Friday, April 10, 2015

RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - The Baboon of the Lagoon

Biko has raised an important issue but the discussion will have to center on the parameters
of secessionism vs federalism- and the culpabilities thereof.

At what point does secessionism merit reparations?

We have some learned jurists in our midst that we can
consult on this.

Historians also have some evolving examples in Mali
Senegal ,Libya, Congo etc.




Professor Gloria Emeagwali
History Department
CCSU. New Britain. CT 06050
africahistory.net
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Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries on
Africa and the African Diaspora

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For Biko and his collaborators on genocide and payment of reparation, don't you think such demand is outrageously and morally unjust? There was no genocide committed and the Federal government has never told the global community that there was genocide committed against the Ibos during the Civil War (1967 - 1970) - Segun Ogungbemi.

Biko Agozino responded to Segun Ogungbemi thus, "You cannot claim to be blind, deaf and dumb to past consequences of GENOCIDE THREATS AND DENIALISM by pseudo intellectuals who fan the embers of hate. ....as part of your GENOCIDE DENIALISM, I do not blame you for your ignorance. It is the fault of the GENOCIDISTS who abolished the teaching of history in Nigeria out of fear that their crimes against humanity will be exposed to the future generations who are bound to make atonement for the sins of their fathers."

If there were 'past genocidal threats and denials' as averred by Biko Agozino, it means genocide never took place in Nigeria. In what appears to be self contradictory, Biko Agozino went on to write about what he termed *GENOCIDISTS* who abolished the teaching of history in Nigeria. I once counselled members on this forum to read and understand history as it happened and not how we wished it to happen. We have had a lot of conflicts in Nigeria and what is conflict? Conflict is a battle. So, what happens in a battle? Battle is a subject of attack/and defence and both in their true forms cannot exist without bloodshed and destruction of humans and properties. Whatever history book about the Nigerian Civil War (1967 -1970) you, Biko Agozino, might have read, it must have informed you that Lieutenant Colonel Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu convened a meeting of what he termed, Eastern Consultative Assembly on 26 May 1967 and told them that the East was fully prepared for war and added "There is no power in this country (Nigeria) or in Black Africa to subdue us by force." Thereafter he urged the Assembly to mandate him to declare the East as an autonomous State. On the 27th of May 1967, the Assembly unanimously passed a resolution mandating Ojukwu to declare the Sovereign Republic of Biafra as early as possible. On that same day, Gowon assumed total powers, declared a state of emergency throughout the whole country and sliced the four regions into 12 states. On May 30, 1967, Lieutenant Colonel Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu declared the Eastern region an independent sovereign state of Republic of Biafra. When war broke out on July 6, 1967, it was between two opposing armies vis-á-vis Nigeria and Biafra. If Nigeria had attacked non-armed Biafrans and civilians there, the word genocide would have been appropriate to apply to Nigeria.

Did the Federal Forces commit genocide against the Igbo during the Civil War? My answer is capital NO because in the History of warfare Nigerian Civil War was the only war in the world fought under the supervision of an International Observer Team drawn from the United Nations, the Organization of African Unity (now African Union), Britain, Canada, Sweden and Poland. The International Observer Team, individually and collectively, wrote reports exonerating the Federal forces of any genocide against the Igbo in the war. In response to the allegation that the Observer Team was guided by the Federal Government, the Team in its Observers' Report on Activities During the Period, 24 September to 23 November 1968, dated 25 November 1968, stated that the team had unrestricted freedom of movement during all investigations and visits, and made up its own programme, including last-minute changes. So, Biko Agozino, where did you get your history of genocide committed against the Igbo during the Nigerian Civil War? Have you forgotten the Igbo saying, "OJI OSO AGBAKURU OGU,AMAGHI N'OGU BU ONWU which means THOSE WHO RUN TO WAR WITH SMILE ON THEIR FACES,WILL CERTAINLY BE GREETED WITH MISERIES OF WAR?" I will be delighted to read from you about what actions constituted GENOCIDE during the Nigerian Civil War or at any other time of Nigeria's History.



