Thursday, May 27, 2021

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Israel and Palestine: Peace for allor peace for none

"Judeomuslim like Cornelius"

Of course Cornelius Adebayo, and not the uncircumcised Cornelius the Roman Centurion.

I really like that. If only there were more monotheistic Judeo-Muslims and fewer Trinitarian Judeo-Christians (Extreme Fun-da-mentalist American Evangelical Right-Wing Nutters who want to rebuild the Temple in order to hasten the return of their Redeemer) by now there would have been peace and tranquillity in the Middle East.

Whilst Western Civilisation boasts about moral foundations in Judaeo-Christian traditions, paradoxically, there are some little tensions between the Jesus people and the Jews, going back to the problems between Paul and Peter, James and the other Brethren of the Jesus Cult in Jerusalem – recorded in Galatians and other letters of Paul where he blasts the so called "judaizers"

Similarly, according to Bernard Lewis' " The Jews of Islam" in the early days of Islam when a few Jews submitted to Islam , for example Kaʽb al-Aḥbār is especially accused by the Shia of being one of the early judaizers of Islam . There's the telling episode of Umar and his right hand man Ka'b, in Jerusalem in 636 ( a story that could cause the authors of Article 11 of the Hamas Charter some distress ( from page 71 of "The Jews of Islam")

"When Umar came to Aelia (Jerusalem)...he said, "Bring me Ka'b "

Ka'b was brought to him, and Umar asked him, "Where do you think we should put the place of prayer?"

"By the rock", answered Ka'b

"By God, Ka'b, "said Umar," You are (still) following after Judaism. I saw you take off your sandals!"

"I wanted to feel the touch of it with my bare feet", said Ka'b

" I saw you," said Umar. " But no… we were not commanded concerning the Rock, but we were commanded concerning the Ka'ba ( in Mecca)

BTW, it's funny that you should apologise for merely "resurrecting the dead" (thread).





On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 16:34, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

E. H.Carr made an interesting statement in 
"What is History " that scholars  should still find 
valuable:

"In the first place, the facts of history never come
to us "pure" since they do not and cannot exist in
a pure form: they are always refracted through
 the mind of the recorder. It follows that when 
we take up a work of history, our first concern 
should be not with the facts which it contains
but with the historian." 

Who is writing this piece? What ideological 
stand point? What  gender and racial background?
Is he/ she an undercover white supremacist
or a diehard chauvinist?
How did he or she arrive at the current
conclusion? Fieldwork?
Does he/she understand  or speak the source
 language, or is the author relying on translations-
and , if so, is the translator trustworthy, - or is 
he likely to switch words to suit his agenda?
Is the author a Judeomuslim like Cornelius 
the Great , or an irredeemable, unapologetic  
sceptic  like  Gloria Emeagwali of Omega XL
fame?

Carr makes this insightful statement as well:

"No document can tell us more than what the
author of the document thought- what he 
thought had happened, what he thought 
ought to happen or would happen, or perhaps 
only what he wanted others to think he thought, 
or even only what he himself thought he thought."

Now fast forward to the era of crowd sourcing
 of history and tell me, my dear friends 
and colleagues, how you can proceed in 
engaging these issues with anonymous,
 volatile entries?

Do you know who "Trappist the Monk" is
and  his agenda - important to reflect on
since he has made more than a thousand edits.
And if 90 percent of the edits have been done by 
white males, some  just out of high school,
I wonder if this "wonderful "work is really as
credible as we would like it to be, beyond 
its wonderful  illustrations and bibliographies.

I just checked the entry for Axum and was told
that the empire was brought down by
Queen Judit.  That was at 9.45 am today.
Really? So the Zagwe dynasty
suddenly morphed into this wicked witch
who emerged in the 10th century. What about 
new trade routes and divergence of commercial
networks and the numerous factors usually
associated with the fall of Axum?These are
 written out of the account, of course. 
I also sampled some other topics, many of 
which have multiple links and glittering
cross references that may even divert 
attention from the accuracy of the original 
statement.

"Go and make your own edit, "says Adepoju.
( Fake statement. He didn't really say so.)

But what is the point of me making a new edit 
at noon when someone could change it at 
midnight? 

