Dear All,
I am pulling together an Edited Collection called Media, Culture and Conflict in Africa and I would like to invite you to consider submitting one or more chapters
The abstract/call for the Collection is here:
Media, Culture and Conflict in Africa seeks to put in one compendium variegated views and arguments that possibly will contribute to global conversations on how cultural practices, media practices, and emerging technologies can be redirected at remediating the parlous state of affairs in political, social, and economic spaces in Africa.
Editor:
Osakue Stevenson Omoera, Ph.D., is a world expert in Mass Media, Theatre and Communication Studies. He teaches and conducts research in Sociology of the Media, Nollywood Studies and African Cultural Dynamics at Ambrose Alli University, Ekpoma, Nigeria. He is also a Professor on adjunct at the Federal University, Otuoke, Nigeria.
A Chapter should normally be no longer than 6000 words, and should be original and previously unpublished. If the work has already been published (as a journal article, or in conference proceedings, for example), the Publisher will require evidence that permission to be re-published has been granted.
To see the Call on the Publisher's website, please click here: https://www.cambridgescholars.com/edited_collections/media-culture-conflict-chapter-submission.docx, where you can download and complete a submission form.
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Rebecca Gladders
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On Fri, May 1, 2020, 1:52 PM <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com>: May 01 01:49PM +0100
* Proposed Paid Seminars on the
Creative Style and Work of Toyin Falola*
*
Addressing People's Concerns *
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
Compcros <https://danteadinkra.wixsite.com/compcros>
Comparative Cognitive Processes and Systems
Exploring
Every Corner of the Cosmos in Search of Knowledge
I recently announced on this and other groups my intention to run paid
seminars on the creative style and scholarly and literary work of the
trans-disciplinary scholar and writer Toyin Falola.
These seminars are titled-
"Becoming a Genius by Adopting the Adepoju/Falola Paradigm of Human
Development"
"Shapes of Discourse : Exploring the Transdisciplinary Dynamics of the
Falola Universe"
"Becoming a Genius by Adopting the Adepoju/Falola Paradigm of Human
Development" is directed at presenting and working through my understanding
of Toyin Falola's style of creativity.
I would like to address the issues people have with my proposals,
particularly since
some of these issues relate to the ethics of the project.
I am still composing responses to some questions and challenges I earlier
received but it seems I need to move faster in terms of broader
clarification of the issues at stake.
Responding to some challenges I have received, one observes that purporting
to guide people on how to become geniuses does not imply one is describing
oneself a genius, like Falola is a genius.
The various books on genius are often not written by people who
describe themselves as geniuses.
I am working with the understanding of the concept of genius as a horizon
of achievement people may aspire to, rather than a fixed designation to
which you either belong or dont belong.
This project also does not necessarily suggest that I am piggybacking on
Falola's name to market a product.
I have explained that Falola knows nothing about the project, on account
of the need to keep the project independent of the figure who inspired it.
Would people be more comfortable if I were not to use Falola's name in the
name I have given the paradigm I have developed from studying his creative
methods in relation to those of others?
Would they be more comfortable with *The Adepoju Paradigm of Human
Development*, with an explanatory text that the creative configuration and
trajectory of Falola's work has inspired this idea, even though Falola has
no direct link with it?
I also understand people are concerned with my intention to charge money
for the seminars.
Can that worry be obviated by my always making it clear that Falola has no
connection with these seminars?
Great thanks
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com>: May 01 12:47PM
Jamaine:
Thank you very much for your informed intervention.
I know for a fact that Jamaicans and Rastafarians do not ALL glorify and use marijuana. Not even in the diaspora. I also know that most of the Caribbean diasporans in the UK and most African Americans who are disproportionately represented in US jails due to violent crime have drug problems and many with schizophrenia have drugs at the roots of their ailments.
I will return to my Jamaican informant who has been trying to get in touch for the past hour to schedule a teaching appointment after sending this post.
No she has no problems of internalized oppression. You must know how hard it would be to oppress a Jamaican woman to put it rather mildly. She is highly responsible. She has excellent research skills. But we really are talking of common undeniable knowledge here.
OAA
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It is normally useless to wade into someone's stereotyping of any people and expect that they will see the error of their ways, so I won't try.
