kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
harrow@msu.edu
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 10:42 AM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Quran burning in Sweden?
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
When their time comes, those who burn the Quran won't stop burning in hell.
You probably don't understand the holy status of a Torah Scroll
The holiness of a Torah scroll
How do you think the Israeli Jews would react if, God forbid, some uncircumcised miscreants went ahead with some heinous burning of Sacred Torah Scrolls, at the Mea Shearim?
You are going to tell the good folks at Mea Shearim to keep quiet, stay calm, react with Adepju's appropriate philosophic dignity.
And if they don't, "By the time the burners see that Jews don't care about how many Torah Scrolls go up in flames, the burners will stop burning"?
Before you decide to answer the question, check this out : The History of Torah burning
Thanks, Cornelius.
By the time the burners see that Muslims don't care they'll stop burning.
Thanks
Toyim
--On Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 15:00 Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
"There is nothing in our book, the Qur'an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery." ( Malcolm X )
With regard to so-called "Islamic violence, this is the state of the world, today:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Every once in a while my late Yoruba Grandmother used to muse when cautioning against provocation, that " Provocation is next to madness!"
I suppose that you understand what madness means?
Until just a few moments ago when I checked, I used to think that "Provocation is next to madness" was a direct quotation from the Holy Bible because it was her wont to spice her homilies liberally with quotations from the King James Version, and like some of her like-minded contemporaries she knew most of the Psalms of David and Kohelet / Ecclesiastes by heart - knew all that according to the state of the English Language ( early seventeenth century) translations of the Hebrew and Greek canon. Greatest storyteller, if I remember correctly, her strongest invective was " Beast of Ephesus" – and she also used to say things about Nebuchadnezzar...
According to Professor Google, this is some of what the Bible says about provocation
Both of my grandmothers would have been horrified about Bible-burning anywhere...
And when some God-forsaken infidels start burning copies of the Holy Quran right outside the main mosque in Sokoto and Kano, what you demand Dear Adepoju, is some calm, sober, philosophical reflection from the incensed Muslim Brethren, and that after due & considerate reflection instead of breaking out into a holy war rampage, spreading death and destruction on those responsible - and above all bringing the miscreants swiftly, in fact - immediately to justice, that they decide to exercise some self-restraint/forbearance and ask themselves your question, " If you burn the Koran, so what?"
Dear Adepoju's follow-up question to the rationally enraged Muslims is,
" Why not use the provocative moment as an opportunity for public discourse on mutual respect and the transcendence of Islamic spiritual vision over such inanities as Koran burning? "
There's a long history of Islamophobia and the provocation of Muslims going back all the way to the Crusades when the war propaganda of those so-called soldiers of Christ ( astaghfirullah) was that there was a Satanic Islamic Trinity which Muslims worship, comprising the Devil, Muhammad, and the Black Stone in Mecca.
Check this out: Islamophobia in Sweden
In Scandinavia in the past couple of years, as a direct reaction to world events, post-911, and in tandem with increased Muslim immigration and the importation and spreading of Islam as an unending tide of Muslim refugees to Europe and in the aftermath of Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe, every additional incident fans the fear of a Eurabia - and in reaction to this the provocations are gathering momentum - already, we have been through
The Muhammad Cartoons ( Denmark)
Lars Vilks ( Sweden)
By contrast, nobody was killed because of the Ecce Homo Exhibition - but should the worse than senseless things try any such folly with Islam's most beloved prophet they will surely rue the day...
If all of the above is all too depressing, here are two books that you may find to be a little more uplifting (not that Cornelius Ignoramus agrees with everything written therein) :
The Pearl of Sufism (Even the preface will surprise you )
The Teachings of a Sufi Master
The author Seyed Mostafa Azmayesh has wisely gone underground. He says that his life is in danger.
Our master advised us against getting involved in politics, in any way whatsoever, and that's why I'm exercising the uttermost restraint in reacting locally to this Quran burning. My nafs are raging...
Suffice it to say the Islamic Republic of Iran has reacted strongly to the despicable act of Quran burning in Sweden.
--On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 10:51:24 UTC+2 ovdepoju wrote:
If you burn the Koran, so what?
What does that do to Islam?
Nothing.
Why are Muslims so readily provoked into acts of violence in the name of religion, thereby justifying their critics?
Why not use the provocative moment as an opportunity for public discourse on mutual respect and the transcendence of Islamic spiritual vision over such inanities as Koran burning?
