always
>> > vultures ready to feed on the carcasses of this and that."
>> >
>> > You therefore transformed a comment on piracy into a vitriolic
>> > condemnation of the critics of Achebe's book and a tirade against
>> Nigeria.
>> >
>> > It was the vitriol in your comments that made me challenge you.
>> >
>> > As for your history, it is in your CV, which I linked.
>> >
>> > All your education has been in Nigeria. All your post secondary
>> > education
>> > and almost all your entire working life, except for a period of one
>> year
>> > or less, has been in Nigeria, outside your native Igboland, inside the
>> > very Nigeria you describe as being at war with Biafra, of which your
>> > ancestral Igbo ethnicity was at the centre.You have never worked in
>> > Igboland.
>> >
>> > Your working life has been centrally at the University of Ibadan, the
>> > heartland of the Yoruba, the very people Achebe identifies as being
>> > significant to what he describes as the united hatred of Igbos by
>> Nigerian.
>> >
>> > I had to point out the contradictions in the lives of you right wing
>> > pro-Biafra characters as exemplified by your own life.
>> >
>> > I mentioned Igbo traders and piracy because of your claim that some of
>> > those who are pirating the book are likely to be those who critiqued
>> > the
>> > Achebe book. I mention that there is a significant possibility that
>> > the
>> > pirating agents are Igbo on account of the prominence of Igbos in the
>> > Nigerian book trade. My experience with Benin and Lagos some years ago
>> > indicates that prominence. It is well known in Nigeria that Igbos are
>> > dominant in certain sectors of the economy in particular cities,
>> > bookselling and vehicle spare parts trade in Benin, for example, when
>> > I
>> > was there. They are also central to the marketing of Nollywood films,
>> > Nollywood described as beginning with a film made an Igbo video
>> > cassette
>> > marketer, Kenneth Nnnebue.
>> >
>> > These are basic facts of what I would call Nigerian demographic
>> geography.
>> >
>> > That being so, you are likely to be wrong about those doing the
>> > pirating
>> > since most, if not all Igbos who spoke up on the Achebe book did not
>> > take
>> > him to task on the salient issues that others saw as faulty in his
>> vision.
>> > Adichie, who disagreed with him on particular points, shared his spirit
>> was
>> > not able to understand the disappointment of various people about
>> Achebe's
>> > choice to forego his global/African statesman image for the image of a
>> > still pained Biafran.
>> >
>> > As for your efforts at name calling, I am not interested.
>> >
>> > You chaps need to come off the notion that critiques that dont fit into
>> > your frames imply Igbophobia. You are not helping yourselves with such
>> > a
>> > narrow understanding of ethnic related analysis.
>> >
>> > Toyin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Toyin,
>> >> Your Igbophobia is really showing. Pity. The issue I raised about is
>> >> about piracy [of Achebe's recent work], something that every Nigerian
>> >> should be ashamed of, and there you go drooling about Igbo people
>> >> being the pirates! Also saying saying that I have lived all my life in
>> >> Nigeria - as if you know me very well or if the story of my life or
>> >> where I have lived has anything to do with someone stealing from a
>> >> dead man. Well, you forgot to add that you once identified yourself as
>> >> a virus.
>> >> Be well with ideas.
>> >> Obododimma.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 4/24/13, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Obododimma,
>> >> >
>> >> > For a man who has lived and thrived all your life in
>> >> > Nigeria<http://arts.ui.edu.ng/OOha>,
>> >> > now as a lecturer at the University of
>> >> > Ibadan<http://ng.linkedin.com/pub/obododimma-oha/33/2b7/19>,
>> >> > your attitude to Nigeria is rather unfortunate, as evident from your
>> >> > earlier argument that Nigeria is still fighting with Biafra more
>> >> > than
>> >> > 40
>> >> > years after the war and your refusal to acknowledge that Nigeria has
>> >> > made
>> >> > significant efforts to commemorate Biafra in its National War
>> >> > Museum<http://ambeels.wordpress.com/2012/04/06/national-war-museum-5/
>> >at
>> >> > Umuahia, the last headquarters of Biafra, choosing instead to focus
>> >> > on
>> >> > the govts attack on Biafra memorabilia shortly after the war in
>> your
>> >> > blog post of 2011, "A Risen Sun That Shines
>> >> > Forever<
>> >>
>> http://x-pensiverrors.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/risen-sun-that-will-never-set.html
>> >> >
>> >> > ".
>> >> >
>> >> > In what sense is the Nigerian market sick and conscienceless?
>> >> >
>> >> > Who are the publishers of this pirated version of Achebe's book?
>> >> >
>> >> > While I lived in Benin, I understood that the greatest publishers of
>> >> > pirated books were Igbo , Igbos being the biggest booksellers in
>> Benin.
>> >> >
>> >> > Who are those likely to be involved in or accused of pirating films
>> in
>> >> > Nigeria? What group of traders? That is not a rhetorical question,
>> >> > since
>> >> I
>> >> > dont know the answer, but a suggestion that the answer might not
>> >> > help
>> >> > Obododimma's asumption about the identity of those pirating Achebe's
>> >> book.
>> >> >
>> >> > Igbos have hardly criticized Achebe for his stance in his last
>> >> > intervention on Biafra and Ndigbo, so who is likely to be indicted
>> >> > by
>> >> > your tirade?:
>> >> >
>> >> > 'So, the vultures in Nigeria, some who probably condemned Chinua
>> >> > Achebe's
>> >> > There Was a Country, would not wait a second after looking at the
>> >> > covers
>> >> of
>> >> > the book before getting a pirated version of it into the sick and
>> >> > conscienceless Nigerian market?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > toyin
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Obododimma Oha <obodooha@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> So, the vultures in Nigeria, some who probably condemned Chinua
>> >> >> Achebe's There Was a Country, would not wait a second after looking
>> at
>> >> >> the covers of the book before getting a pirated version of it into
>> the
>> >> >> sick and conscienceless Nigerian market? Oh, they would not even
>> >> >> wait
>> >> >> for the dead author to be buried first. The death of the author
>> >> >> happens in many ways, it seems. And there are always vultures ready
>> to
>> >> >> feed on the carcasses of this and that.
>> >> >> May Ogwugwu visit them with incurable plagues!
>> >> >> - Obododimma.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
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>> >> >> Dept. of English
>> >> >> University of Ibadan
>> >> >>
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