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Segun,

God go punish you o if you do not find genocide repugnant but only find repugnant your intellectual blindness expressed in your continued genocide denialism. May Chineke forgive you your abominable magical thoughts of which the Igbo are not scared because the Igbo believe that they are with their personal Chi in innocence and are guaranteed to survive all wicked plots.

As a Professor of Ethics in Odessa, Ukraine, you cannot claim to be blind, deaf and dumb to the past consequences of fascist genocidal policies and the current neo-fascist tendencies of genocidal threats and denialism by psuedo intellectuals who fan the embers of hate.

Your morality sinks to the toilet pit when you deliberately wrote this phrase in defamation: 'Biko and his collaborators on genocide...' as part of your genocide denialism. I do not blame you for your ignorance, it is the fault of the genocidists who abolished the teaching of history in Nigeria out of fear that their crimes against humanity will be exposed to the future generations who are bound to make atonement for the sins of their fathers.

Please listen to the repudiation of the unwarranted vile threats from your Oba Olopa by people of conscience from every ethnic background in Lagos. Just because two Igbo candidates were elected members of the House of Representative from Lagos state is no reason for all this Igbophobia. None of the candidates for governor in Saturday's election is Igbo and you will find everyone voting their conscience without a strict loyalty to any ethnic party for there is none.

Please tone down your incitement to hatred, we are not blind, deaf or mute to the consequences in Nigerian history. Show some respect and write the name of millions of your compatriots the way they identify themselves, Igbo, and not insultingly the way the colonial authorities tried to dehumanize them, Ibo.

Biko



On Thursday, 9 April 2015, 4:35, Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com> wrote:


My Colleagues,
What I find repugnant in all this is the intellectual blindness of our Ibo friends responding to an issue that their Ezes did not consider offensive. Rather they promised His Royal Highness their support for his candidate. Why did they do that? How can a Royal Father call you to forigbepe and you obeyed? They have eaten the kola nuts and other ingredients in the palace. For those who ate them, they should not vote against what they have promised the Kabiyesi. If they do so on Saturday they have forigbepe. Jokes apart, that is the truth. I hope they are aware of it.
I cannot reprimand my Kabiyesi in this forum. It is not in our character as Omoluabi.
I have many Ibo friends who understand our cultural values and the respect we give to our elders. They will not be talking like these guys in this forum at all.
All the votes of the Ibos alone, as Prof. Bolaji Aluko says in Lagos, cannot make Agbaje to win on Saturday.
I don't know who will win but whoever wins I assure you it is not the votes of the Ibos alone that will do the magic wand.
For Biko and his collaborators on genocide and payment of reparation, don't you think such a demand is outrageously and morally unjust? There was no genocide committed and the Federal government has never told the global community that there was genocide committed against the Ibos during the Civil War (1967-197).
For those who are willing to listen to the voice of Reason and wisdom of Elders let them do so.
They should also drink from the water of Yemoja to avoid being drown in the lagoon. Eo ni forigbepe lodo Kabiyesi o Aase Edumare.

Prof. Segun Ogungbemi

On Apr 8, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Ademola Dasylva <dasylvaus@gmail.com<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:

Well said, well written. So far, the reactions are quite justified. You ask me why? It reminds me of a beautiful Yoruba wise saying, roughly translated as, "The elder who ties maize round his waist and chooses to enter the market (or township) must neither be surprised nor complain should he be pursued by very daring fowls".

No matter how highly placed a public figure is, it is not a proper thing to demand respect for oneself, or on behalf of someone else. Rather, you command respect, you don't demand it. The Oba of Lagos should borrow some wisdom nuggets from our great and amiable Awujale, HRH Oba Sikiru Adetona of Ijebu Kingdom, or HRH Odulana Odugade, the Olubadan of Ibadan, on general royal cum-public conducts, and genuine patriotic zeal.