Just to note that I work regularly in Jamaica and if I use your same "method" of observation over time, I reach completely different conclusions. As an ethnographic researcher, I am well practiced in identifying and separating my biases from actual observed activity on the ground (a plug for Grounded Theory). Over the past decade of my research in Jamaica, I would observe that it is more the norm for Jamaicans to either not smoke marijuana on the scale that you imply or to not smoke it at all. While I do see the occasional Rasta men gathered under the shade of trees in the afternoon for a smoke; they don't spend their whole day in it. In fact Rasta practitioners, who I interviewed to trace African traditional medicine practices, informed me that it is their use of medicinal herbs for ailments and good health (roots) and strict vegetarian food practices that make up the foundation of their lifestyle. Many of my colleagues in Jamaica, Rasta or not, have maintained these same traditional medicinal practices from generation to generation. Perhaps the researcher you know has not learned how to conduct proper research or perhaps is a victim of her own internalized oppression and cannot see beyond it. Anyone with sense, would likely agree that the overuse of any drug leads to problems; so perhaps, in fairness, she is only looking at extreme cases and not the norm.
These are just observations; but what I hear you describe is what most Jamaicans I interview and live and work with, attribute to tourist behaviors. Your "Marley in Munich" that conjures up images of fans and Jamaican tourists, alike, often copy the iconic, commercialized parts of Marley that are attributed to Jamaican culture, like smoking and dreadlocks, but have no idea that many Jamaican traditions are health conscience and Afrocentric in their practice and maintenance.
One Love,
Jamaine
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GE:
Proportional usage yes but also suitability.
There is nothing I did not experiment with my youth groups but hard drug. I KNOW if I crossed that line it would be a journey of no return yet I had a close Youth Corper friend from Rivers State who regularly used marijuana with no visible effects and closely interrogated him on it.
It suited his system very well. Fine! Others just one use and they would never be normal again.
Trust me GE I am not stereotyping. The Caribbean lady doing the study is not stereotyping. She grew up over there and came to the UK within the last decade went back for her daughters college graduation in Jamaica last October. I dont have figures because I have not done a formal study but believe me my experience is far more than twenty people and spans three continents over four decades. It is fairly accurate.
Yes there is medical use for marijuana. But as we all know there is a host of drugs used that have damaging side effects and these effects vary from person to person.
OAA
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OA,
You are engaged in crude stereotyping, unless you can present some demographic figures demonstrating marijuana - derived schizophrenia in a large percentage of the Jamaican population - beyond the twenty persons that you met in your lifetime, so far.
That medical marijuana is used to cure brain disorders , seizures etc has been scientifically proven.
By the way I cringe whenever I hear the word "West Indies", another silly term inherited from European adventurers. The place is not West of India or the Indies. "Caribbean " makes more sense since it was in reality the land of the Caribs (and Arawaks). "Jamaica" is ok, descending linguistically from the indigenous term Xaymaca.
But lest Moses accused me of diversionary tactics, let me go back to the main issue of marijuana usage.
The use of marijuana for asthmatic relief is proven. The correlation between schizophrenia and marijuana is yet to be proven and even if it were to pass the test, we will have to talk about proportional usage, and so on, given the fact that excessive use of anything including water, can pose a problem.
In real life I do not drink or smoke
alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or similar substances ( and I go to neither the church or the mosque) but that does not give me the right to promote unproven stereotypes.
GE
GE
On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:55 PM, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com<mailto:yagbetuyi@hotmail.com>> wrote:
GE:
What do you think caused the prevalence of such schizophrenia among Blacks of West Indian and African American ( some of my African American students) origins in the first place? The same is true of visitors to Fela' shrine with whom I shared dormitories in Nigeria, which was why some educated parents warned against following his music.
2. I have a mature student who works in the care industry, originally from the West Indies who confirmed my fears and is in fact doing study on the trend at the moment.
3. I have seen white ladies who use the drugs who were balanced mentally about a decade or two ago with recreational use, but progressively got worse with addictive use.
OAA
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Well let me kill three birds with one stone, so to speak. First of all, to OA who has assumed rather too confidently that marijuana causes schizophrenia.
But what if it is the other way around, namely, that some folks with schizophrenia use marijuana as a coping mechanism and a therapeutic device?
Distinguishing the evangelical and secularist use of the term prophet is helpful.
As for the disproportionate percentage of African American deaths to Covid 19, mentioned by the poetic Ocello Ocelli, the following comes to mind, granted that it relates to a segment of the AA population, and not the whole:
1. Lack of access to sound affordable medical care in normal times, and the dismantling of Obama's health care initiative.
