Wednesday, March 20, 2019

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Christianity in Nigeria's Igboland : Paradox of Creativity and Destruction: Creatively Transformative Effects of Christianity in Igbo Culture: A Debate

This is what some religions may do to you.Your entire life becomes an apology - from dawn to dusk, and your mothers and fathers and yourself terrified by  threats of hellfire and eternal damnation, to paraphrase Biko. You become an easy prey to pedophilia - and even genocide,  should the history of the Americas  be used as a cautionary tale.  But you cannot see this unless you are outside the box. Buddhism is more inspiring.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History and African Studies
Central Connecticut State University
africahistory.net
2019 NYASA Distinguished Africanist Awardee
From: 'Michael Afolayan' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 11:00:27 PM
To: usaafricadialogue; usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Christianity in Nigeria's Igboland : Paradox of Creativity and Destruction: Creatively Transformative Effects of Christianity in Igbo Culture: A Debate
 
I'm confused! The conclusions consistently contradict their own premises. Am I missing something? Help me out here, Oluwatoyin.
Michael





On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 12:20:53 PM GMT+1, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:



                       Christianity in Nigeria's Igboland

                       Paradox of Creativity and Destruction

   Creatively Transformative Effects of Christianity in Igbo Culture
                                                                                                                   A Debate

                   Titled and Compiled 
                                 by           
                   Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
                             Compcros
      Comparative Cognitive Processes and Systems 






                                 


Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe                                                                
17 hrs · 

If you are an Igbo twin, and you hate Christianity, you are a 'bornfool'! Christianity would have allowed you to be thrown into the evil forest of your village.

If your family was ohu (slave), and you hate Christianity, you are very 'iberibed'! Christianity would have allowed you to be buried alive as you escort a titled man to the other world.

If you cut your upper teeth first, and you hate Christianity, you a first-class efulefu! Christianity would have allowed you to be dumped in the evil forest of your village or sold to Aro slave dealers.

If you have children who are not up to two years apart, and you hate Christianity, you are a cow head! Christianity would have allowed your younger child to be sold to Aro slave dealers.

If you did not walk before three years, and you hate Christianity, ibu okpo! Christianity would have allowed your people destroy you.

If you suffer from diabetes, liver and/or kidney problems... and you hate Christianity, you are not just efulefu, you are 'efoolefool' (a-fool-a-fool). Christianity would have allowed you be a candidate for dumping in the evil forest at death.

If you as a woman started seeing your period too early, and you hate Christianity, you are an unfortunate aturu. Christianity would have allowed you to be sold to Aro slave dealers.

Before you hate Christianity, make sure this same Christianity is not the reason why you are alive and free today, lest Karma remembers your house address. Anyone trying to make you believe that Christianity came with no good might just be a former Aro slave dealer or a former priest in charge of your village evil forest, please, run from such ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž

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  • Jimmy Abia
    Jimmy Abia Igbo never killed twins. No records of such. It only happened in some areas of Calabar province
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe My dear, don't say this loud! The records are everywhere!! I used to think so before, now I know better; even my people of Abia state did.
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    • Godwin Uche Ezeugwu
      Godwin Uche Ezeugwu Powerful liar. Why did u want to become Laid Mohammed?
    • Loveday Chimenka Ogbonna
      Loveday Chimenka Ogbonna Jimmy Abia, Igbos killed twins, my grandfather saved one twin and their mother already thrown into the evil forest in those days. Christianity is a blessing
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando You're a BIG LIAR, Loveday Chimenka Ogbonna! The IGBO name for twins is EJIMA. CHRISTIANITY HAS THE WORST LIE ON IGBOS!
    • Edwin Abba
      Edwin Abba Igbo killed twins!!! My uncles - two boys were killed because they were born twins. Now I have twins, my sister has twins, my uncle had twins! What do you think would have been happening in my lineage if the killing of twins was not abolished! My brother, Igbos killed twins very much.
    • Isiodu แปคna Kelechi R.
      Isiodu แปคna Kelechi R. My grandmother was rescued ... a survivor. She never spoke about it but to say only that it happened. 

      The classics written by Ndi Igbo all allude to it. Uchendu's classic for instance... The government anthropologists all spoke/reported about it. Alb      inism isn't covered even in your list. So thanks, Ike Chi-ukwu for your post. 

