Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Meditations of the Perplexed Yogi

​Menahem Hamelberg,

The Biblical and Qur'anic laws were written when mankind lived in caves or huts, covered nakedness with fig-leaf or loin-cloth, and the fastest means of travelling was either by ass (donkey) or at best horse. The theocratic laws of the antiquities were, of necessity, presented as God's command to mankind to attract obedience and compliance. The world of today is quite different from the time of Jesus and Mohammad. Many of the barbarities reportedly committed in the scripture in the olden days, if they were to be committed nowadays by any person(s), such person(s) would end up in Hague for trial. Take for instance what we are told in the Bible, 1 Samuel, Chapter 15 verse 3 which commanded thus, "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; and spare them not; but SLAY BOTH MAN AND WOMAN, INFANT AND SUCKLING, OX AND SHEEP, CAMEL AND ASS. If I say that such acts were repugnant to common sense and humanity, would you charge me for blasphemy? The State of Israel is democratically governed today with a President, a Prime Minister and an elected Parliament which is contrary to what obtained during and after the time Bible was written. For we are told in 2 Kings, Chapter 15 verses 14 - 17 : For Menahem the son of Gadi went up from Tirzah, and came to Samaria, and SMOTE SHALLUM THE SON OF JABESH IN SAMARIA, AND SLEW HIM, AND REIGNED IN HIS STEAD. Verse 16 - Then MENAHEM SMOTE TIPHSAH AND ALL THAT WERE THEREIN, AND THE COASTS THEREOF FROM TIRZAH : BECAUSE THEY OPEN NOT FOR HIM, THEREFORE HE SMOTE IT; AND ALL THE WOMEN THEREIN THAT WERE WITH CHILD HE RIPPED UP. (King James Version). If I disbelieve that Menahem did all the horrible things credited to him or condemned him for doing those horrible things, should I be charged for Blasphemy?

According to Cornelius, "Islam is explicit about the punishment for Blasphemy and if professor Harrow doesn't believe me, he should go and commit some blatant acts of wanton blasphemy (for example say the sort of things that Deborah Yakubu is reported to have said) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ..." 

To begin with, I have searched through the media in order to know what exactly Deborah Yakubu said that amounted to blasphemy as claimed by her murderers. It was only in the Nigerian online Nation of 17 May 2022 that I could find the voice note of Deborah Yakubu, as translated from the original Hausa. She said : Holy ghost fire, nothing would happen to me. Is it by force you guys keep sending these religious messages in our group? Our group wasn't created for that, but rather as a notice for when there is a test, assignment, examination, etc. Not this nonsense religious post. Aside from the 'Holy ghost fire,' and the protest over religious postings, the Nation asserted that the voice mail was secular. The Nation concluded, "Except the alleged insult of Prophet Muhammad had come before the voice recording, there appears no proof of blasphemy - whatever that means." Thou shall not bear false witness, Cornelius preached recently on this forum and he should leave up to his own preaching by making available to his readers what Deborah Yakubu said exactly that amount to blasphemy which justified his being murdered by Muslim predators.

 Islam, the religion of Muslim is based mainly on Holy Quran and nowhere in the Holy Quran is it stipulated that blasphemer should be punished here on earth. Rather, the Quran curses those who commit blasphemy and promises blasphemers humiliation in al-Ãkhirah, the Arabic word for Hereafter implying Heaven. It is overzealous Muslim practitioners who invent death sentence for those they assume to have blasphemed Islamic religion and its prophet. Cornelius has challenged professor Harrow to travel to Saudi Arabia to commit blasphemy. There is a Yoruba aphorism which counsels that if one is in the midst of animals, one should get something that looks like a tail to fix to the anus, so as to look like them for personal safety. The unsaid reason for that counsel is that it is suicidal to behave like a human being in the mist of beasts. Professor Harrow may travel to Saudi Arabia but being conscious of what happened to Jamal Khashoggi, the former editor of Al-Watan and former General Manager and Editor-in-Chief of the Al-Arab News Channel, at the Saudi Arabia Embassy in Ankara, Turkey, on October 2, 2018, he will not play into the hands of assholes who do bad things for bad reasons without consideration. Very often, the Editor of the book, The Psychology of Stupid People, Jean-Francois Marmion told us, it is said that stupid people are also mean and cruel; they ignore and often despise moral values.   The Islamic fundamentalists claim absolute right to say anything about their religion to people but they forbid anyone from asking whether their claims are true or false.