2. Inherited dietary deficiencies and practices - perpetuated by the fast food chains, low income, and decades of inattention to obesity generating foods.
3. Excessive exposure to Covid-19 in nursing homes - and jobs as CNA workers, hospital aides,
delivery etc. - that are detrimental in the era of Covid 19. High -paid medics and nurses are also at risk.
4. Crowded residential areas, in densely populated cities that preclude social distancing procedures.
5. A narcissistic President, slow to act in securing protective gear
for exposed individuals - believed to be outside loyalist voter -catchment zones.
6. Blind faith, crowded churches -that initially defied social distancing measures.
We all have to guard against the covert eugenical use of Covid 19 by politicians - worldwide.
GE
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On Apr 28, 2020, at 4:38 PM, 'okello oculi' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
BOB MARLEY would have asked the NEW AFRICAN DIASPORA TO DO RESEARCH ON CONDITIONS AT THE ROOT OF THE HIGH LEVELS OF DEATH FROM COVEID-19 BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS. THIS WOULD HELP TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE AFRICAN UNION TO SPEAK UP FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR SOCIO-ECONOMIC AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS. A SITUATION IN WHICH PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL ENCOURAGE HIS ''SUPPORT BASE'' AMONG WHITE RACISTS TO CELEBRATE AND /OR IGNORE THE CARNAGE AMONG AFRICAN-AMERICANS BUT MAKE SYMBOLIC GESTURES OF FRIENDSHIP WITH AFRICAN COUNTRIES MUST NOT BENEFIT FROM YOUR SILENCE.
On Monday, April 20, 2020, 03:36:09 PM GMT+1, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu<mailto:toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>> wrote:
I used "Prophet" for Marley in a secularist term, to mean a person whose words can be immortal or can come to pass. I can say that Steve Biko was a prophet but not in an evangelical term.
The use of English allows us to do this.
TF
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GE.
Marley favoured Rastafarianism with the dreadlocks as the outward symbolic manifestations of that religion.
In fact he popularised that religion and hairstyle across the globe. That religion is associated with viewing marijuana smoking as medicinal on account of which many Jamaican young men had grown schizophrenic over the decades.
Rastafarians located their utimate spiritual leader in the late Emperor Haile Selasie of Ethiopia, the Lion of Judah, who reigned while Marley was alive and was descendant of biblical Queen of Sheba ( whose country's undefeated resistance to colonialism represented the hope for African resurgence from colonialism and emancipation from bondage of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Angola. He championed the freedom of these countries in his lyrics. This led to the fantastic albums 'Uprising' and 'Survival' The track 'MPLA' was dedicated to one of the freedom fighter parties in Angola.
In his masterpiece 'Rat Race'
He countered the notion that he was an undercover CIA agent by singing
'Rasta do'nt work for no CIA'
He also titled one album
'Rastaman Vibration' with a title track of that name.
Marley perfectly walked the tight rope between secularism and religion.
OAA
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Marley wasn't a preacher man and was not pushing any particular religion. He was secular for the most part and a revolutionary to a large extent. That was the reason for his appeal. I recall how surprised I was to hear his music blasting in a Moroccan bazaar, in the 1980s. <https://www.boxbe.com/overview>
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By the way, it would be interesting to know if he had some impact on China with a
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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com>: May 01 12:17PM
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Kennedy Emetulu has shared with us why it will be hard for Nigeria to be dissolved peacefully ( except in a gory deluge of war: majority of the overwise over optimistic natioalists refused to heed Awolowo's call for a secessionist clause ( which the UK wisely fought to the end to be included in the EU charter if any of the constituent parts feels enough is enough --hence their ability to withdraw.) There is no such thing as indissoluble marriage in private human affairs how much more in corporate affairs.
Wise leaders like Awolowo being a trained economist (and British leaders)recognise the most important equivalent law for human association and relations to that of the laws of physics and the natural sciences is the ceteris paribus law (you can call Awolowo and British leaders pessimists like Agbetuyi)
The thing about ceteris paribus is that things are seldom guaranteed to be as projected along the way. Only six months ago who would have predicted the devastation wrought by COVID-19 on humanity and the global economy! Has everything been equal according to the vision of the global economic planners two years ago.? And the end is not yet in sight.