      That said ... it wasn't across all of Igboland ... as with all customs, not everything is homogeneous to all of the land.
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Edwin Abba, are you Igbo? Where is this your uncle living and we 'll get to him as soon as possible to swear on this?
    • Hrh Calistus Obichi Igwe
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Isiodu Na Kelechi R, where is this your Grand Mother from? Is she an Effik cross breed Igbo or Igbo bu Igbo?!
    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe KC, you are right, nothing was universal. My people hardly know what is osu; but it would be ridiculous to come out to claim Igbo had no osu.
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    • Edwin Abba
      Edwin Abba Igidikwu Abbor Nando ....O buru na ichoro imata ma m bu Igbo bu Igbo, ngwa jiri asusu Igbo zaa m.
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando If your people were truly Igbos and never knew anything as OSU, they might know of OHU/ORU and both ORU & OSU were same.
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    • Isiodu แปคna Kelechi R.
      Isiodu แปคna Kelechi R. Igidikwu ... Igbo ... She is late too. So, I would that you spare me/spare us the insults. 

      Anyi wแปฅ Isu Owere ... Si Nri gbadatachaa... I wasn't going to respond ... But, exceptions are good now and then. Let us hold our peace. 

      Animals only are 'cross-bred' ... so ... Ya diwa.
    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Igidikwu ohu and osu are not the same oo
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    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando If cross breed only ends in Animals then you should know that Humans were only "higher animals" in terms of reasoning.
    • Felix Kings
      Felix Kings My g.mother had a twin, and they were killed. My dad sheared the story. I am from Abia, and I am Igbo.
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    • Chigere J Ozoemena
      Chigere J Ozoemena Christianity condones slavery, stoning of non-virgin, woman on her period is unclean in the bible. In every culture evil practice happened both in the bible
    • Chigere J Ozoemena
      Chigere J Ozoemena Secularism stopped slavery while christianity is main beneficiary in slave trade
    • Chibuike Okoro
      Chibuike Okoro Jimmy Abia ,what are talking about my grand father did.
    • Chibuike Okoro
      Chibuike Okoro Igidikwu Abbor Nando ,why is it some of you argue without fact? My grand father killed his twins.
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  • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
    Igidikwu Abbor Nando Who told you that the Killimg of twins was Igbo culture?
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  • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
    Igidikwu Abbor Nando On "Ohu" of a thing, how have your Christianity help those in it out? Besides every society recognises class differences
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  • Okenyi Chukwudi
    Okenyi Chukwudi Lair Muhammed 2 and a stranger to Igbo culture
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  • Luke Chinweuba
    Luke Chinweuba I hate this post, what do you know about Omenala to paint Igbo past history such black. Nollywood effect! Where is the location of your village evil forest?
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Luke, will you also deny the existence of 'ajo ofia'?
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    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba There is nothing like evil forest. Is there any in your village?
    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Nollywood effect
    • Edwin Abba
      Edwin Abba My uncles were killed because they were twins.
    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Edwin Abba where the location of evil forest in your village?
    • Edwin Abba
      Edwin Abba I just told you what my own grandmother told me, my father and his siblings confirmed the same. What's your argument about?
    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Luke, ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ I laugh... where the Eluigwe's now live was once an 'ajo ofia'. We had to bring people -lepers actually- from outside to clear it. No one from my place wanted to come near.
    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Your village borrowed Alusi so they may have borrowed twin killing but that is not the way of Omenala
    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Separated land was for burial of youth and quarantining of lepers and not evil forest Ikechukwu
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    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba There is no evil forest in Igbo land
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Luke, evil forest is direct translation of what Igbos called such bushes 'ajo ofia/ohia'.
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    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Just I never knew anything amadioha, ogugu, ukpo , I never heard of ajo ofia as nwa Enugu-ezike. I'm not surprised some Igbo community borrowed more than others but pure Omenala is universal
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe As for borrowed customs, yes we borrowed a lot. It is the job of scholarship to identify what was borrowed. But mind you, we cant accept all the good as original Igbo and reject all the bad as borrowed; that will be laughable ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ We are all still learning, my dear.
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    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Ajo ofia is that forest where someone with LEPROUSY or any contagious diseases or ajo'gwu were send to avoid epidermic
