Wednesday, April 29, 2020

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Get Up! Stand Up!! Prophet MarleyinMunich, 1980

OA, 
You are engaged in crude stereotyping, unless you can present some  demographic figures demonstrating  marijuana - derived schizophrenia in a large percentage of the Jamaican population - beyond the twenty  persons that you met in your lifetime, so far.  

That medical marijuana is used to cure brain disorders , seizures etc has been scientifically proven.

 By the way I cringe whenever I hear the word "West Indies", another silly term inherited from European adventurers. The place is not West of India or the Indies. "Caribbean " makes more sense since it was in reality the land of the Caribs (and Arawaks). "Jamaica" is ok, descending linguistically from the indigenous term Xaymaca.

But lest Moses accused me of diversionary tactics, let me go back to the main issue of marijuana usage.

The use of marijuana for asthmatic relief is proven. The correlation between schizophrenia and marijuana is yet to be proven and even if it were to pass the test, we will have to talk about proportional usage, and so on, given the fact that excessive use of anything including water, can pose a problem. 

In real life I  do not drink or smoke
alcohol, tobacco, marijuana,  or similar substances ( and I go to neither the church or the mosque) but that does not give me the right to promote unproven stereotypes.

GE



GE




On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:55 PM, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:


GE:

What do you think caused   the prevalence of such schizophrenia among Blacks of West Indian and African American ( some of my African American students) origins in the first place?  The same is true of visitors to Fela' shrine with whom I shared dormitories in Nigeria,  which was why some educated parents warned against following his music.

2. I have a mature student who works in the care industry, originally from the West Indies who confirmed my fears and is in fact doing study on the trend at the moment.

3. I have seen white ladies who use the drugs who were balanced mentally  about a decade or two ago with recreational use,  but progressively got worse with addictive use.

OAA





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Date: 29/04/2020 16:03 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Get Up! Stand Up!! Prophet MarleyinMunich,   1980

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Well let me kill three birds with one stone, so to speak. First of all, to OA who has assumed rather  too confidently that marijuana causes schizophrenia.
But what if it is the other way around, namely, that some folks with schizophrenia use marijuana as a coping mechanism and a therapeutic device? 


Distinguishing the evangelical and secularist use of the term prophet is helpful. 

As for the disproportionate percentage of African American  deaths to Covid 19, mentioned by the poetic Ocello Ocelli, the following comes to mind, granted that it relates to a segment of the AA population, and not the whole:


1.  Lack of access to sound affordable medical care in normal times, and the dismantling of Obama's health care initiative.

2. Inherited dietary deficiencies  and practices - perpetuated by the fast food chains, low income, and decades of inattention to obesity generating foods.

3.  Excessive exposure to Covid-19 in nursing homes - and jobs as CNA  workers, hospital aides, 
delivery etc. - that are detrimental in the era  of Covid 19. High -paid medics and nurses are also at risk.

4. Crowded residential areas,  in densely populated  cities that preclude social distancing procedures.

5. A narcissistic President, slow to act in securing protective gear
for exposed individuals - believed to be outside loyalist voter -catchment zones.

6.  Blind faith, crowded churches -that initially defied social distancing measures. 

We  all  have to guard against the covert  eugenical use of Covid 19 by politicians - worldwide.

GE





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On Apr 28, 2020, at 4:38 PM, 'okello oculi' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:


BOB MARLEY would have asked the NEW AFRICAN DIASPORA TO DO RESEARCH ON CONDITIONS AT  THE ROOT OF THE HIGH  LEVELS OF DEATH FROM COVEID-19 BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS. THIS WOULD HELP TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE AFRICAN UNION TO SPEAK UP FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR SOCIO-ECONOMIC AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS. A SITUATION IN WHICH PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL ENCOURAGE HIS ''SUPPORT BASE'' AMONG WHITE RACISTS TO CELEBRATE AND /OR IGNORE THE CARNAGE AMONG AFRICAN-AMERICANS BUT MAKE SYMBOLIC GESTURES OF FRIENDSHIP WITH AFRICAN COUNTRIES MUST NOT BENEFIT FROM YOUR SILENCE.

On Monday, April 20, 2020, 03:36:09 PM GMT+1, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:


I used "Prophet" for Marley in a secularist term, to mean a person whose words can be immortal or can come to pass. I can say that Steve Biko was a prophet but not in an evangelical term.

The use of English allows us to do this.

TF

 

 

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From: dialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of agbetuyi <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: dialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Get Up! Stand Up!! Prophet Marley inMunich, 1980

 

GE.

 

Marley favoured Rastafarianism with the dreadlocks as the outward symbolic manifestations of that religion. 

 

In fact he popularised that religion and hairstyle across the globe.  That religion is associated with viewing marijuana smoking as medicinal on account of which many Jamaican young men had grown schizophrenic over the decades. 

 

Rastafarians located their utimate spiritual leader in the late Emperor Haile Selasie of Ethiopia, the Lion of Judah, who reigned while Marley was alive and was descendant of biblical Queen of Sheba  ( whose country's undefeated resistance to colonialism represented the hope for African resurgence from colonialism and emancipation from bondage of South Africa,  Zimbabwe and Angola.  He championed the freedom of these countries  in his lyrics. This led to the fantastic albums 'Uprising' and 'Survival' The track 'MPLA' was dedicated to one of the freedom fighter parties in Angola.

 

In his masterpiece 'Rat Race'

 

He countered the notion that he was an undercover CIA agent by singing

 

   'Rasta do'nt work for no CIA'

 

He also titled one album

'Rastaman Vibration' with a title track of that name.

 

Marley perfectly walked the tight rope between secularism and religion.

 

OAA

 

 

 

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Date: 19/04/2020 20:16 (GMT+00:00)

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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Get Up! Stand Up!! Prophet Marley inMunich,  1980

 

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Marley wasn't a preacher man and was not pushing any particular religion. He was secular for the most part and a revolutionary to a large extent. That was the reason for his appeal. I recall how surprised I was to hear his music blasting in a Moroccan bazaar, in the 1980s.

 

By the way, it would be interesting to know if he had some impact  on China with a population of about a billion atheists and agnostics,  if some estimates are correct. Deng Xiaoping's reforms were in the 1970s  during Marley's  musical

ascendancy but  controls were still in place so my guess is that the impact was minimal.

 

Keeping this discussion list secular is really  important for maintaining 

scholarly interaction.

 

We have confidence in the moderator.  

GE

 

 

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On Apr 19, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

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