Tuesday, July 9, 2019

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No hate speech!

Thousands of helpless and innocent Nigerians are regularly massacred and displaced  by a terrorist group centred in Fulani herdsmen and the person writing the post immediately below this one buries this profound suggestion into the concoction he has manufactured- 

'A more important question: Isn't it about time that the Federal government provided armed escorts for the Fulani Herdsmen?'

Nigerians thank you for your care over the preservation of their lives.

As for the rest of what he has written, is it worth responding to?

Just like the other chap called OAA refuses to examine history but makes assertions that have no bearing on what is written by Adepoju.

Oga, examine the issues before us. Scrutinize the facts before you and draw conclusions which others can then analyse. 

Flight into emotional conjurations will not help the rising body count and destabilization generated  across Nigeria by the terrorists in question.

Is it true or not that Fulani herdsmen's terrorism exists in Nigeria?

Is it true that they have open support from Miyetti Allah, led by Nigeria's most eminent Fulani?

Is it true that  Fulani herdsmen's terrorism  is Nigeria's primary security threat, eclipsing Boko Haram, on account of   Fulani herdsmen's terrorism's territorial scope and synergy with Miyetti Allah and the Fulani led fed govt?

While these facts have become incontrovertible across Nigeria on account of the sheer brazenness of these characters, some people on this group argue these assertions are not factual.

Challenged by Salimonu Kadiri and Olayinka Agbetuyi, figures in this camp, I produced the following compilation-


These people, like the person below, keep pretending, agst the unfolding Nigerian reality, that these facts do not exist. They are not interested in the evidence.

This game of deliberate blindness has run its course.

Nigerians are not buying it any more.

toyin




 



On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 15:19, Cornelius Hamelberg <hamelbergcornelius4@gmail.com> wrote:

 Of  some relevance: This interesting piece about Hate Speech:

The Fight for the Future of YouTube | The New Yorker

Toyin Adepoju. Some of us are sick and tired of him. We are all witness to the passion and the hysterical, monomaniac zeal with which Toyin V. Adepoju is and has been conducting his relentless crusade against what he fears is a movement towards "Northern Hegemony!" With my own background and experience, the relentlessness of his attacks leaves me wondering who he is or could be working for and if anyone - either a conglomerate of disgruntled, power-hungry opposition politicians or indeed a foreign power who would like to see the rapid disintegration and demise of Nigeria along the well-known fault lines of the North-south, Muslim-Christian divide, is paying him to do what he does: Because it seems that when not dabbling in esoterica he is otherwise occupied 24 hours a day – every day – as the archives also bear witness, either bashing Islam as the animus of Fulani Herdsmen protecting their cows, that it's Islam and not Christianity behind prominent Muslims such as President Buhari, and Nigeria's foremost Islamic leaders such as the Sultan of Sokoto and the Emir of Kano, and members of the various organizations under the umbrella of the Miyetti Allah Cattle Breeders Association of Nigeria – all of Fulani ethnicity and said to be leading the caravan in the so-called drive to the alleged "Northern hegemony" : That it's power-hungry Islam that's the driving force behind our beleaguered Fulani Herdsmen's survival instinct when it comes to warding off potential cattle rustlers; that it's Islam that's to blame when the Fulani herdsmen struggle to fend off hostile neighbours through whose territories they have to trek in their long journeys to the abattoirs and hungry stomach forever waiting to be filled by delicious Fulani beef, further South, through the ever-expanding so called "Middle-Belt and much further South, down south, the True South, to their pen-ultimate destination: the hungry stomachs in the South-east and the South-west of the once great, the still undivided and united Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Who is Adepoju working for? No doubt, he will say that he is a Nigerian and that Nigerians don't work for other people, even if he has some of the characteristics of some people who I know work for other people. No doubt his reply would be about the rivers of pure Nigerian blood beating in his heart and coursing through his arteries and his veins, even if he has previously declared the causes which impel him and some others of his kith and kin to separation, from what is now Nigeria.

A more important question: Isn't it about time that the Federal government provided armed escorts for the Fulani Herdsmen?

In this his latest response to Michael O. Afolayan's innocent remonstrations, blow by blow, Adepoju has painstakingly, sometimes with meticulous details situated the whole problem along the North-South axis. The way he sees it, it's the armed North (which he equates with Nigeria's national army) versus the unarmed and toothless South, so that helplessly wringing his hands Adepoju cries,

"The only weapon the South has is speaking up as loudly as possible. ".