We have seen how kidnappers in Nigeria armed with guns shout Lord Jesus and Allah Akbar respectively while kidnapping, but the ransoms they always demand are millions of naira money, instead of Bible and Quran. The Governors in Nigeria collect billions of Naira quarterly from the Federal government but instead of investing the huge amounts of money in socio-economic welfare of the people of their respective state, they share the funds among themselves and tell their people that their sudden wealth is a blessing from God or Allah depending on their religious affiliations. The Federal Government and its chains of cronies become wealthy overnight through oil-block gifts, fuel subsidy frauds and unexecuted contracts for which the entire cost have been paid, attribute their sudden wealth without work to Allah or God's blessing. Indeed, the real Blasphemers in Nigeria are those who kidnap in the name of Jesus/Allah/God for ransoms in return for naira as well as those who steal the developmental funds of Nigeria which they whitewash as blessings of Allah or God. Ironically, any Nigerian who says God or Allah does not make money and cannot give money to anyone is accused of Blasphemy.

S. Kadiri 

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Freedom of speech? Ojogbon Falola likes making fun of me. I'm not exactly complaining. I suppose that he has a quiet laugh and writes his mischievous hyperboles and understatements, with a smile on his face. Ditto Don Harrow. In his case, he likes to provoke me and here's an example of one of his latest provocations, my comments in dark black : 

 " i know it disturbed cornelius, and perhaps others, when i do not take the position that blasphemy is a crime that merits punishment ( the death penalty) like that which the poor student deborah had to suffer. no one likes blasphemy ( like hell no one likes blasphemy)  especially in these days of islamophobia, which we have to find ways to oppose."

This much should be quite clear: It's not going to be  Professor Harrow playing the role of Chief Justice or Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala attorney-general or chief prosecutor 

in the Hereafter, on the Day of Judgement. 

Islam is explicit about the punishment for Blasphemy, and if Professor Harrow doesn't believe me, he should go and commit some blatant acts of wanton blasphemy ( for example, say the sort of things that Deborah Yakubu is reported to have said) in The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, or for the same test purpose, he should travel to Mashad in The Islamic Republic of Iran, and commit the same blasphemies there, in the hope that Sleepy Joe Biden will save him. The fact is that in such a case  Sleepy Joe won't be able to do jack anything. In either country, they'd love to make some halal kebab out of him, to teach him and other would-be blasphemers a lesson.  If he chooses Iran as the place to test the waters,  in no time at all, we will be reading here that an infidel has been arrested and is awaiting execution as a blasphemer and as an Israeli spy. Pa Biden will cry   " Israeli spy?  For goodness sake, the Brother's an American citizen!". whilst back in Tehran & Qom the Mullahs would be remonstrating, " LIke hell, " An American citizen", and what was Jonathan Pollard? Ang, who indeed was Eli Cohen?" Obviously, the Mullahs haven't  been reading any Rush-die, but  have been reading a lot of Holy Quran & Al-Kafi,  a lot of John le Carré  too, probably cut their teeth on George Smiley or "The Little Drummer Girl"

I'm also as much against the death penalty as Danny Glover is but crying oceans of tears wouldn't make Kenneth  Harrow come back. Not even nuclear threats from Alabam or preachments from Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.  So, knowing all this, the would-be blasphemers should exercise more self-control at the basic minimum, and the uttermost self-restraint in order to save their own skin. 

This much is also certain: In the philosophy department of a Western type University, a discussion of blasphemy (atheism/agnosticism/heresy is not regarded as criminal or as a crime…

For my birthday in 2008 - and this was from a close relative who knew I would be more amused than offended, I got a copy of  Christopher Hitchens' magnum opus titled " God Is Not Great" which turned out to be really, quite trite!