Thanks
Toyin
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 22:48 Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
--Bible, the holy book of Christians, is spelled with five alphabets and so is the holy book of Muslims, the Quran spelled with five alphabets. Muslims holy place of worship called Mosque is spelled with six alphabets just like the Christians holy place of worship called, Church contains six alphabets. The original home of Islam and Christianity is the Middle East and consequently the two religious faiths share, mostly, the same prophets. The Christians Joseph is the same person called Yousef by the Muslims; The woman called Miriam by the Muslims is the same woman called Maria by the Christians; and the person called Jesus by the Christians is called Isa by the Muslims etc. In the main, the two religions are almost alike even though the language of worship may differ from country to country.
Christianity did not originate in Europe; it was only adopted through catholic and orthodox churches leading subsequently to various kinds of Christianity in Europe and the world. In Sweden and Denmark, the Viking's gods, Thor, Odin and Freyja were worshiped before conversion to Christianity occurred. Rasmus Paludan has been profiled as a Danish right-wing extremist who applied and got permissions from the police authority in Sweden to burn the holy book of the Muslims, the Quran at six different places in Sweden. If Rasmus Paludan had been a good Christian, he would have been busy preparing for the Easter celebrations, instead of choosing to begin to burn Quran in Sweden on Maundy (holy) Thursday, 14 April 2022, in Skäggtorp, a district in the town of Linköping. His chosen areas to burn Quaran are segregated quarters where foreigners and mostly Muslims in Sweden reside and they are all located in districts which all the political class in Sweden have classified as socially vulnerable areas. Why did the police grant permission to Rasmus Paludan to burn Qurans in the residential areas of the socially vulnerable people?
The Swedish Prime Minister, Magdalena Anderson, visited Norrköping, one of the towns affected by the consequence of Paludan's Quran burning political enterprise on Wednesday, 20 April 2022. She said, "In Sweden one has the right to say detestable things. Even to protest against it. But never to throw stone against the Police (p. 10, Swedish Dagens Nyheter, 21 April 2022)." Contrary to Magdalena Anderson's assertions, Rasmus Paludan was not saying detestable thing but was actually doing detestable thing by going to the district where Muslims live in Sweden to burn their holy book, the Quran. Why should the burning of Quran by Rasmus Paludan be allowed? Prime Minister Anderson replied, "Sweden has a strong freedom of expression even when it concerns detestable opinions. It is an important part of our democracy. The extreme-right provocateur, Rasmus Paludan, stands for a hate message which is not dignifying to Sweden (p. 10-11, DN, 21 April 2022)." Again, the Prime Minister got it wrong because there is a huge gap between 'freedom of expression and freedom to act anyhow in the public.' Freedom of expression can reasonably not include freedom to harass, assault and humiliate people on the ground of their religious beliefs. Granting permission to the Danish right-wing extremist to come to Sweden and select the residential areas of Muslims to burn Quran was intended to harass, humiliate and assault the sensibilities of the Muslims living in those areas. The Police should have known or foreseen that they were tempting the Swedish Muslims into violence by granting Rasmus Paludan permission to born Quran in Muslim's residential areas.S. Kadiri
From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 April 2022 13:49
To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com <USAAfric...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Quran burning in Sweden?--It's time for Muslims to wake up and smell the juice.
This Holy Month of Ramadan, isn't this type of provocation a sacrilege and precisely the kind that leads to foreseeable consequences such as spontaneous, unplanned VIOLENCE?
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDial...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAFYPD-SCxuUTj7RJtfqGp%2BOSCBp%2B7A99Snwa8A0u9XVBQMSvog%40mail.gmail.com.
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDial...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/HE1P193MB00765937F3D48868099D2D75AEF49%40HE1P193MB0076.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM.
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue+subscribe@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialogue+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/beedf524-6be9-44b3-94fe-577086cb1489n%40googlegroups.com.
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue+subscribe@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/usaafricadialogue/PSGyanfOGUM/unsubscribe.
To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to usaafricadialogue+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAGBtzfO_s5%3D8M5oTAn0KSfdc5MKYpOvMAHf915OZ0KZb8aCFig%40mail.gmail.com.
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDialogue+subscribe@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialogue+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/usaafricadialogue/CAFYPD-Rrf9OEMDuwch%2BdXo714N_OBm%3DHcrcS-AMn%2B3TdCn-WaQ%40mail.gmail.com.
No comments:
Post a Comment