Saturday, July 6, 2013

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - The Illusion of Barracks Option

." Nigeria will most probably not erupt into Egyptian rage, we are not like that".

The above would not happen, not because "we are not like that", but because, we do not have grass roots mobilizers to lead the people, who live mostly in the rural areas. Our activists live and act only in the big cities and they capitulate easily.

CAO. 


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Ikhide <xokigbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you, Ayo, you are very kind. I hope your sister is recovering nicely. I like to think I am a practical person, my dad will be 80 this year, he suffered a massive stroke, what will be needed to restore him to a good quality of life is beyond what his part of Nigeria can afford. I don't want him to suffer needlessly. 

I concede that it is no longer helpful to continue to narrate our woes. Neither is it helpful to recycle "solutions." Nigeria will most probably not erupt into Egyptian rage, we are not like that.

Our best bet is a perversion of gentrification. The rich will continue to eat the poor; in 500 years only the rich will remain. Only then will Nigeria talk about accountability. Until then, Lekki and Abuja are merely lipstick painted on a corpse. It is not well.

I am not enjoying Nigeria this time around, so you must discount my views as the whining of a miserable person. I am miserable. Be well.

- Ikhide

On Jul 5, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Ayo Obe <ayo.m.o.obe@gmail.com> wrote:

Ikhide, I hope it is not presumptuous to wish Papalolo well?  I cannot challenge you over the issue of hospitals: we in my family are thanking God that the sudden pain that took my sister into the operating theatre and the intensive care unit did so two weeks ago when she was in London, and not after she had commenced her planned month's stay in Lagos.

But the reality is that we have no choice but to manage ourselves.  The West is neither willing nor able.  (Cf their experiences in Afghanistan: they have not found it funny).  Relying on the Army would be the triumph of hope over so much bad experience.  Except of course, that one would not even have much hope!

Ayo
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On 5 Jul 2013, at 09:18, Ikhide <xokigbo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ayo,

I imagine to us Nigerians who do not understand the concept of "credibility" it is okay to receive condescending lectures from failed and incompetent leaders like Segun Adeniyi. Do what I say, not what I do.

I am deep in the heart of Nigeria comforting my dad in what appears to be his last days as he is held hostage from incompetent "hospital" to the next. We are currently trapped in a "specialist hospital" a euphemism for a place not fit for homeless dogs in real societies. Nigeria presents as a failing state, if not a failed state. 

I don't think Ayo, we should discourage conversations about what the right vehicle should be to move our country forward. At the "hospital" in Nigeria I saw brilliant doctors and medical staff hamstrung by a lack of facilities and resources - all of them looted by bastards who have squirreled their families abroad to enjoy loot. Ayo, you should see this hospital, Nigeria begs for disrespect daily.

I am beginning to think that we should concede that we can't manage ourselves. Maybe we should outsource our country to the West. Formally, I mean. I don't even want to talk about the roads. Or the pretend-universities I have seen. Where is the outrage?

- Ikhide

On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Ayo Obe <ayo.m.o.obe@gmail.com> wrote:


A timely reminder from Segun Adeniyi for those apparently unaware of or unable to remember our history who keep claiming that we are "behind" the Egyptians with their one year's experience of attempt at democracy!  One tries to forgive those who were elsewhere (or relaxing quietly at home) when Nigerians were being slain in the streets, but honestly, if they do not know, why not try to inform themselves?

Ayo
I invite you to follow me on Twitter @naijama

The Illusion of Barracks Option


04 Jul 2013

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The Verdict By Olusegun Adeniyi. Email, olusegun.adeniyi@thisdaylive.com

"Like most human follies, military coups sound good at the time; and always fail. They sound good because what they replace is usually bad: riotous civilian leaders, corrupted institutions, stolen elections. They fail because beneath the chaos are political problems that soldiers cannot unpick..."

The foregoing quote was taken from a January, 2006 edition of the 'Economist' magazine, following a coup d'etat in Bangladesh where some military Generals seized power from a corrupt and inept civilian leadership. However, after the initial euphoria by the people, the reality was to sink in, as it always does, that soldiers have no magic solution for dealing with complex socio-political problems.