Thank God, the APC gubernatorial candidate for Lagos State, Mr Ambode, his Party and other well meaning Nigerians have come out to condemn the unprintable utterance. This definitely is, to say the least a careless distraction. Therefore, I wish to appeal to all patriots and eligible voters to still go out on Saturday and vote wisely and en mass, with their conscience intact, for the candidate of their choice regardless of what the Oba said.

Long Live Nigeria!

Ademola O. Dasylva

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alukome@gmail.com<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:


Obi Nwakanma:

You can see why I will never allow your super-menschen attitude to go past me.

Is it for "threatening the Igbo with murder" that you are venting so much, or is it for threatening ANYBODY at all?

Let me ask this: if ALL the Igbo vote for Agbaje, and NO YORUBA votes for Agbaje, can Agbaje win the Lagos gubernatorial election? Absolutely not! So for Agbaje to win, MANY non-Igbo, including MANY Yoruba, must vote AGAINST Ambode, who PRESUMABLY will also be sunk in the Lagoon by this ALL powerful Oba Akiolu, who will have to REACH beyond his tiny suzreinty in Eko-land, to pick them up one by one, and drown them.

So why are you all not BENT over backwards about his threat to ALL NIGERIANS who vote against Ambode, rather than just the Igbo? Is this why there is still SHRILLNESS in your community?

Answer me.......

Listen up: I am OFFENDED by his threat against ANY Nigerian, any person, simply because they vote against Ambode. I believe that I am thereby one hundred times better than some of you who are simply angered because he addressed your own Igbo group, most of whose Ezes in attendance at the Iga Idunganran were APPLAUDING at that very time, not completely sure of the gravity of the statements.

Let me make two predictions: (1) Ambode will win on Saturday, and it will have nothing to do with the Oba's approval or incontinence (2) Nobody will be drowned in the Lagoon thereafter.

And there is no syllogism implied there.

And there you have it....but I have been wrong before, and my predictions are not water-tight.


Bolaji Aluko


On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Rex Marinus <rexmarinus@hotmail.com<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
All I'm saying, Dr Aluko, is tat the "incontinent Oba" should be called by his proper name. I'm saying, it is eough enough to just say, "His Royal Majesty went too far and we condemn his words and action." Such a statement makes the words "Royal" and "Majesty" inappropriate. I should think that saying, "Akiolu behaved like an idiot by threatening the Igbo in Lagos with murder" is more appropriate because it drives home the truth, while the other plays with euphemisms. But on this matter, there should be no tongue-in-cheek. Even his "incontinence" should not be an excuse.

It is interesting that you bring up the calumny that characterized the last campaigns. It did not bother me because often politics is about disputes and name-calling between opponents K.O. Mbadiwe once described M.I. Okpara as "that bumpkin from Bende." Zik himself had called Mbadiwe "a political Liliputian."That's ok with me. The difference, and I hope you see this, is that Akiolu threatened to drown the Igbo in the Lagoon if they do not do his will by voting he candidate the has backed. We must draw the line there. That is the basis of my outrage, nothing else, I assure you. But I do not want him commit suicide, jut he is prosecuted, or the very least, forcefully sanction for hate-speech
Obi Nwakanma

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Obi Nwakanma:

I should not "act like (a baboon) or even beneath one" simply because I ask that you and some of your very shrill co-travelers not call the incontinent Oba "a baboon?"

You can see why I believe that some of you doth protest too much and are probably worse (in your own palaces, when no one is taping you) than the Oba Akiolu himself that you are denouncing. There must be something more that is biting you than this already-oft-denounced statement.

You are right: The Oba is NOT Oba of Lagos State, but Oba of "Lagos", a small part of the state, even a small part of what is known as "Lagos City." So what is the big fuss? The man has backtracked; some of his "subjects" have condemned his statement; even Ambode has thrown him under the bus. So you want him to commit suicide, or to have him deposed?

