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We must read history as it is and not as we wish it to be. You cannot rewrite history. Oranmiyan was a grandson and not the son of Oduduwa. There was no king in Igodomidogo but Ogiso before the arrival of Oranmiyan. The name of the wife of Oranmiyan was Erinmwinde, the daughter of Enogie of Egor. With Erinmwinde, Oranmiyan fathered Eweka 1, who became Omo Oba ni ile ibinu in 1200 AD. There was no Edoland until the reign of Ewuare the great (1440-1473. As the Yoruba people say, IYÌLÉWÀ OSÙOLÁLÉ.

S.Kadiri

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OAA,

You are free to hold on to your myth of "the spread of the Yoruba kingship model to South-South Nigeria: the indefatigable expansionism of Yoruba princes from Edo land eastwards!". The Edos know their history that Omonoyan (a.k.a. Oromiyan) was the son of Ekaladeran (a.k.a. Oduduwa) who was a son of Ogiso Owodo, the last Ogiso of Benin and thus Oduduwa as an Edo Prince and not a Yoruba. The Edos know that there was no importation of a Yoruba Kingship model into Edo land. The Edos had a kingship institution of first Ogisos and then Oba (an authentic Edo word and title ) which they had developed over time.

Uyilawa

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Ladies and Gentlemen:

This has been a superbly exciting foray into the genealogy of the word Yoruba. It started out as a tacit admission that it was an exonym but due to to the evidence supplied by the exemplary interdisciplinary research of Egyptology and linguistic scholar professor Abdul Salau that is an endonym generated morphologically by a Yoruba lexeme no longer extant hence its attribution to foteign languages.

From Professor Salau we now know of the existence of the primal Yara clam in the Yoruba frontier state of Kogi whose Yoruba name is the etymological root of Yoruba from the dawn of Yoruba history in the earliest diasporic movement from Ile-Ife to Oyoro and further afield to Iyara from where Oyo ttaders wete correcttly referred to by Songhai traders in THEIR OWN name Yoruba. The testimonies of Chief Afefila and Olobaagun were remarkable in showcasing the individual trade links of Yoruba trade routes to North Africa even before Islam but given the forest nature of Ile-Ife it is doubtful whether the Arab traders came directly to Ile- Ife. Its more plausible to suggest the raison detre for the foundation of Oyoro was to enable the locus of a trans-Saharan trade easily accessible to Arab and Berber traders and this seem to be the most important reason Oyo eclipsed Ile- Ife in poltical importance. So Ife traders wishing to trade on the trans -Saharan routes would find it more pragmatic to go through the Yoruba controlled Oyo than through unknown and hostile territory

It is now clear that the early Yoruba embraced Yoruba as their group name not because they could not resist the imposition of a foreign act of nomination but ptecisely because they were convinced they were the referents of a name that was genuinely theirs in generation (I wish Farooq Kperogi had acknowledged the parts he lifted from Abdul Salau's essay so he is not guilty of the crime of plagiarism which he accused online writers of perpetrating on his own work.)

I also found fascinating the explanatory force off how only Onitsha of all Igbo townships had a king as well as " (And in addition is his established fact that by and large before the Fodio Jihad Hausa land and Yoruba land had enjoyed a largely cordial relationship so as I have always maintained we are ALL a happy family in Nigeria after all is said and done. I remember my father never referred the war that decimated our flourishing kingdom as ' Ogun Hausa' " Hausa War" but 'Ogun Fulani'. In other words its the Fulani leading the majority Hausa by the nose in the name of religion to decimate other communities.)

I join GE however in expressing my reservations on Abdul Salau's attempt to link the semanto- orthograpihc roots of Egyptian and Yoruba words and indeed other Nigerian languages and Ancient Egyptian.

The consonantisation of hieroglyphics and the consistency of ' great' worked in several parts but is not consistent enough when it comes to semantics.

eg,

Wr= Great》 Iwarefa ( Yoruba

Wr 》 Ewuare/Aworo

It began to creak when we get to

Wni 》 Ya (open)

Whi 》 Yi- danu ((overthrow)

Wr 》 Aworoko

Wr 》 Owelle ( Great)

We might follow this pattern and end up asserting the English word ' write' (Wr) also came from ancient Egyptian! Then all languages can be traced to ancient Egyptian ( which is not impossible. My point is why limit it to Nigerian languages alone?

Let me once again thank everyone who has contributed to this extremely important debate about the provenance of the word 'Yoruba' which has been an unparalleled intellectually enriching experience.

OAA

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I see similarities in the Egyptian and Yoruba salutation systems, binary models, and ethical teachings as reflected in IFA and ancient Egyptian admonitions, but this linguistic comparison is quite unconvincing.

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On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Abdul Salau <salauabdul@gmail.com> wrote:

Archeology of Yoruba Name

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