It is against this background that one can situate the current turmoil in Egypt. On Monday, the military authorities upped the ante with a curious statement that was hailed by many Egyptian protesters and which has also excited not a few Nigerians. With troops deployed in strategic positions across Cairo, General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, defence minister and head of the armed forces, warned that the army would intervene if the government and its opponents failed to heed "the will of the people" within 48 hours. Last night, Al-Sisi made good his threat when he sacked the democratically elected government of President Mohammed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood and picked the chief justice of constitutional court to take over.

Not surprisingly, there were jubilations on the streets of Cairo last night following the military intervention. And with the grass always greener on the other side, I have read some of our online commentators disparaging Nigerians for not acting like the Egyptians and that we need that sort of street intervention to deal with our current political challenge. Before I go further, it is important to highlight some of the grievances of the opposition movement behind the seemingly endless protests on the streets of Cairo.

By the expectations of the protesters, a government that had barely spent one year in office ought to have restored security to the level it was before President Hosni Mubarak was toppled in 2011. Aside protesting that there was "no justice" for the people killed by security forces in the course of the anti-government protests of the last two years, they also claimed that "no dignity is left" for Egyptians or their country and that the economy has "collapsed". With all that, the opposition movement gave Morsi until last Tuesday to step down and call fresh presidential elections, or else face a campaign of civil disobedience which the army capitalized upon to overthrow the government yesterday.

For every grouse that an Egyptian can level against their government, a Nigerian can probably come up with ten about our government. So it came as no surprise that some of our compatriots would romanticise "revolutions" or any form of political upheaval that will sweep away the current system and its operators. Incidentally, this had actually been a subject of interrogation in the not-too-distant past, following a May 2005 document from the United States National Intelligence Council, entitled "Mapping Sub-Saharan Africa's Future". Specifically, under the sub-heading "Downside Risks" in the report, the US National Intelligence Council had claimed that "while currently Nigeria's leaders are locked in a bad marriage that all dislike but dare not leave, there are possibilities that could disrupt the precarious equilibrium in Abuja. The most important would be a junior officer coup that could destabilize the country to the extent that open warfare breaks out in many places in a sustained manner."

In his response to the US report back then, President Obasanjo had dismissed most of the assumptions that informed the conclusion. But he also noted most poignantly: "It is important for us to know that we are being rated low, not because of what is happening to us from outside but because of what we do to, for and by ourselves internally..."

Yes, what is true of Egypt is true of our country today as many are disillusioned with our politicians, including those who claim to be in opposition yet whose values are at variance with what they mouth publicly. But the fact also remains that all the demonstrations of the last two years have not improved the material conditions of the people of Egypt and there is no sign that things will get better anytime soon. In fact, chances are that things may actually get worse. To that extent, whatever may be our misgivings about the current political situation in the country, the future of our nation depends largely on sustaining our democracy and making it work.

However, there is also this erroneous assumption that the Nigerian people are docile and that a revolution can never happen here. What I find most interesting is that even people in government believe this lie, the same way it was assumed and always glibly said in the past that an average Nigerian loves life so much that not one of our nationals could ever be a suicide bomber. Now, we know better.

Far more difficult to understand is that public office holders who call for "revolution" always assume that if such ever happened, it would leave them untouched. Two days ago in Lagos, House of Representatives Speaker, Hon Aminu Tambuwal, said in a paper he personally presented: "The most compelling reasons for revolution throughout the ages were injustice, crushing poverty, marginalization, lawlessness, joblessness, and general disaffection of the ruling elite. You will agree with me that these factors capture the conditions of our nation now, to a large extent." Fair enough you will say, but then Tambuwal would rather prescribe an "intellectual revolution" to resolve such contradictions, evidently because he is well aware that he is also in the line of fire should our people ever revolt!

What those who misread the maturity of the Nigerian masses ignore is that political upheavals are usually spontaneous actions that most often result from inno

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