Rabbi the Wise,
You are missing something in the capitalization of Mr. Cockroach with a capital C throughout the poem. This was a deliberate personification of the pest. I read this as a reference to what the Yoruba colloquially refer to as Olopa or Mr. Blackfoot Policeman with polished boots that shone like the Cockroach. I believe that Baba Sho was referring to the shiny boots of the goons of genocide that the poet witnessed and heard marching condemned political prisoners to the gallows without a word of protest from opportunistic leftwing and rightwing intellectuals despite the clanging noise of the chains that trailed them.
You are also mistaken in assuming that Brer Rabbit is only demanding blood money when he observed that Nigerian culture, including the Yoruba, had no record of genocide prior to the imposition of a genocidal identity culture by slavery and colonialism/neocolonialism. In my view and, if I may speak for baba Sho, in the view of the poet too, genocide is always deserving of condemnation irrespective of whose ox is gored. Genocide denialism is always beneath contempt for the holocaust is a crime against humanity, all of humanity.
Ken Harrow, apparently responding to a private communication, said that the conversation should not be read only at the political level even if it was a deliberately political poem written in solitary confinement by an activist who opposed genocide. I concur. When I pointed out that the leftwing and the right wing of Mr. Cockroach combined to carry it away from the critical sight of the poet, I was not just scoring a political point. I believe that I was revealing a poetic symbolism that literary critics are yet to appreciate in the poem when they read the wings spreading without acknowledging the truism that the rightwing could not do the job without the leftwing. Baba Sho brought out this symbolism more clearly in the very same Cryptic collection when he talked about the leftwing and the rightwing of the genocidal Soviet jet bombers that delivered death to the innocent. In any case, to say that the poem is more than political is far from denying that it was a political poem. I agree that for it to work as a poem, the bard had to employ literary allusions, meters, diction, metaphors and similes to allow possible competing interpretations but I insist that the hegemonic interpretation remains the condemnation of a genocide that actually took place for which the poet suffered in opposition without so-called leftwingers and psuedo intellectuals saying pim in opposition. What sort of intellectuals would do that? Rabbi the wise said that we should only ask questions, even if they are rhetorical.
Ken was also mistaken in mythologizing the poem by invoking the drunkenness of Ogun as the explanation for the slaughter of the innocent Igbo masses by those who were power drunk and with the support of fellow masses and even with the cheerleading by intellectual Cockroaches just because the victimized spoke a different tongue. In the case of Ogun, the slaughter was that of his followers who probably fell to cholera after drinking contaminated palmwine. That myth of origin is common in other cultures when epidemics were common and when the cause was always attributable to some angry Orisa that needed to be appeased as was the case in Oedipus Rex or in Okonkwo's consultation of the Agbara Arusi to divine the causes of his misfortune in life. In the case of the genocide against the Igbo, Baba Sho was joining his friend, Ola Rotimi to scream that The Gods Are Not to Blame. I do not believe that the reason why Yoruba and Middle Belt Christian intellectuals and army officers led the genocide against the Christian Igbo was because they had a history of genocidal identities. Baba Sho leads from the front by demonstrating that you do not have to be Igbo to condemn the genocide against them: injustice anywhere is always a threat to justice everywhere. No be so?
Biko
On Saturday, 1 December 2018, 15:58, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
In this court of public opinion, about this too one can only ruminate, ask questions, not submit an answer for professorial judgements
"I lit a thin green candle to make you jealous of me,
But the room just filled up with mosquitoes, they heard that my body was free" (One of us cannot be wrong)
I am familiar with Soyinka as the chronicler of various points of view and this his dialogue at night, with a cockroach is just one of many points of view, this time disguised / conveyed in not such straightforward poetry.
Unfortunately, Kofi Swegbe Ignoramus read the explications and discussion that have surfaced in this thread so far, before reading the actual poem Conversation at Night with a Cockroach by Wole Soyinka.