Be careful what you defend  and how you
defend it- especially if you are a  scholar.
My apologies for going back to this 
subject and resurrecting the dead thread.
I do recognize as well that my comments are
biased towards History.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali 
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU


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The best place to begin: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218895668171780&set=gm.672352036907014

and better than despair, here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/stoicismconvo

Thanks Professor Falola the Elder (since there's also the Professor Falola the daughter). I pray that the racists and tribalists don't take your advice to heart, wrench you out of the context of this discussion and misinterpret what you mean by " Intelligent scholars are trained to discriminate. Even in talking to people, we discriminate. I don't use what others tell me about another human being to relate to them. I can be inheriting another person's hostility, envy, hate, etc. That you have a bad friend does not mean that the person you call a bad person is bad to me. And in any case, you may call a person a bad person because of what he has done to you, which he has not done to me. Or I can have a Yoruba epistemological position that says:

Oro la danu

Ki i se eniyan

Translation: throw away a persons' words that you disagree with, not the person him/herself. This does not apply to Garba in Aso Rock as I want to throw his words and person away!"

Thanks Kenneth Harrow (another director of the big knowledge banks – he invokes Foucault - I dream Rimbaud!) Thanks Gloria in excelsis Emeagwali , the Alpha & O=mega and the theory of everything that ends where the wiki begins. Thanks Toyin Vincent Adepoju (indeed "another master of the essay, Abiola Irele.", for the persistence of word sense over matter also F. R. Leavis, and, whilst we are at it, to remember, a library is not a university, although libraries are whole universes), thanks Kperogi, thanks everybody, thanks for all the dogmatics, the pseudo science and intro philosophy , but please take note that I do not say thanks to the cherub Assange for his not so witty, weaky leaks ( imagine a doggy raising his hind leg every five minutes or so to take a leak – a pee, leaning against a tree, one, two, three…)

Re - "Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates..."

A. T. von S. Bradshaw our English Master in the 4th form started his each and every lesson with a Chinese proverb to wit, that "The House of Learning is One!" - we did " Animal Farm" with him and you can bet that in no time at all we all became authorities on the Bolsheviks, right up to Chiang Kai-shek – this was circa 1962 and there was no internet then but there was an excellent school library and after school circa 2 pm, there was the British Council Library just behind my grandfather Louis Hamelberg's house at Tower Hill, and that where I spent most of my days, including holy days and holidays. These days, a curious lad would just have to flip open is cellphone and go straight to the Wiki - which does not mean to say that we should agree with Kperogi's gripe – surely an imagined grudge, no matter how deeply felt, that his beloved wiki "puts knowledge at the fingertips of the "uninitiated" that the "initiated" took years to acquire in the traditional fashion.".

Not in a hundred thousand years for the simple fact of the matter that neither he nor Wiki in present, past and future digital incarnations/ generations could possibly produce e.g. Under Western Eyes – India – from Milton to Macaulay" by Balachandra Rajan or that kind of readership.

It still a matter of two Jews, three opinions vs "I'm right, you're dead - do you know better than me? I'm a doctor!"

Even when capturing or internalising the sense, TVA (Adepoju) could remain mindful that Rilke wrote in German, Eliot's "Murder in the Cathedral "is in English, John the Galilean fisherman's Gospel is in polished Greek, the immaculate Quran is in the most marvellous gold standard Arabic, therefore so easy to memorise...

In my opinion, God has many mansions, one of which I suppose is wiki, one of many sources of information about the real and the not so real

It's the exclusiveness of "Wikipedia actually has some of the best general information in the world on a lot of subject matters" like a sentence from a school-man of the 21st century digital age when the twenty something volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannic has been condensed to the size of a matchbox - save so much storage space...



On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 11:13, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if it's honest to learn from Wikipedia and not use it as a reference.

How are academic books necessarily better than an encyclopedia and Wikipedia specifically?

To what degree is knowledge not interest, bias or perspectively driven?

As always, the key is an analytical approach to all knowledge, from everywhere.

