Certainly the present grows out of the past as quickly as it becomes the future. Time flees.
In that sense all three times are one, but that is from God's perspective, not our own.
Time travel is an interesting literary conceit, but not something we can do.
On Aug 22, 2021, at 22:12, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is contradictory to reply to Ken's, question by stating ' Nothing ' and then refer to documents including oral texts. Oral texts are quixotically ' the past in the present.' So it is impossible for the past to be gone for ever as psychoanalytical clinicians/ historians well know.
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On Aug 22, 2021, at 04:01, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
you historians here on the list, what do you find in the past?ken
Nothing. The past no longer exists. It cannot be visited, much less can we go there to find things.
To know what the past was we can only study the remains of the past in the present, which is the only time we can know.
That is why Langlois and Seignobos, when they famously wrote "pas de documents, pas d'histoire", defined documents as the remains of the past in the present.
N.B. that the phrase does not define documents as only written documents, but as any remains of the past in the present, including artifacts and oral traditions.
But the past is how the present came to be. To understand the present we must know the past.
Anyway, read my book, if you'll pardon the cliché. There's more about this there.
John Edward PhilipsInternational Society, College of Humanities, Hirosaki University"Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto." -Terentius Afer
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