Sadly, in the case of Deborah Yakubu, I don't think that it was necessarily a deliberate series of provocations on her part, It must have been that in the palaver that ensued,  the argument escalated and  - in ignorance and oblivious of the fact that she was standing on very shaky & dangerous ground, she said the things that she said, adding insult to injury and reaped the consequences. 

I would like to ask Christians who love to preach the Christian doctrine of "Love your enemies", how would Jesus have dealt with this matter? 

Would he have said that everyone who threw a stone at Deborah should be

Hanged?

Crucified?

Executed by the stroke of a sword? 

Face the wrath of a firing squad? 

On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 11:45:44 UTC+2 Kenneth Harrow wrote:

thanks toyin.

i think sublime in the kantean sense means something that exceeds what we can put into language/discourse/rational thought

the ordinary sense is wonderful. but this larger sense is closer to the biblical "terrible," "wondrous", "fearful" etc, and really evokes such moments as moses on the mountain, hidden in the cleft, as god passes by before him.

i always found african religious thought to be much much closer to our jewish biblical thought than any other approach.

as for islam, you are right. my first book was Faces of Islam in African Literature, where i evoke the sufi thought in camara laye and cheikh hamidou kane and tayib saleh. the second book of essays, the Marabout and the Muse, was an attempt to complete the regional converage of islam.

i know it disturbed cornelius, and perhaps others, when i do not take the position that blasphemy is a crime that merits punishment like that which the ppor student deborah had to suffer. no one likes blasphemy, especially in these days of islamophobia, which we have to find ways to oppose.

 i am very very sensible to the insults against and demeaning of islam in the west, and build my political values around that struggle. i wish we could all be on the same page.

but it is one thing to say that this is regarded as an unacceptable act in islam; another to condone killing the offender. the line really must be clear.

ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

har...@msu.edu

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An unusual kind of sublimity. Would like to read that speech.

Thanks Ken.

I still find it strange referring to you by your first name, since Nigerians don't do that with people far ahead of them, recalling as I do that paper of yours I might have mentioned more than once, "A Sufi Interpretation of Le Regarde de Roi," perhaps my first encounter with a discussion of Islamic mysticism  in African literature, in the basement of the Ugbowo library of the University of Benin, at the beginning of my academic career.

You've moved on from that long ago orientation, including the collection Islam in African Literature, if I recall the title correctly, with a superb essay on Mahmoud Dib, Turareg poet, that being possibly the correct name of the poet,  but it's that Islamic mystical strand I will always associate with you.

Thanks

Toyin

On Thu, May 19, 2022, 15:28 Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:

beautiful reflection, but the antithesis of kantian sublime which transcends the beauty and humane spirit of the buddha. when 9/11 occurred, spivak came to our university and described the event as sublime, in the kantian sense

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

har...@msu.edu

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For years, I have lived the ascetic life.

Seated at the entrance to this cave, I see the valley below and the town within it.

In the far distance after this natural space and the human habitation nestled within it, is a mountain range.

Beyond the mountain range, towering to the farthest height of sight,  is the sky.

Beyond the sky is the sun.

The sun is setting,gloriously red in it's circular splendour,  seeming to rest in a gap between the mountains.

My fellow humans. Myself. The sun. The rhythm of it's rising and setting. Our rhythms of being and becoming.

What is beyond this?

" One thing do I preach brother, now and always, suffering, and deliverance from suffering" the Buddha declared, describing desire as the root of suffering.

Without desire, without the tension between ideal and fulfillment, without the pain of indequacy of the world, what would life be worth?

I withdraw from the quest for freedom from pain.I withdraw from the rejection of desire.

"As long as space abides, as long as the world abides, so long shall I abide, destroying the sufferings of the world," declares Santideva in his Boddhicaryavatakara.

Sublime.

But, which suffering? Of physical health? Of pain in the dissatisfaction with reality?

How meaningful would a perfect  world be?

"We must be still and still moving, into another intensity, for a further union, a deeper communion " T. S. Eliot.

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