You did well, Oluwatosin Vincent Adepoju, in proffering a lengthy explanation to my brief observation. Seriously, I don't want you to shoot the proverbial fly with a million dollar cannon. You have fiercer battles and bigger enemies in the theater of operation. I sure know you were trying to react to Falola's intervention in his attempt to caution against various reactions bordering on bigotry and hate, which prompted him to state that:
1. Evil and Good are equally distributed all over the country. All ethnicities have their evil leaders.
2. The victims are the poor
3. Hate speech can trigger genocide
Moderator
2. The victims are the poor
3. Hate speech can trigger genocide
Moderator
Take out the phrase "equally distributed" and replace it with the word "found" and you will be okay, right? I, too, will. Would it not be universally and empirically true, though, that evil and good are found all over our country (and in all societies)? Don't all ethnic groups have their leaders that are evil? Aren't the victims always the poor, prompting the saying that "when two elephants fight it's the grass that suffers"? Isn't it factual that hate speeches do have the tendency to trigger genocide?
But, really, my position is not on the specificity of Falola in his three positions but the "all is well" claim that you attributed to him and that such claim would not be consistent with his known position not only in the past but even in contemporary circumstances as in the two instances I cited.
And as for the Chamberlain's allusion, I think a man with such poor (or even bad) leadership record in the history of England does not fit the profile of TF that you and I know. Don't you think so?
That's all I was trying to say in a nutshell.
Affectionately,
MOA
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 4:17:10 AM GMT+1, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Toyin Adepojus prefereed solutiin seem to be that we should arm ourselves for war and wipe out the Fulani.
Ask him where his battalions are stationed since he would not be using the Nigerian Armed Forces commanded by a Fulani President.
OAA
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Date: 08/07/2019 04:10 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No hate speech!
This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com) Add cleanup rule | More info "Efforts like yours to claim, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that all is well, will not dissuade the right wing Fulani warlords, as the rivers of blood they are spilling makes clear, as they persistently struggle to manipulate govt policy in tandem with the massacres they are committing, trying to force Nigerians to bend to their dominance in order to gain respite from this incessant bloodletting." (Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju)
Dear Toyin Adepoju:
I think you are pushing this issue too far and in the process you seem to be seeing things that are not as if they are and those that are as if they are not. One of such is the claim that Falola is claiming that "all is well." I am a living witness to the fact that we just finished a conference (TOFAC) here in Nigeria (at Babcock U) plus another major gathering at the First Technical University, Ibadan, where Falola gave the first keynote address of the new institution. If anything, he said exactly the opposite of what you just said about him. I think much of what he uttered was that all was not well, and proffering solutions on the way forward. Even press reports indicated his firm stance on the need for the nation's leadership to address the problem with the "Fulani warlords" (I'm not sure he used that phrase though). Suggesting he is promoting the "all is well" propaganda tends to align him with the disillusioned folks who, like the proverbial ostrich, hide their heads in the sand. I think he is too apolitical to be in that group and is as concerned about this matter as you are, if not more. To subtly align his effort with that of Neville Chamberlain (I can't even believe you said that!!!) is such an unfair characterization for which you need to apologize to him (not that he would care whether you do or not). It's just my own "egbonly" advice to you since I like you personally.
And by the way, we missed you at TOFAC with your most interesting topic!
Stay well . . .
Michael O. Afolayan
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019, 6:36:57 PM GMT+1, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Prof.Falola,
But with all due respect are you not avoiding reality?
Your No.1 is not true - " 1. Evil and Good are equally distributed all over the country. All ethnicities have their evil leaders."
There us no other ethnicity in the country engaged in nation wide terrorism apart from right wing Fulani.
Even Boko Haram dont have that national spread.
There is no ethnic leadership in today's Nigeria supporting terrorism apart from right wing Fulani ethnic leadership, particularly Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation which has severally owned up to and justified massacres by Fulani herdsmen and gone scot free under the watch of Nigeria's Fulani led govt in which practically all, if not all the security agencies are headed by ethno/religious affiliates of the same right wing characters.
You are a historian. You are well informed of the dangers of appeasement of persistently dangerously belligerent characters.
Neville Chamberlain's efforts to appease Hitler before WW2 are well known.
You are also informed about the use of the janjaweed in Sudan by President Omar Al Bashir, the same line being towed today by Buhari. Miyetti Allah and the Fulani herdsmen militia.
Efforts like yours to claim, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that all is well, will not dissuade the right wing Fulani warlords, as the rivers of blood they are spilling makes clear, as they persistently struggle to manipulate govt policy in tandem with the massacres they are committing, trying to force Nigerians to bend to their dominance in order to gain respite from this incessant bloodletting.
The only way they can be made to pull back is persistent push back from Nigerians, like the recurrent outcries over the various moves to hoist Fulani herdsmen settlements on other Nigerians, the latest being the RUGA plan.
Fora are badly needed for these issues to be aired and debated as is done here.
Its wise to prevent extreme attitudes but your stated stance looks like a flight from reality.
You might have blocked my post on the possibility of all out war in response to the war already declared on unwitting Nigerians by the right wing Fulani. The imminence of that all out war is already staring us in the face.
Safer to raise issues and debate them than claim that the house that is Nigeria is not already on fire by right wing ethnic supremacists.
SW, SE, Midwest, Southern Kaduna, the entire nation is crying out under the burden of Fulani herdsmen terrorism and you are declaring that "Evil and Good are equally distributed all over the country. All ethnicities have their evil leaders"?
Thanks
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at 17:10, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
Some postings on the Fulani that I rejected have bothered on hate speech.
Let us all exercise caution and to remember the following:
1. Evil and Good are equally distributed all over the country. All ethnicities have their evil leaders.
2. The victims are the poor
3. Hate speech can trigger genocide
Moderator
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