Come on...in this campaign, terrible things were said about persons and peoples, and nary did I read a word from many of you.....you were probably clapping in the background, and/or crafting the words. I believe that there hypocrisy - and some unrighteous indignation - is going on here.

And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko


The area around the Oba of Lagos Palace (Iga Idunganran)




Lagos State:




On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Rex Marinus <rexmarinus@hotmail.com<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
Dr Aluko:
I will be quite, personally unhappy to think of you as a Baboon, so do not act like one or even beneath one. I think that the Oba of Lagos has no suzerainty over Lagos. At best, Iga-Iduguran is a fine museum, and the Oba part of its museum pieces. He is good for tourism, and has no political significance. Subjectivity and subjection are not abstract conditions. Perhaps you should "abolish all monarchies" first from your mind, and help install the Republic and all its privilege of freedom and the equality of all citizens in your consciousness. That way, you will stop thinking of people as the "subjects" of a single individual. Nigerians are not even "subjects" of the President of the Republic, not to talk about of some provincial has-been. Lagos is a city; run as a city government by elected people. The Oba of Lagos does not run Lagos; does not maintain an Army or a Police Force answerable to him; nor does he constitute a parliament. He can not raise or collect tax, nor compel anyone to forced labour. In what ways therefore are the citizens of Lagos his "subjects?" In any case, which part of Lagos are we talking about? About my "super-menschen mentality" - well, I think the republic is still better than the monarchy or its association, feudalism. Those who established the republic with its laws of human equality and freedom are simply asking monarchists and all those right-wing conservative intellectuals who rally around its cause in the excuse of "cultural nationalism" to catch up. They're just too slow for the rest of us:-) I wear my "super-menchenism" proudly, as you do know.
Obi Nwakanma


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Obi Nwakanma:

You are in your elements, waxing strong, philosophical, poetical, recovering your voice in usual defence of your "super-menschen" mentality........I know that you will over-do yourself......

I am presumably the next "baboon", being more vile than Oba Akiolu for daring to call people under the Oba's territorial suzreinty "subjects."?

Okay o......left to me, I would abolish all monarchies. But while they last, I would limit their roles....and their behavior ACROSS the political spectrum encourages that delimiting.

And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko
Having a belly laugh


On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Rex Marinus <rexmarinus@hotmail.com<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
I actually disagree with Dr. Obioma Nnaemeka on this. The comments directed at Akiolu is necessarily harsh. It is the equivalent of Sartre's "racist anti-racism" - a necessary deployment of extreme speech in other to free people of the consequences of even more extreme conducts or speech or beliefs. Rather than detract from the situation, it amplifies the exact nature of Akiolu's "reprehensible" conduct. I think we must be unwilling to mealy-mouth on this matter by this attempt to separate the meaning and intentions of the man, from the significance of the office to which he is purportedly endowed. Ogugua's statement earlier is quite apt: respect is not an inheritance; it is the value of conduct.

I also think Dr. Aluko insults and undermines Nigerians citizens of Lagos by calling them "subject" people. We must be very careful about the words we use. The Nigerian constitution endows everyone in Lagos, including Akiolu with the fundamental right of citizenship. Nigerians are only subject to the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, whose charter of fundamental rights is unambiguous in endowing the rights of EQUAL CITIZENSHIP to every Nigerian irrespective of religion, gender, ethnicity or status. The continuous ascription of limited rights and values to the citizens of Nigeria, whom Dr. Aluko describes as the "Lagos subjects" of the Oba of Lagos carries no less a reprehensible meaning, and it ought to be clear and really challenged.

I myself felt that it is the Baboon that we insult by comparing Akiolu to him. Anyone who has seen the video or heard the audio of this guy's foolish utterances, should rather challenge Dr. Biko Agozino for insulting the Baboon, who in my view has greater civic manners than Mr. Akiolu. And just so it be clear, Agozino did not bring anybody into this matter - not Ambode; not Akiolu's neighbours in Lagos; not Yoruba people; not even the laughable cluster of comedians called "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Lagos, towards whom Akiolu directs his choler. So, please, do not bring his children into this matter, unless his children echo Akiolu's statements.
Obi Nwakanma

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May your tribe increase, Dr. Nnamaeka, Obioma!