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe You are right... those assumed to have died wrongly also ended up there. Those killed by the gods, eg for swearing wrongly, ended up there.
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Yes, we knew that, Ike Chukwu Eluigwe, but no EJIMA was ever cast out there as a commandment from OMENANA IGBO!
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Mind you, Ike Chiukwu Eli'gwe, there is difference btwn AJO OFIA (evil forest) & AJO AGWU (grave yard).
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Igidikwu, keep asking, you may chance upon an elder that will tell you.
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Most of my investigations was on those who had never been to Church and are over 90, my Father was 101, he knew no such.
    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Igidikwu Abbor Nando, give this man black out. He is determined to degrade Omenala Igbo
    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Igidikwu, tell me where you are from....
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  • Luke Chinweuba
    Luke Chinweuba I feel like unfriending you honestly, only if you understand how this post hurt my feelings
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe If it hurt your feelings, then you are not ready to face truth. You have no qualms attacking Christianity with shit, but squirm when truths about your past shows up. My friend, read more; we can't be better denying the past.
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    • Edwin Abba
      Edwin Abba Ignorance is hurting your feeling. Not the post. Because if you know, it won't hurt you. I was a history student. And I was told by my late granny and Dad how her twins were killed.
    • Ugo Eugoswak Nwakohu
      Ugo Eugoswak Nwakohu Edwin Abba, which area was that twins were killed?
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  • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
    Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe One day, some of you will deny that Aro people sold slaves...
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  • Luke Chinweuba
    Luke Chinweuba Who were the slave masters? Not Christians?
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    • Chimaraoke Okoro
      Chimaraoke Okoro Being European, doesn't make you automatically a Christian. One is a race, the other is a religion or if you may, a lifestyle influenced by personal convictions on a deity.
      Stop confusing the both.
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Were Aros Christians? Were those selling to the Aros Christians?
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    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Slave trade was stopped by modern civilisation not Christianity. Remember every religion encouraged slave trade except Omenala. If you sell ones Son into slavery and he takes to Ana, you will die because it is NSO ala
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    • Luke Chinweuba
      Luke Chinweuba Don't forget Olauda equino who was among the first set of people to fight against slave trade is Igbo
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Luke, research more... let me not say much, nwanne
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe, had it not been for HISTORY & RECORDS your CHRISTIANITY CRUSADE would be free of BLOOD SHEDS today
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe You are right... we should expose evil even if it is in Christianity!
    • Chigere J Ozoemena
      Chigere J Ozoemena Chimaraoke Okoro bible condones slavery. Read your bible
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  • Ugo Eugoswak Nwakohu
    Ugo Eugoswak Nwakohu Was there any part of Igbo land that killed twins?
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Yes, my dear. I don't think it was all; but most. It stopped roughly hundred years ago.
    • Ugo Eugoswak Nwakohu
      Ugo Eugoswak Nwakohu I have always tried to get info on a particular area that did such
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe I am from Abia; it happened in Abia communities... and most areas with the Nri influence.
    • Ikenna Anyake
      Ikenna Anyake A foremost transporter from Nnewi was picked up by a missionary, at a time when both twins were no more killed but one kept and the other thrown away. Igbo killed twins at a time in our history
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    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Ikenna Anyake, hapu akuko ifo nwanne. There was never such time in the HISTORY of OMENANA, never!
    • Ikenna Anyake
      Ikenna Anyake Igidikwu Abbor Nando people who have a firsthand knowledge of this issue would be laughing hard at your ignorance here, and might begin to doubt any of your post on Omenani
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando Then i am forced to as you, Nwanne Ikenna Anyake, what's OMENANA? Mind you, any borrowed culture isn't OMENANA IGBO.
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  • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
    Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe My place hardly knows what is called osu, but it will be ridiculous denying osu exists in Igbo land
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando If your place hardly knew of OSU they 'll know of OHU/ORU, will you stop sounding that emotional sympathetic please!
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  • Okafแป Judith Chinwe
    Okafแป Judith Chinwe Some distorted historical accounts here.... Even Christianity is not as holy as you portray it.
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe Thank God you know Christianity is not as holy...we all live in an imperfect world. The Igbo say "biri kam biri"; those who flout this stir up dirty waters ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜
    • Chigere J Ozoemena

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