Toyin

On Mon, May 24, 2021, 21:59 Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
i've seen some weak moments in wikipedia, but on the whole it is absolutely astonishing. unbelievable. want to know something, google it and wiki pops up.
gloria's warnings are needed; if i were vetting a student's claim, wiki would be either weak or unacceptable. but it has become a relatively reliable source of knowledge on EVERYTHING, which amazes me.
that last little article i posted--about which i know almost nothing--had something like 500 references or footnotes. you can follow that line through, if you are interested and knowledgeable, to get a sense on how well substantiated the claims are. students can track those sources, and then use them. that makes the claims more credible.

i was told there are certain entries that "interested parties," like religious nuts, try to dominate. we need some caution after all. but we can also compare what they say, and try to be discriminating.
as i said, i've worked on science issues for a couple of years now. want to know what a wave function is? wiki it, it is there. and it is very very solid.
you can't publish with wiki as a reference; you can use it, however, to learn and as a lead in to real source material.
ken

kenneth harrow

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michigan state university

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We need a. more creative approach to Wikipedia.

It is the richest source of organised knowledge on Earth and perhaps in history.

If there is any other such knowledge source I would like  to know of it.

Thanks

Toyin

Toyin

On Mon, May 24, 2021, 17:29 Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:
Who is the author of the Wikipedia article? The content changes per minute. What makes the entry wonderful?

I always appreciate the illustrations and in some cases the Bibliography but many of the articles are self serving, group coordinated and often
suspect.

The first statement I utter to my students  in my first week  of Class is:

 "Hello Students. Welcome.
I do not accept Wikipedia as a reference."


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Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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this wondwerful wikipedia entry gives a different picture, OAA, concerning polytheism and monotheism. the latter came latter, probably around when it was being accepted elsewhere in the middle east.
even in the jewish bible the idea of other gods existing is reiterated over and over in warnings not to worship them; not to mention that god has many different names, indicated an earlier period of many gods who were ultimately joined into one.

rushdie later plays on this notion of earlier worship of multiple goddess alongside allah (i'm switching subject here slightly), with the claim that the verses indicating this initially by muhammed were later revised and excised, whence the title "Satanic Verses."

it is interesting to me to ask when the greeks became, more or less monotheistic, which was around that same period 7-6th centuries b.c.e.



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michigan state university

517 803-8839

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Ben- Sasson is right.  The philistines were the civilization that preceded the settlements of the Israelites in Canaan and there are artifacts celebrating the glories of the civilization of the philistines.

The Israelites came to Canaan when the philistines civilization was on the decline ( just as the Greeks and Romans did in Egypt) and what was celebrated in the story of David and Goliath was the usual israelite teleological parodic narrative through which the Canaanites were dispossed by yet another conqueror nation replacing an erstwhile conquering nation ( the philistines).  The phased annexation by Israel was capped in the allegory of the defeat of prophets of Baal by the prophets of Yahweh signifying the displacement of the originary polytheistic ethos in Canaan by monotheism not through persuasion but by force of arms, a parallel and continuum  which Christopher Okigbo drew in his narrative of the forcible dispossession of the worship of Idoto in Eastern Nigeria by British colonialists (and replacement with Christianity) in Labyrinths.

Historians are however  emphatic in stating that the philistines are NOT  the same as today's palestinians.  Today's palestinians they maintain emerged from series of migrations into the area over time, centuries after the philistines with a large contingent from Syria.


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My answer to this great question is that we 
have to go back to antiquity to find out
 who exactly were the ancestors of  today's
 Palestinians.Did these ancestors have a state- 
in the form of a city state, a kingdom or an 
empire? Where exactly was it located?

The battle over  settlement in the area is hotly
contested, however.

archaeologists-both-lay-claim-to-heritage.

Ben-Sasson, in, A History of the Jewish People,
contends that the relationship between
the Philistines and the Israelites was tangled in
antiquity and that both groups were migrants 
into Canaan. Gaza, Ashkelon and Ashdod were 
among the Philistine towns. By the mid eleventh
century, BC, the Philistines had
a confederacy of five city states, he argues
 (BenSasson, 87).




Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
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Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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I meant to say "Has there ever been a Palestinian State in the history of what is now referred to as the Middle East?" 

Apologies for the error.


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On May 23, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:


I just spotted some grammatical errors 
in my previous post. Sorry about that.