Some of those criticizing and abusing the Oba for his reprehensible outburst seem to be as hateful as he himself, especially those who have called him a baboon, or support those who have. What do you expect his children, his Lagos subjects or his supporters to do ....jump up with glee for calling him a baboon? Yet, if you describe his speech for what it is, you will win people to you to condemn him.

Do baboons talk? Are they over-supportive of Ambode, or hateful of Igbo? Or is it how the Oba looks...and can he change his looks? Or is it just poetic exuberance....baboon...lagoon?

So let us watch it: the Oba is not the only hateful interlocutor on this issue. Yes, let us focus on the issue, and stop quoting Obasanjo's This animal Called Man.

And there you have I.


Bolaji Alukome

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Nnaemeka, Obioma G <nnaemeka@iupui.edu<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:

The problem with the name-calling is that it takes us away from a serious discussion of what the Oba said. Calling him a baboon does not advance the discussion; it diminishes it. What the Oba said was reprehensible and condemnable. Let's focus on that and leave the animal kingdom alone.

Obioma Nnaemeka, Ph.D.
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I apologize to our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, baboons, for suggesting that the clown who wears the crown as the descendant of slave trading chiefs is like them; it was my poetic license. Although Baboon rhymes with the Lagoon in which he threatened to drown innocent citizens for performing their civic duties of voting, baboons are completely innocent of threatening genocide against human beings and they have never committed such a barbaric crime against humanity. The Igbo, having suffered such a painful history in recent memory, deserve to alert all those with conscience worldwide when genocidists start making hateful threats. No matter how highly respected anyone pretends to be, no one is above the law and the chief law enforcement officers should be urged by all peace-loving Africans to promptly arrest the thug and prosecute him to set an example to others in order to prevent his self-fulfilling prophecy of hate from being fulfilled. Moreover, rather than worry about the prestige of your traditional ruler when he misbehaves gravely, you should add your voice to demand that justice should be done to your Igbo brothers and sisters for the past wrongs visited on them.

Biko


On Tuesday, 7 April 2015, 16:39, Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:

There is need for caution here. It is an aberration of the highest order to call or address an Oba a baboon. Whatever the merit of the argument, insulting one of the most highly respected Royal Fathers in Yorubaland and in Nigeria by anyone is despicable. 'Biko Agozino should first of all withdraw the description of His Royal Majesty the Oba of Lagos a baboon.
This inflammatory description can cause mayhem if care is not taken. It is therefore demanded that Biko Agozino withdraws it with an apology.
Prof. Segun Ogungbemi

On Apr 7, 2015, at 10:42 AM, "'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<https://webmail.ccsu.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
A baboon has threatened to drown masses of Igbo citizens of Nigeria in the lagoon if they do not vote for his preferred candidate for the governor of Lagos State. This is a leadership moment for President Jonathan and the President-elect, Buhari, to show leadership by repudiating such a brazen terroristic threat against model citizens who have ventured immensely to help build a modern nation and who have suffered unprovoked genocidal violence repeatedly in the history of Nigeria. Leaders should call for the arrest, dethronement and prosecution of the Oba of Lagos for this hate speech; apologize to the Igbo for past wrongs especially during the civil war when 3.1 million were estimated to have died with their young women abducted, their properties destroyed or seized, and their life-savings withheld. Propose a law against any denial of the Igbo genocide and against genocidal threats and establish the Igbo Reparations Fund along with the creation of the sixth state in the South East for the sake of geopolitical equity. Other Nigerian groups have been offered reparations for lesser wrongs and the continued denial of fair reparations to the Igbo who have suffered most may be contributing to the entrenchment of the culture of terrorism in Nigeria. Show some leadership now!

Biko

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