In the Nigerian case some of the nationalist leaders thought initially that based on the composition of their own people they would always gain the upper hand, will always be able to dominate their others so there would never be a need to go it alone. Things were not ' all things being equal' (ceteris) as envisaged. Political meiosis kept being vitiated by political mitosis ever since
Human associations are always work in progress. People may decide the amount of work to be put in is not justified with regards to the desired end at ANY TIME in the project.
People see farther than each other. Those who cant see as far as others do label others as pessimists because they cannot see fully the variegated complexities that make others decide it may not be worth all the efforts and pain. In short they may see life only through rose tinted glasses
If you are asked to expend 10pence to gain 12 pence( including initial outlay) and another person asks you to spend 4 pence to gain 9 pence overall a sagacious person knows what option to pick.
The reason America would not break has been put to test on the battlefied: Its nothing to do with what the average American derives from a large market. Its what the minority controllers of the economy derive from a large market.
It is far easier to put a corporate association of people into a polity. It is far more difficult to pull it apart again due to vested interests which may be gaining at the expense of the majority, unless terms of dissolution are incorporated at the outset.
This in the end is the wisdom of Awolowo and the British leaders.
The first business to attend to before unifying diverse polities like Africa is to establish the terms of dissolution in case it turns into an unbearable nightmare.
It takes a pessimist to be a realist ( this was one of the tags Wole Soyinka got in the early part of his career, in particular from Marxist critics)
It takes a realist to live in the real world. It is better to live in the real world than a fictional world.
OAA
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Date: 30/04/2020 20:18 (GMT+00:00)
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OAA,
You are a pessimist in matters of pan-African unification because you say you don't believe that size matters in development as some countries like Israel, Switzerland and others have shown.
Sir,remember that these countries benefited from slavery and colonialism and are profiting from the present global order. To at least catch up (not even to be ahead), Africa/Africans has/have to run where others walk and this requires garnering strength or pulling together.
Agbetuyi, if you don't believe that size avails much, why not support the separatist charlatan Kanu to urge your and Cornelius's Bro Buhari to dissolve 'giant' Nigeria? Will it not be safer for a family to unite against an external threat than confront the danger disunited?
In theory, it's possible for the United States to disintegrate but it will be difficult to do so because most of its citizens know the great advantage of being together. Even China etc.
JE.
On Monday, April 27, 2020, 07:01:22 PM GMT+1, Julius Eto <juliuseto@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Ken Harrow,
Biko's submission suffices for me sir.
On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 05:20:25 PM GMT+1, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
well, if you are including european states as "colonies" for hitler, that changes things. i was taking colonies in the usual sense.
hitler wanted to rule a lot, maybe the world. and he wanted lebensraum, starting with czechoslovakia and then all the rest of east europe.
k
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
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Empires by their every nature are multinational .'despotism" according to Montesquieu
I insist both first and second world wars were caused by resources control in the colonies more so in second world war in which Hitler stated so in Mein Kampf. He said his own colonies were in Europe and that was why he was invading and annexing weaker
neighbours.
The little colonies Germany had in Africa were taken by the victors of the first world war..
OAA
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hi olayinka
you have a lot in here; not all of which i agree with. also, in response to gloria, you are equating all states w nations. there have been large states for a long time. nations in africa came almost entirely with the end of colonialism.
the fall of the ussr. it used up enormous resources in the cold war, which, w afghanistan, broke their lousy economy, and the pressures to open it, as in china, became too great. envy of the west for goods? maybe a part of it.
what troubles me is the conflating of large eu states with wealthy, and they are not.spain is big; only recently ceased being poor; the netherlands is small, like switzerland, and even denmark and belgium are small, but not poor, like the larger east european
states.
the argument that wealthy germany didn't want to bail out spendthrift greece, and to a lesser degree italy and spain was only one side to the argument, right? others saw germany and france constructing the eu to their benefit, which was why sweden and switzerland
didn't join.
competition to control colonial states was definitely not the cause of wwII. maybe it was in part WWI, but only a part, a small part. we can debate that.
gloria missed my point entirely; i know of the empires of the past; they were not nations. nations begin mostly in the 19th century, only. before that we had empires and kingdoms etc., not nation states. think italy and germany as late-comers.
but the question was, is africa ready to let go of its nation- state formations in favor of larger entities. nasser tried it; qaddafi tried it; even senghor tried. but the holders of national resources wouldn't let go. the CAR was another example. it was not
the integrity of ethnic identity either; it was the national resources, developed during colonialism, that the new states wouldn't let go.
not even the papa of pan-africanism, nkrumah.
perhaps the older imperial systems had a positive side. not the colonialism of france or england, etc., but the ottoman empire, or the austro-hungarian.
or perhaps songhai, mali, etc, were also better examples of states than nation states?
i don't know, just asking
ken
kenneth harrow
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michigan state university
517 803-8839
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Well, why did the borders come up post independence?