This impotent victim's' cry from Adepoju is further amplified earlier on by the same Adepoju stopping short of calling for an armed insurrection or Civil disobedience - a call which I thought Oga Falola would have censored


On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 05:17, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Toyin Adepojus prefereed solutiin seem to be that we should arm ourselves for war and wipe out the Fulani.

Ask him where his battalions are stationed since he would not be using the Nigerian Armed Forces commanded by a Fulani President.

OAA



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Date: 08/07/2019 04:10 (GMT+00:00)
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"Efforts like yours to claim, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that all is well, will not dissuade the right wing Fulani warlords, as the rivers of blood they are spilling makes clear, as they persistently struggle to manipulate  govt policy in tandem with the massacres they are committing, trying to force Nigerians to bend to their dominance in order to gain respite from this incessant bloodletting." (Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju)

Dear Toyin Adepoju:

I think you are pushing this issue too far and in the process you seem to be seeing things that are not as if they are and those that are as if they are not. One of such is the claim that Falola is claiming that "all is well." I am a living witness to the fact that we just finished a conference (TOFAC) here in Nigeria (at Babcock U) plus another major gathering at the First Technical University, Ibadan, where Falola gave the first keynote address of the new institution. If anything, he said exactly the opposite of what you just said about him. I think much of what he uttered was that all was not well, and proffering solutions on the way forward.  Even press reports indicated his firm stance on the need for the nation's leadership to address the problem with the "Fulani warlords" (I'm not sure he used that phrase though). Suggesting he is promoting the "all is well" propaganda tends to align him with the disillusioned folks who, like the proverbial ostrich, hide their heads in the sand. I think he is too apolitical to be in that group and is as concerned about this matter as you are, if not more. To subtly align his effort with that of Neville Chamberlain (I can't even believe you said that!!!) is such an unfair characterization for which you need to apologize to him (not that he would care whether you do or not). It's just my own "egbonly" advice to you since I like you personally.

And by the way, we missed you at TOFAC with your most interesting topic!

Stay well . . .

Michael O. Afolayan

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On Sunday, July 7, 2019, 6:36:57 PM GMT+1, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks, Prof.Falola,

But with all due respect are you not avoiding reality? 

Your No.1 is not true - " 1. Evil and Good are equally distributed all over the country. All ethnicities have their evil leaders."

There us no other ethnicity in the country engaged in nation wide terrorism apart from right wing Fulani.

Even Boko Haram dont have that national spread.

There is no ethnic leadership in today's Nigeria supporting terrorism apart from right wing Fulani ethnic leadership, particularly Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation which has severally owned up to and justified massacres by Fulani herdsmen and gone scot free under the watch of Nigeria's Fulani led govt in which practically all, if not all the security agencies are headed by ethno/religious affiliates of the same right wing characters.

You are a historian. You are well informed of the dangers of appeasement of persistently dangerously belligerent characters.

Neville Chamberlain's efforts to appease Hitler before WW2 are well known.

You are also informed about the use of the janjaweed in Sudan by President Omar Al Bashir, the same line being towed today by Buhari. Miyetti Allah and the Fulani herdsmen militia.

Efforts like yours to claim, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that all is well, will not dissuade the right wing Fulani warlords, as the rivers of blood they are spilling makes clear, as they persistently struggle to manipulate  govt policy in tandem with the massacres they are committing, trying to force Nigerians to bend to their dominance in order to gain respite from this incessant bloodletting. 

The only way they can be made to pull back is persistent push back from Nigerians, like the recurrent outcries over the various moves to hoist Fulani herdsmen settlements on other Nigerians, the latest being the RUGA plan.

Fora are badly needed for these issues to be aired and debated as is done here.

Its wise to prevent extreme attitudes but your stated stance looks like a flight from reality.

You might have  blocked my post on the possibility of all out war in response to the war already declared on unwitting Nigerians by the right wing Fulani. The imminence of that all out war is already staring us in the face.

Safer to raise issues and debate them than claim that the house that is Nigeria is not already on fire by right wing ethnic supremacists.

SW, SE, Midwest, Southern Kaduna, the entire nation is crying out under the burden of Fulani herdsmen terrorism and you are declaring that "Evil and Good are equally distributed all over the country. All ethnicities have their evil leaders"?

Thanks

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju  







On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at 17:10, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
Some postings on the Fulani that I rejected have bothered on hate speech.

Let us all exercise caution and to remember the following:

1. Evil and Good are equally distributed all over the country. All ethnicities have their evil leaders.
2. The victims are the poor
3. Hate speech can trigger genocide
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