It is a difficult poem
Do you identify the "I" - the " I murmured to their riven hearts:" with the murmurer, Wole Soyinka ?
Is it a soliloquy?
There's always a point of intersection , the confluence where poetry / point of view /propaganda /the personal appreciation of any given poetry meets, I am not happy with this sentence: "Much of the violence in Nigeria during the time Soyinka was writing was done in the name of lofty causes such as the preservation of Yoruba identity." Does history bear this out as the truth? I don't know, and tentatively, I don't think so. It is a mischievous sentence of insidious intent which must not be swallowed unawares , much as the subliminal messages in adverts are swallowed, mostly unawares. Somebody could please explain to those of us who do not understand the import of that sentence that the Yoruba - at whatever specific period of history or historical events/ incidents the poem is said to be alluding to, spilt blood for "the preservation of Yoruba identity."
And not unexpectedly, trust Brer Biko Agozino ( like Samson Agonistes ) not to fail to seize the momentary opportunity standing not on shifting sands but on higher moral grounds, to engage in some more of the inter-tribal ( Igbo-Yoruba ) recriminations about that ancient genocidal claim and the longing for apology , maybe what the Saudis would call "blood money"/ reparations for the victims of Biafra secession .
A recent survey in Sweden showed that on the whole old people are even worse than the younger folks when it comes to distinguishing between news and advertisements. It's another instance of innocent people falling victim to the authority of the printed word - sometime the misleading word, believed in as another Gospel truth inspired by the inerrant Almighty
A little incongruous to have a hapless cockroach sharing some of the attributes of Ogun , unless it could be said, so are we all, cockroaches who
"peep about,
To find ourselves dishonourable graves" -
even given that all are mortal and that some of mankind's deities have been fleshed out with human qualities, so that we may better understand them
But what does Kofi Ignoramus know about cockroaches , anyway, apart from this Krio proverb that , " When kakroach wan die ee kin go fen palmain bottle " ( When the cockroach wants to commit suicide it goes looking for a bottle of palm oil in which to drown itself) and that fateful evening Gaddafi's son Saif Gaddafi using the same inauspicious term "cockroaches" and "rats" to describe the alleged troublemakers that they were going to wipe out in Benghazi ( according to the al-Jazeera translation of his venomous Arabic ) causing some reaction from concerned NATO quarters : they swung into action overnight, established some no fly zones, with the effects of that initial move to be seen up to this very day.
On Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:27:12 UTC+1, Oluwatoyin Ade-Odutola wrote:
"Conversation at Night with a Cockroach"
Karen Van Ness '92 (English 32, Spring 1990)
Soyinka discusses the problem of stopping violence in his poem "Conversation at Night with a Cockroach." The situation in Nigeria probably influenced this theme. The Nigerian Civil War, the election of 1965, and following riots, and the general corruption and violence that had plagued Nigerian politics all fit into the theme discussed in the poem. Soyinka structures the poem by means of a dialogue between a man and a cockroach. He gives the human speaker a voice representing his own; the speaker's statements can be assumed to be Soyinka's. The cockroach speaks for the encouragers of violence, it tells humanity to kill for profit and to continue the violence by using lies and treachery. The cockroach replies to the man's protest that too many have died by saying:I murmured to their riven hearts:
Yet blood must flow, a living flood
Bravely guarded, boldly splitMuch of the violence in Nigeria during the time Soyinka was writing was done in the name of lofty causes such as the preservation of Yoruba identity. The cockroach's argument represents these rationalizations for continuing violence. Soyinka finds these words "stale deception, Blasphemer's consolation." Soyinka suggests a force worse than anything humans could produce plagues his nation, thus he uses cockroaches to symbolize this evil. The human speaker claims "Not human attributes were these/that fell upon us". Both the man and the cockroach are aware that the violence is unstoppable due to the cockroach's actions and man's weaknesses. The poem opens with the man addressing the cockroach and lamenting the fact that all of his people's plans for peace have been ruined by the cockroach. The cockroach acknowledges its fault and laughs at the useless attempts by the humans to cleanse their land.Half-way up your grove of union
We watched you stumble-mere men
Lose footing on the peaks of deities.Man has given into and joined with evil, according to Soyinka. Although the human speaker condemns the cockroach's falseness, apparently many others have believed in it. A third voice which seems to be an impartial narrator enters the poem and describesA round table, board
Of the new abiding-man, ghoul, Cockroach,
Jackal and broods of vile crossbreedings
Broke bread to a loud veneration
Of awe-filled creatures of the wild.
