kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
harrow@msu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 1:10 AM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Can we really know about the war in Ukraine?
--if the news is one-sided, perhaps it's because a million decent reporters are noting the war crimes, crimes against humanity, the bombing of cities back to the stone age, the killling of children trying to leave cities from train stations.how much denial of obvious truth do you want from russia before you can see the plain truth here?it isn't a question of "western" news.i am very willing to walk the walk with you cornelius to argue that peace is the goal, which we share.but how can you support movement toward peace when no being willing to admit the plain truth of the situation?there was one concentration camp which hitler dolled up for the red cross and the press, to dupe them into believing the concentration camps weren't so bad....putin is cut from the same cloth.we just saw the film Novalny about how putin tried to poison him, and then had him thrown into prison for daring to oppose him politically. he is a gross autocrat who is not afraid to slaughter innocent people.that's the trut' ruth'ken
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2022 5:33 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Can we really know about the war in Ukraine?The reports about Russia's special military operation in Ukraine are very one-sided; there's a dearth of information about what's going on, from the Russian side, for example, these days Facebook does not allow https://www.rt.com/
It's like having to depend on all the lies and war propaganda from the devil himself, and only from him, even after he has already told us that " In war, truth is the first casualty", which means that we should never expect any truth for him, and when you bear that in mind, you are then in a better position to understand what Jesus meant, when he said, (John 8:44)
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. "
At the time – on 18th February 2022, when Joe Biden was asked why he was convinced that President Putin was going to invade Ukraine, he replied, " We have a significant intelligence capability. Thank you very much." At the same press conference, Biden said, "the Ukrainian forces have shown great judgment and, I might add, restraint. They've refused to allow the Russians to bait them into war." Once again, what Joe Biden was saying was very far the tru
We now know why Biden was so sure that The Bear was going to go on the attack and this kind of information was never trumpeted from the White House, CNN or even Fox News:
"On 17 February, President Joe Biden announced that Russia would attack Ukraine in the next few days. How did he know this? It is a mystery. But since the 16th, the artillery shelling of the population of Donbass had increased dramatically, as the daily reports of the OSCE observers show. Naturally, neither the media, nor the European Union, nor NATO, nor any Western government reacted or intervened. It would be said later that this was Russian disinformation. In fact, it seems that the European Union and some countries have deliberately kept silent about the massacre of the Donbass population, knowing that this would provoke a Russian intervention.
At the same time, there were reports of sabotage in the Donbass. On 18 January, Donbass fighters intercepted saboteurs, who spoke Polish and were equipped with Western equipment and who were seeking to create chemical incidents in Gorlivka. They could have been CIA mercenaries, led or "advised" by Americans and composed of Ukrainian or European fighters, to carry out sabotage actions in the Donbass Republics.In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knew that the Ukrainians had begun intense shelling the civilian population of Donbass, forcing Vladimir Putin to make a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem, or to stand by and watch the Russian-speaking people of Donbass being crushed.
If he decided to intervene, Putin could invoke the international obligation of "Responsibility To Protect" (R2P). But he knew that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention would trigger a storm of sanctions. Therefore, whether Russian intervention were limited to the Donbass or went further to put pressure on the West over the status of the Ukraine, the price to pay would be the same. This is what he explained in his speech on February 21. On that day, he agreed to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Donbass Republics and, at the same time, he signed friendship and assistance treaties with them.
The Ukrainian artillery bombardment of the Donbass population continued, and, on 23 February, the two Republics asked for military assistance from Russia. On 24 February, Vladimir Putin invoked Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which provides for mutual military assistance in the framework of a defensive alliance.
In order to make the Russian intervention seem totally illegal in the eyes of the public, Western powers deliberately hid the fact that the war actually started on February 16. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as some Russian and European intelligence services were well aware. "To complement the article ( for balance) this kind of thrust, Biden's Weakness on the Ukraine-Russia War is a Threat to America promotes the other question, would all this have happened if Trump had been re-elected? Biden has been taking some flak for shooting his mouth about regime change in Russia...
What you refer to as "the full complexity" begins to unravel and to un-complicate when you look at the ethnolinguistic map of Ukraine in the context of this article
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, re- your question, "But, if Putin was moved to act simply bxs of the situations in Donbass and Dontesk, why did he not limit himself to those regions from the beginning? " -
We don't know how the military operation is going to end nor should we take any consolation in Thomas Stearns Eliot's eschatological nightmare that results in The Hollow Men that ends
"This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but a whimper."
Once Russia has established control of the Donbas, Luhansk, Donetsk region Mister Zelensky acting as NATO's chief lapdog in Ukraine should be hard-pressed to not go for the Nobel Prize for Peace by actively seeking peace and pursuing it by acceding to President Putin's demands – all of them – which if he had had the good sense to have accepted from early February would have saved humanity so much unnecessary death and destruction. I'm still asking, what the hell is Zelensky fighting for?
By the way, I suppose that you'd be interested in this:
Rose Cross Over the Baltic: The Spread of Rosicrucianism in Northern Europe by Susanna Åkerman
--On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 14:42:52 UTC+2 ovdepoju wrote:
Interesting. Deeply thought provoking and disturbing.
But, if Putin was moved to act simply bxs of the situations in Donbass and Dontesk, why did he not limit himself to those regions from the beginning?
Why the terrible fighting fighting in Mauripoil?
The writer seems to be arguing that Russia is not engaged in destruction of civilian facilities and killing of non- combatants in Ukraine.
Is that argument sustainable?
Or is he suggesting that the militarisation of the Ukrainian populace makes all of them targets of the Russians?
Looks like an article that whitewashes Putin and his war rather than trying to shed light on the full complexity of the situation.
Important issues raised though, about claims of Ukrainian inhumanities against Donbass and Dontesk who only want to live their own way and nothing else and of Ukraine refusing to recognize agreements it reached on those regions- Minsk 1 and 2.
Thanks
Toyin
On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 22:29 Toyin Falola <toyin...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
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