Well here is a piece that tackles 
some of the issues raised. 
Raoul Peck's,  "Exterminate All the Brutes "
is of special relevance.

pm-section/78-78/69429-bidens-special-
challenge-the-deadly-white-supremacy-doctriine


Gloria  Emeagwali 




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not surprising. i think it makes my point....

kenneth harrow

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michigan state university

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For the record,  this guy was 100 percent
 Xhosa and had no cultural affiliation with
the  Khoisan  descendants (so-called Colored).

I asked him why he preferred the 
Boers. He looked me in the eye and 
said, with total conviction, that the Afrikaners
 are racist but you know exactly where 
you stand with them.



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2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
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gloria, i was talking about afrikaners, the slave owners and original conquerors, in the past. the british abolitionist movement was real. but i imagine your interlocutor was culturally more at home with afrikaners, who were probably less arrogant than the brits by the time you interviewed them. the "coloured" population spoke afrikaans.
i am not interested in defending the british colonialists; but i would have to be convinced that they were worse than the afrikaners. in 1948 the afrikaners came to power with their Nationalist party. They were pro-Nazi, and it was they who put in place the legal mechanisms of Apartheid; they who ruled while the ANC revolted against them.
how they stand in the present vis a vis racism, anglos vs afrikaners, i don't know.
ken

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The Brits did not abolish slavery just like that.
After the Haitian revolution and a series of 
other revolts throughout the region the Brits 
realized that the power of resistance was 
formidable and that multiple  Haitis  would 
emerge in the future. Add to that fear factor the technological breakthrough in efficient machinery. 

Who wiped out most of the Indigenous
 people in  Australia, NewZealand, the 
Americas etc

Do we know how many millions the British 
killed in their Wars of invasion and occupation
with the Gatling gun , the dumdum bullets and
Infected small pox blankets?

7 million?  8 million?

In one of my interviews in South Africa in 2002,
I asked the interviewee a straight question.

Between the Afrikaners and the British who 
do you prefer?

"The Afrikaners," he replied.


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2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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the reality is apartheid was always there: the whites lived in white areas, the africans in theirs, the coloured in theirs. enforced by the same kinds of practices as kept whites and blacks apart in the u.,s. after the civil war. but more importantly, absolutely, there was not a single colonial state at all that did not impose segregation and differential laws on the population. that was at the heart of colonialism, and the southern african model was real in the portuguese colonies just as it was in south africa. i was surprised when i first learn that s africa was not an exception. but it was in effect a system of segregation, more formalized after 1948, but effectively the same.
gloria your recitation of history was meant to show the horrors of the brits, with which i agree. they took over the economic reins and governance. but they also abolished slavery and fought the afrikaners who tried to revolt, and keep their slave owning ways.
the brits had a more liberal faction; i am not aware if the afrikaners did, i never heard of it. the brits included anti apartheid activists who were famous, we all know of them. the afrikaners? dunno of them.
the afrikaners were at the heart of the racism; the brits more typical colonial racist. that's my impression of their cultural difference.

i once argued with an austalian woman of british descent about this reality in kenya; she was convinced the brits were good, etc. nonsense. they were monsters in kenya, for reasons i won't bother enumerating...just read a little ngugi to get a nice feel for the harshness and destructiveness to kikuyus. as for the brits in nigeria, i would love to hear from the nigerian historians on this listserv who can expatiate better than i on how they imposed their race restrictions and economic rules on the colonized people. how was lagos island organized? here's what a cursory look gave: "The historical core of the town, Lagos Island, developed from the main sub-communities who lived in relatively distinct districts. The European community represented a small group (300 people by 1901). This community established the physical foundations of the city, which consisted of warehouses and government buildings built along the Marina and around the racecourse."
the wealth of all colonial states was similarly organized in apartheid fashion. everywhere. south africa was no different.
ken

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"apartheid, that is separation by practice and eventually law, was there in south africa for centuries, long before the british came, and when they did, it was over the opposition of the afrikaners who believed in enslaving africans, and fought a war against the british."

It is always good to have input from you, Ken, but here is the historical reality.