Sat to a feast of love-our pulsing hearts!Soyinka's picturing of man at a love feast with cockroaches and ghouls shows his belief that man has compromised with evil, forming an unnatural, frightening alliance. After witnessing the corruption of the rulers and the nightmares of the violence in Nigeria, it might well have seemed as if man had aligned with some unnatural force.Throughout the poem, Soyinka uses imagery and symbolism to express his ideas and emotions. In addition to the symbols of the image, Soyinka uses images of the land to help establish the ideas in the poem. The human speaker describes the land asNo air, no earth, no loves or death
Only the brittle sky in harmattan
And in due season, rain to waken the shurb
A hailstone herald to the rouse
Of hills, echoes in canyons, pastures
In the palm of ranges, moss horizons
On distant ridges, anthill spires for milestones.This image brings out the desolation of the land as well as the mindset of its inhabitants. For example, the phrase "anthill spires for milestones" shows both the flat emptiness of the land and suggests that anthills may be made mentally into milestones. The poems ends when the cockroachSpread its wings in a feeble sun
And rasped his saw-teeth. A song
Of triumph rose on the deadened air
A feeler probed the awful silence,
Withdrew in foreknowing contentment
All was well. All was even
As it was in the beginningThe most prevalent symbol in "Conversation at Night With a Cockroach", is of course, the cockroach. At once it brings up feelings of subversion, obstinate survival, and disgust, all of which are appropriate associations for the evil that it represents. Fire, another important symbol in the poem, stands for the attempt by mankind to purge the land of evil. The human speaker claimsIn that year's crucible we sought
To force impurities in nation weal
Belly-up, heat-drawn by fires
Of truth.The crucible may stand for the elections of 1965, the first free elections held in Nigeria in several years, or it may stand for the combined attempts to purify Nigeria. The cockroach picks up on this symbolism and statesYou lit the fires, you and saw
Your dawn of dawning yield
To our noon of darknessThe election failed to halt the corrupt practices of the ruling party and ended in riots that were to develope into the Biafran War. One of the most striking symbols in the poem is "a mine/ Of gold-filling the teeth of death". This image refers to the perpetuating of violence for personal gain by Nigerian leaders.Thus Soyinka's poem "Conversation at Night With a Cockroach" paints a bleak picture for mankind. Soyinka finds the actions of mankind to be worthy of cockroaches, not men. The fact that the conversation is at night as suggested by the title furthers the idea that humanity is lost in darkness. Soyinka shows no solution to the problems he presents, probally because he had seen the same cycles of violence repeated over and over again. He sums up his resignation to disaster in the prayer of the men in the poem: "May Heaven comfort you;/ On earth, our fears must teach us silence."On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 9:59:22 AM EST, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:Strange to know that, instead of writing a rejoinder, some leftists who suffered from what Lenin diagnosed as an infantile disorder wanted to beat up Comrade Eskor for challenging them to go beyond armchair leftwing communism and engage in the national democratic revolution.Yet no leftists threatened to beat up the military dictators for suspending the constitution and ruling by decree. Some even rallied behind the military during the genocide against the Igbo under the petty bourgeois ideology of national defencism.Soyinka said it best in his dialogue with the Cockroach poem which ended when the left wing and the right wing of the Cockroach spread to carry the pest away.--Biko
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