Saturday, July 28, 2018

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Short Video on Swahili Ci

You both are addressing the same issues appositely in different but exciting ways.

I would like to expatriate a bit more on the Derridean angle psychoanalytically.

For psychoanalysis writing is inscribed In the mind before its exteriorization and that is the source of the Derridean 'gramme.' (I.e grammatology)


Thus all human cultures that have thinking beings and spoken language have writings irrespective of what media they write on and what form of writing.


OAA.

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From: "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
Date: 27/07/2018 14:36 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Short Video on   Swahili Ci

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Thank you for your spectacular, bloody recommendations.

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History
History Department
Central Connecticut State University
1615 Stanley Street
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www.africahistory.net
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From: Biko Agozino <bikozino@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:56:35 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com; Emeagwali, Gloria (History); usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Short Video on Swahili Ci
 
There you go, nothing Dread. That was the kind of intertextual reading that I expected in the short video, not the poke-poke-poke of a piece of skeleton here and there by Archeologists who conveniently ignore rivers of fresh blood, accirding to Soyinka. You should bring in the interrogation in the final rushes.

Biko


On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
<emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

In addition to skeletal remains numerous types of artifacts have been recovered by archeologists in Malindi sites.  For example,  Kusimba et al point out the following about Mtwapa, also a Malindi  settlement:



"Archaeological excavations recovered large volumes of diverse artefacts typical of urban society.The finds include local and trade ceramics, iron and iron slag, rock crystal, spindle whorls, glass, marine and Indo-Pacific beads and reveal a complex hierarchical urban polity with a thriving domestic, regional and international economy.The ubiquitous  local pottery belongs to the Tana Tradition...…..Mtwapa's pottery was probably produced at the household level by potters who exploited clay sources located upstream along the creek...…..From its origins as a small seasonal camp in 1732 BCE to its abandonment c. 1750CE, Mtwapa residents overwhelming consumed marine resources...…" p. 227.  Kusimba et al. "Mtwapa." In S. Wynne-Jones and Adria La Violette. The Swahili World. Routledge, 2018.


To give an example of the" eurocentric text trap" that I mentioned earlier,  let me point to the above cited work. The editors date "the chronology of the Swahili coast" to the Ist century CE and the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea (p.2) despite the evidence of a  camp at  Mtwapa dated 1732BCE.


  The book is a treasure trove of fifty six chapters and an excellent update in the field but that inconsistency should be pointed out. They just couldn't get out of the Periplus mindset even when the evidence in their wonderful text  suggested otherwise.




Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History
History Department
Central Connecticut State University
1615 Stanley Street
 New Britain. CT 06050


From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:21 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Short Video on Swahili Civilization at Malindi, Kenya: www.vimeo.com/281582940
 

It is one thing to recognize that Africans probably had more writing systems collectively than Europe,

as Bekerie points out  but quite a different issue   to suggest that if something is not recorded on a piece of paper or equivalent, that it does not exist.  This  is what I mean by the Eurocentric text trap.


So what text did you have in mind for the Swahili site? What were your expectations?


Which older competing language was in the coastal East African seaboard?  Swahili is a Bantu language of great ancestry despite  external influences.



Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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From: 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 2:58 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Short Video on Swahili Civilization at Malindi, Kenya: www.vimeo.com/281582940
 
Thanks Gloria. 

Igbo Ukwu was found in an area where the indigenous language is not in dispute compared to the Swahili complex with older competing languages. 

Moreover, Igboukwu excavations came with textiles and the roped pot, among other artifacts, not based mainly on skeletons. As Afigbo suggested, the textile is also a text. 

To suggest that only Europeans have texts is to defer to the white supremacy of Hegel that Derrida demolished with Of Grammatology in which he argued that writing, in general, is engaged in by all cultures that are able to name themselves. By the way, it was Africans who invented the text, not Europeans.

Biko


On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
<emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

"How do we know that the skeleton spoke Swahili? I was expecting an excavation of the earliest known texts in Swahili. "


Biko


Thanks for the insightful comment. I defer to the experts in the area such as Professor Kusimba who has done remarkable work in the area but here are some of my thoughts on this issue.

When Thurstan Shaw and his numerous  local historians and guides came across  Igbo-Ukwu,  no one doubted that these were
aspects of Igbo civilization,  and no one needed a written text to prove it. The assemblage included culture items of thousands of beads,
fabric,  and cultural artifacts that pointed to the culture of the region. In fact should we adopt a text- based approach we would  be falling into the Eurocentric text trap. Cultural artifacts have  provided powerful markers for archeologists -  in addition to other variables including forensic analysis of skeletal remains.

The Swahili are  fundamentally part of the  African Bantu family and so, too, the language that they speak -  give and take loan words from other languages. Cultural practices, continuities, affiliations, and  commercial and economic activities in the African Eastern Seaboard were unifying  features. 

Recent dating at Ntwapa, Malindi, Kenya  apparently  point to  1732BC but the best person to provide information on this is Prof Kusimba who is at the forefront of this research.

Gloria



Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries on
Africa and the African Diaspora
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8608322804 Fax


From: 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:49 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Short Video on Swahili Civilization at Malindi, Kenya: www.vimeo.com/281582940
 
How do we know that the skeleton spoke Swahili? I was expecting an excavation of the earliest known texts in Swahili.

Biko


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
<emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

Short video on  "Relics of 14th century Swahili Civilization at Malindi, Kenya."



www.vimeo.com/281582940



Upgrade of  A tribute to Wangari Maathai with more footage from Kenya


www.vimeo.com/281212365


Comments are most welcome.


GE

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