The British made their appearance at the end of the 18th century in the 1790s about a century and a half after the 1652 arrival/invasion of the Dutch. Was apartheid in place during that initial era of Dutch  domination?Technically no. Military conquest was the major preoccupation of the 
Dutch, who fought four major wars against the Khoisan.
They also engaged in  large scale kidnapping of Khoisan women but the institutionalization of the system through a series of laws and regulations such as the Prohibition of Mixed Marriage Act - Act no. 55 of 1949 and the Population Regulation Act of 1950 was not a factor.

If we use your loose definition of apartheid we would have to call  all the colonial regimes,  apartheid states - whether British, French, Belgium, German, Spanish, Portuguese or Italian- or American, Canadian or Australian, for that matter.  I am good with that.

The  opposition between the British and the 
Dutch Afrikaners was primarily  over the imposition of British rule in the early 19th century. That was what triggered the Infamous  Great Trek northwards. The  issue over who would control the diamond and gold fields in the North in the Johannesburg area and environs, was also a major cause of opposition between the two.

The war fought in 1899 was also about 
secessionist tendencies and power and was certainly not aimed at protecting  Africans. In fact the British invaded and fought wars against the Xhosa, the Zulu and any African nation or kingdom that  tried to defend its territorial integrity  and  retake control of  land and resources.
That is the significance of the Anglo-Zulu war of 1879, for example.

Why didn't the British include the Zulu or Xhosa or Pedi or Ndebele nation  in the 1910 union if they were the good guys?

Why did they give Cecil Rhodes and others a free hand to seize gold fields and  bar Africans from controlling the world's greatest diamond fields of the era?

Why did the British encourage Jan Smuts to rule in the first place. He was a defeated general but the British facilitated
his emergence as the first PM of the Union of South Africa 1919-24. 


"if you wanted to say this state was formed like s africa, that's not true"

I said what I meant, namely, that the year 1948 saw the emergence of two  major violators of human rights. 




GE




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The thing to note is that the apartheid state of South Africa was established in 1948, the same year as the establishment of the state of Israel -  and the British were involved in both.

The British created the foundation of South African apartheid separatism, in 1910, by excluding Black nations from the  Union of South Africa, and elevating the Dutch Afrikaners to positions of leadership and hegemony, after this period.

In the case of Israel, the same British establishment created the Balfour Agreement of 1917 that offered a homeland for the Jewish minority in Palestine, then a component of the Ottoman Empire. Fast forward to   1948 and  after, and  the exclusion and  expulsion of millions of Palestinians from the newly created homeland of Israel, would continue.

The  two siblings, South Africa and Israel,  committed atrocities and violated human rights for decades, but the apartheid regime of South Africa, conceded defeat in 1990,  and turned over a new leaf - somewhat.

Israel, the twin, continued with its atrocities, opportunistically  citing holy passages of divine intervention and promise for its land grab.

Interestingly enough, Reverend Francois Malan, a founder of South African  apartheid, would take a slightly different  path for his own toxic territorial expansionist venture. He would build on the 1912 Natives Act, that initially allocated  seven percent of South African land to the Black population, about five times in size, and create his Bantustan separatist policy for his own "Palestinians" in the 1951 Bantu Authorities Act.

As for Israel, well this site sheds 
light on the ongoing issue of land grab:



Gloria Emeagwali 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 23:48 Sabella <sabidde@gmail.com> wrote:

The

State of Israel has been in existence since 1948/1949. Rightfully so! They

deserve to live in peace and security. However, they cannot and should not deny

the Palestinians their inalienable right to statehood; they cannot and should

not deny the Palestinians the right to live in peace and security. Until the US

and the rest of the United Nations Security Council members acquiesces to the

wishes of the Palestinians to become a sovereign state – recognized and a fully

functioning member of the UN and other international organizations – the world

will continue to witness these one-sided carnages.  Unless Palestine becomes a sovereign state,

there will never be peace and serenity in that neighborhood. Never! Military

might or not -- unless there is peace for all -- there will be peace for none.

Something else: we pretend not to know that much of the hostility and resentment

in the Middle is traceable to the Israeli-Palestinian problem. The world, and

indeed, the Middle East will be a much better place if we inject justice and

fairness into the equation.





Sabella

O. Abidde









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