Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On the Matter of Choosing Between Clinton, Trump and Cruz {Re: [africanworldforum] Re: #2: Of torture and terrorism

This is in line with SWC Urges OIC To Sponsor UN Resolution Repudiating Jihadist Terror as Debasement of Islam

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:22:22 UTC+1, Ayo Obe wrote:

Which, I guess, is why Paul Krugman correctly identified Trump's real slogan as "Make America White Again!"

Anyway, no tears for the Republicans.  To hear Republicans complaining about Trump is a bit like Saudi Arabia complaining about ISIS.  To each of them one can only say: But that's your baby!

Ayo

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Nebu and My People:

Yes, I hate to admit it publicly, but I prefer Trump to Cruz - and that is like saying that I prefer a cobra to bite me than a viper.

In any case, Trump will not win the requisite number of delegates to coronate him as Republican nominee, and the (un)successful (?)  battle to dump him for Cruz will leave both snakes hobbled for Hillary to cut both their heads off in November.

Yep...Hillary is our next President in the US of A - and for the next eight years too if her age and health hold her up.....So Obamacare and his other legacies are safe thereby.

We may even have a Black guy succeed her too....or at least a Hispanic Democrat...

You read it here first, abi?

Bolaji Aluko

 

On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Nebukadineze via NaijaEvent <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 

Olola,

Republicans will be toasted in November, for as long we (Democrats) field Mrs Clinton. Neither Trump nor Cruz is palatable to reason, to the optics, or to the American prestige.

 

The trick being pulled by GOP establishment is casting Trump's utterances as not being representative of their belief system. No, Trump says what Republicans have been running on for almost three decades, but has been intensified more since the Obama era.

 

The trick? Ted Cruz is more dangerous than Trump and the GOP establishment does not trust Trump's conservatism -- they think that he is a liberal and will govern as one, so they want him out while pretending to be against his views on women, immigration, Muslims, minorities of color, trade isolationism, etc. Cruz, a bad ass, is their choice. Trump must  garner the 1237 delegates through the primary elections or the GOP establishment may rob him of the nomination at the convention.

 

Whatever is the case, GOP will not win the presidency in November (Trump's supporters are not numerous enough to garner him a win -- even if he gets 50% of the white votes, he still can't win the presidency). We're in safe hands for now and hopefully for another fours years.

 

Cheers.

 

Nebukadineze Adiele
Reject Religion; Relive Reason!

 

In a message dated 3/24/2016 10:05:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, naija...@googlegroups.com writes:

Nebu;

I can bet my bottom dollar that you will not be casting your vote

for either one of Trump or Cruze in November.

Please ensure everyone in your family, including your pets, cats, dogs

etc.--(if you can get away with it)--cast their votes in November for either

Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

I have watched all the episodes of the CNN seried--"Race to the Whitte House".

The intrigues and shenanigans that go on during US elections would make all the 

illegal practices that are pervasive in Nigerian elections pale by comparison.

It was alleged by the Republicans that a lot of deceased Americans cast

their ballots for JFK in 1960.

If dead people can vote, why not give the household dogs, cats. parrots etc,

the opportunity to cast their own ballots.

It is quite possible that these 'pets' could make a better decision in aggregate

than human beings, especially the hardcore supporters of Trump and Cruz.

Trump wants to keep on water-boarding terrorists and would not rule out nuking their

them and their families.

Cruz would like to 'patrol' Muslim neighbourhoods or  put them in secure camps

in the USA. As President he would carpet-bomb neighbourhoods where ISIS fighters

and their families live.

Dogs, Cats and other animals would likely never support not alone politicians like

Trump and Cruze. Please, give them the Vote!

Bye,

Ola

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Sent: Thu, Mar 24, 2016 4:05 am
Subject: Re: Of torture and terrorism

Former VC Aluko enumerated some of the disadvantages of torture in one of his responses that I just read a minute ago -- these disadvantages that have been scientifically proven to be infallible -- yet some people ignore them to still make a case for torture? While it is natural to be angry and to express it, enlightened people ideally do not react to affronts based on anger. Reason guides rational people's reactions and that should not cease to be the case with respect to ISIS or Boko Haram.  

 

Come on folks, we cannot become the wild animal that we are trying to annihilate. Torture is barbaric, inhumane, illegal in most democratic states and by UN a declaration; above all, it does not garner the stuff being sought through it. Torture is in the same league as putting a tire around the neck of a suspected pickpocket and setting him ablaze. What if he did no pick pocketing in the first place -- as in the case of the Aluu 4 (abi na 5 sef)?  

 

When reasonable people began to act like the terrorists would be when terrorists won the fight between barbarism and enlightenment. We should always bear that in mind before reacting.

 

Nebukadineze Adiele
Reject Religion; Relive Reason!

 

In a message dated 3/22/2016 6:00:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, naija...@googlegroups.com writes:

Pastor Joe and Vin O:

 

If torture is the cure for terrorism, the world would be have been

a much safer and more peaceful  place than it is today.

 

The torture of a human being, however guilty or horrendous

his crime might be sonly breeds more terror.

 

What did all the 'water boarding' by US soldiers, CIA etc.

contribute to the goal of eliminating or reducing terrorist acts

in the USA and throughout the world?

To be fair, the worst perpetrators of torture are the not the western

countries inclusive of the USA. The worst violators of the UN ban

on torture are the Middle East countries inclusive of Egypt, Saudi Arabia,

Iraq, Iran and Israel, African countries, Russia etc.

 

Bye,

 

Ola

 

 

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Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2016 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: Of torture and terrorism

And you can say that because it is not your rights and your humanness that is violated. What happens to good intelligence gathering?

Cool Breeze

On Mar 22, 2016 4:29 PM, 'Joe Attueyi' via NaijaEvent <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Better safe than sorry!

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Mar 2016, at 8:26 PM, Vin Otuonye <vincent...@msn.com> wrote:

And what if he doesn't know anything about the attack?

On Mar 22, 2016 3:32 PM, 'Joe Attueyi' via NaijaEvent <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

With the current terrorist attacks in Belgium , I'd be interested in hearing the views of our liberals on torture

If the Paris attackers captured in Belgium last week had been tortured information relating to today's attack would have been extracted and all the innocent folks killed and maimed today would have been saved.

We should neither negotiate nor read Miranda rights to terrorists

Joe

Sent from my iPhone

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