Because member nations realised the ad hoc fraternity in the fight against colonialism was just that. There were time honoured economic and cultural differences.
The phenomenon of larger european states gobbling up the weaker states is the logic of capitalism writ large. We are familiar with that on company basis. People expect economically stronger states to rescue weaker ones for nothing because european wealth
is joint patrimony. Its not that straight forward in reality.
Stronger states worked harder to establish strong economies. Why should they throw their hard earned wealth at the feet of those who decided to take things easy. That will result in what is called in pidgin ' monkey dey work, baboon dey chop'. It does
not encourage productivity because those who work hard for others to reap the benefits wont see the point in doing so. So overall productivity falls in the long run and that was in part why the USSR failed. The people saw the showy products of western competitive
edge against the non alluring equivalents of their own productivity and wanted western products at all costs not mindful of how they were produced.
You stated that the nation state was the basis of two world wars but European empires had been fighting each other long before the 20th century. Industrialisation and competition to control third world resources through the construction of colonial
empires were the basis of the two world wars. The Delian League, Alexander the Greats escapeds, Napoleon etc etc happened before the two world wars.
The attempts by Africans to construct large political units which you referred to as having failed were mere recent chapters in a pattern that began in antiquity: Shaka, Oyo Empire, Hausa States, Borgu, Songhai, Mali etc, etc.
Each attempt had distinctive characters and features that differentiated them, pitched one against the other if they were contemporaneous and led to rise and fall of large states. There was at no time a monolithic culture encompassing all of Africa on
which Biko's dream could be erected.
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come on olayinka, europe's failure have nothing to do with africa's. anyway, remember all those attempts to forge regional states after independence? you all guys include historians. there was an attempt at central africa; french west africa w mali and senegal,
libya and tunisia and egypt with i forget who.
these all failed. i don't know why. the only contemporary model might be the ussr. it had some good, but mostly repressive sides. china is an amalgamation of states, now a very tight authoritarian state. tanganyika did manage to swallow zanzibar; ethiopia failed
to swallow eritrea. s africa effectively swallowed everything within reach, from swaziland to its "bantustans."
i resist only one thing: not size, but the model of the nation state, which was the basis for 2 world wars, and enormous repressiveness of little states by the big. the eu had great ideals, but bad economic disparities so germany could impose on greece and
spain, and germany and france could impose its economic advantages on the new members.
we need egalitarianism in the world, not larger nations. that's all that matters, giving equal power to everyone--economic and political power. and that will come when the borders go down.
i agree with one panafrican ideal that we are all one nation, i.e., all with equal access to each other state's economic opportunities. that comes when borders disappear. on independence we had that in africa, remember? no passports needed to cross african
borders.
ken
kenneth harrow
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dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
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Ken.
It is that ideal which EU once posed but could not actualise that Biko wants if I read him right.
If Europe which was once ruled by ancient Rome and Holy Roman Empire before the emergence of nation states could no longer sustain the ideal how would Africa without such previous extensive supranational formation manage it?
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biko, you are arguing not simply for a unified africa, but an africa under a progressive, leftish govt.
what if it's under a thoroughly neoliberal govt? an authoritarian govt, like china, say?
and what if the 55 states still exist as states within a country, like the eu, each with its own regional interests, its own corruption? what of nigeria, vs togo. someone tell me why nigeria, which is the largest african state, doesn't represent the ideal because
of its size? any outsider reading this list would find words like fulani yoruba igbo offered over and again as evil or corrupt or whatever, with the implication that the north should go off on its own.
actually i don't really see size as a benefit for the citizens, based on the comparison, say, between the ussr and what is now the exploded state around it.
for a while the eu was a model, but not really, since germany messed up the economies of the south so badly.
i mostly fault nation states for the sad
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