Yah let the debate rage. What a special moment for Professor Ayele Bekerie for his original contribution to knowledge!
Thanks GE for your illuminating riposte. I had just gone through Toyins rejoinder about 30 min ago and was preparing to respond when I saw yours.
It now seems convetional for any group that lays claim to civilization to show proof that it has a writing system equal to the West in evolutionary stages or in a completed format
It is convenient to forget that the West did not always have this type of writing. People did not invent this type of writing because they did not think it was necessary for their ways of life.
I was glad that Prof. Bekerie pointed to the indigenous non Arabic and non Gregorian West African writing systems that predated both extant monotheisms in the region yet both colonialists continue to maintain the lie that they brought civilization and writing to a 'benighted' oral people.
Trust me, you do not know how many western American and European faculty still deal with us in the condescending manner undergirded by these false assumptions that when you dare to want to relate to them as equals they react in a scandalised manner (how dare you!)
Late Dr Eluyemi took me to a site in Ile-Ife in the early 80s where the religious inscriptions akin to the Ethiopian example shown in the video was carved on a rock.
As for parchment and writing I was also gratified to see welts of writings on human flesh decipherable by people in the cultures. I can read the tribal marks of many people of Nigeria (particularly Yoruba) and know where they come from. I
can read the narrative of an Abiku on their faces. When a tribal marked Ogbomoso stands in front of me Id be stupid to ask the ready question of a westerner regarding an unfamiliar person: where are you from originally? The answer is written in his face!
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-------- Original message --------From: "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>Date: 02/09/2017 21:29 (GMT+00:00)To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com >Cc: Ayele Bekerie <abekerie@gmail.com>Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - African Writing Systems
Thank you for these insightful comments. I shall direct the questions to Professor Bekerie - and
share some of my thoughts on this as well.
Firstly, there is no unanimity around the world about the subject matter and content of what is written,
or the format of the written, in antiquity. The idea of conveying written thoughts in a bound text is not universal.
I believe that the bound text first began with Buddhist monks.
Some civilizations see the written word as a medium for documenting history while for others, as seems to be the
case of Ethiopia, spirituality and theology are the guiding force. So we have the odd case where historians may lament the absence of written
historical information about a particular place in Ethiopia, while recognizing that there exist numerous written manuscripts dealing with
theology, spirituality and biblical themes, in that very locality. There may well be as many written manuscripts emanating from classical Ethiopia
as there are from ancient Egypt. You visit the hundreds of monasteries dispersed throughout that region and find countless manuscripts in each of them,
from Axum to Bahir Dar, Lake Tana, Gondar, Lalibela and so on. Many are driven by religious themes and
are written in Giiz (Geez) and Amharic - that we know now, may have influenced the rise of Sabaean -
and not the other way around. One scholar estimated that there may be about a thousand monasteries.
Some of the manuscripts are accessible to museum and monastery visitors and speakers of Giiz and Amharic.
Many of the monasteries tend to have a mini-museum with various artifacts.
In the case of Nubia recall that some of its thoughts are intermingled with those of Egypt and sometimes labeled Egyptian - as is the case of some of its artifacts.
Then there is the issue of the deciphering of one of the writing systems used by the Nubians, Meroitic. As in the case of the South Asian Indus script,
the problem here is our ignorance of the writing system. We cannot fully decipher it.
As we shift westwards, it is important to note that one of the goals of some of the scripts such as Adinkra was clearly to convey deep thought, whilst
for others, covert and secret communication, for members only, seemed to be the principal aim - rather than expositions and socio--political narrative.
This also affected the medium. Classical African thought is also embedded in Ajami.
Experts in USA Dialogue such as Prof. Fallou Ngom, can provide more scholarly details on this.
So we have:
a. writings of a spiritual & esoteric nature
b. secular/philosophical writings
Note also writings and inscriptions on rocks, temples, walls, cloth, metal objects, gourds, livestock, skin etc
(and even sand), that may be classified as miscellaneous, tentatively, that are also important
sites of written documentation.
Professor Bekerie went into this issue in the video presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=2OT2ZmBCP0U
Thank you for the references to Jordan Fenton, Amanda Carlson and Eli Bentor.
I share with you the hope that practitioners, and others in the region would share with us
" the cognitive architectures "associated with these various systems, as you elegantly stated.
(Although this discussion is about indigenous scripts, we note that in the terrain
once associated with the Malian and Songhay empires, we have about a million Arabic manuscripts
written by Africans - and maybe an equivalent amount or more- in other parts of West, East and Central Africa.
To view classical African thought you have to look there, too.)
GE
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - African Writing SystemsBeautiful.
In the light of what may be described as the ubiquity
Professor Gloria EmeagwaliProfessor of History
History DepartmentCentral Connecticut State UniversityGloria Emeagwali's Documentaries onAfrica and the African Diaspora8608322815 Phone8608322804 Fax
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - African Writing Systems--Beautiful.
In the light of what may be described as the ubiquity of African writing systems, why has classical African thought not been seen as accessible as that of ancient Egypt, for example?
Why is it easy to point to books in classical Asian cultures, for example, books produced at the time of the existence of those cultures, but difficult, if not impossible to find the same for knowledge produced using African writing systems, apart from Egypt?
Was it the absence of a means of making the equivalent of parchment or paper? Animal hides could have been used, wall inscriptions, etc as in Egypt, could have been more evident.
One of the world's richest expressive systems and still very much in use in its traditional contexts is Nsibidi of Nigeria's Cross-River. Relative to the scope of content, variety of expressive strategies and geographical range of this system, however, literature on it is severely limited, the most detailed work known to me coming from US based researchers Jordan Fenton, Amanda Carlson and Eli Bentor, along with Ivor Miller who has worked in Nigeria.
Online, apart from contributions represented by the online name Nsibiri, general documentation on such blogs as Okporu Before and references related to the art of Victor Ekpuk, along with my own efforts in integrating these contributions,not much is evident from within the parent communities of Nigeria and Cross River on this system, although more work might be present in the research projects of tertiary institutions in the region and other parts of Nigeria.
This inadequate visibility might be due to the fact that it is largely controlled by an esoteric order, what is more conventionally known as a secret society, in this case Ekpe in its various forms.
It would be wonderful if such systems were made more accessible, the experts in the traditional institutions that manage the systems sharing with the world their own cognitive architectures built through its use.
thanks
toyin
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Comments are welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=2OT2ZmBCP0U
African Writing Systems
GE
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