You are yet to even attempt to debunk the account I gave of IPOB history.
Is anything I wrote false?
Did IPOB not begin as a wholly peaceful movement seeking referendum for the SE?
We they not massacred even when they posed no threat of violence?
You have refused to respond to my assertive responses to these questions but instead point to an IPOB history which you say everyone can see.
You are refusing to give this grave issue the seriousness it deserves, preferring to be dismissive.
Pro-Igbo and Pro-Biafra-not always identiical-sentiments among Igbo people are very real.
Is there anyone or any group consistently adressing these issues?
Thanks
Toyin
On Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 13:56 Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:
Oluwatoyin,I do not think that a reharsh of IPOB history here is necessary.That history is public knowledge. All utterances and actions are public knowledge, so why should I indulge in that unnecessary journey.The example I gave(which I needn't give in the first place) was also public knowledge and follows in the tradition of IPOB's use of threats and other forms of physical and psychological violence to achieve its objectives.The antecedents of most ESN commanders, like the late "Ikonso" will fill any normal person with horror. "Ikonso", according to credible reports was promised head of the Biafran army.You can continue to seen IPOB and Kanu as heroes, it is your right, after all, the Hitlers of this world have admirers.Have a nice day.-CAO.
On Monday, October 17, 2022, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:With reference to that declaration you reference, can you situate it within it's immediate context and it's relationship to IPOB history, as I tried to do with my own analysis?In what sense is it justified to characterize IPOB as a group of criminals as that quote you reference suggests?Are IPOB best understood as opportunists, as freedom fighters or both and how does their history bear out either characterisation?As for what they said or did not say, we are talking here about interpreting a complex history, not simply referring to what anyone may have said or done.Kanu and IPOB have issues with glorification of his person.Why?What inspires their devotion?Is the Biafran vision dismissable?To what degree does IPOB represent it's dynamics?ThanksToyin--On Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 09:41 Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:"Chidi,All you have done is make declarations.You have not justified your views."-OluwatoyinReally? Even when I gave an example of a Senator who asked the federal government to rid Abia state forests of crireminals and was warned publicly to desist or write his will?The above example was used because it was public. There are several others that are not public.By the way, the utterances and the actions that arose from those utterances are public knowledge.It is surprising to me that you believe that a group with a "supreme leader" can be "impactful" in an area majorly populated by people known to be majorly republican, except if you are talking about the "Jesu Oyingbo" type of impact.-CAO.
On Sunday, October 16, 2022, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:--Chidi,All you have done is make declarations.You have not justified your views.If you have a perspective on IPOB you can justify with reference to the history of the development of the movement, present it.I don't recall reading any serious analysis of Nnamdi Kanu from you.Only dismissal while ignoring the fact that his impact, however you define it, would be impossible without his resonating with a broad range of people, people who are far from being of the unreasonable Boko Haram variety.ThanksToyinOn Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 15:07 Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:Oluwatoyin,You simply swallowed the propaganda which is different from the reality.If you had taken time to read and ponder the utterances that came out and the actions that followed such utterances, your definition of "peaceful" in this context would have been different.If you were also able to conduct a field investigation on this matter, your definition of "impactful" would also have been different.Your "peaceful" friends are currently telling Senator Orji Uzor Kalu to write his will if he doesn't desist from telling the federal government to floursh out criminals from the forests of Abia state. Their spokesperson just released the threat.-CAO.
On Sunday, October 16, 2022, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:--IPOB generated a valid vision for the actualization of Biafra through a peaceful referendum.On account of their agitation, govt figures began to talk publicly about restructuring, a vision they ignored after reaching Aso Rock.Even Fulani militia atrocities were paused.IPOB members were killed by the govt for no reason, people in prayer massacred.In the midst of the ravages from Fulani herdsmen and militia, IPOB formed ESN, Eastern Security Network, predating the SW Amotekun, formed by SW governors to address the same challenges, after they could no longer withstand the sheer effrontery and rivers of blood those destroyers were casusing, amidst cries from various quarters in Yorubaland, and even then, the SW self protection strategies have not been able to break away from the hobbling by the fed govt which enables the reign of terror by Fulani militia and herdsmen.Kanu foreshadowed Sunday Igboho, pursuing the freedom of Yorubaland from Fulani militia and violent Fulani herdsmen.NoIbam not aware of anyone after Ojukwu who has done more than Kanu to foreground the question of the place and future of Ndigbo in Nigeria and the relationship of that subject to the issue of justice for all nationalities in Nigeria.I understand he has alienated other ethnicities by insulting them. That his proposed map of Biafra includes non-Igbo regions.All such are bad moves, if true.The violence eventually associated with IPOB emerged after fed govt went after Kanu with murderous tanks and soldiers.After that was done, govt figures stopped talking about restructuring. Fulani miltia attacks resumed.IPOB members are described as characterised by intolerance of opposing views. Of using violence in forcing their views on others. Possibly also by a split in their ranks.I see the non-verbal negativities as emerging after FG escalated their strong arm tactics against them, targeting Kanu.As it is, after Ojukwu came MASSOB.After MASSOB has come IPOB.The spirit that inspires these movements is not likely to die, even if support for them is slowed down by having an Igbo President.I see the core vision as a quest for equity within the Nigerian complex.The IPOB view is arguing that the Nigerian political system cannot deliver such equity, and so Ndigbo should be allowed the choice to exit it while those Igbo who wish to continue living in Nigeria are free to do so, with freedom to live and work anywhere they choose but with a country of their own they can run the way they like.If you understand any of these issues and history differently, do let me know.Great thanksToyinOn Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 10:19 Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:Oluwatoyin Adepoju,Rabble rousers are also leaders. They lead their roused rabbles. There are definitely rabbles in Southeast Nigeria (Igboland) like in every other places.I am wondering what your definitions of "impactful" and "peaceful" may be.-CAO.
On Saturday, October 15, 2022, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:Nnamdi Kanu is a political leader, the most impacful political figure in contemporary SE and Igbo politics.He is not a rabble rouser.Did he jump bail?He fled for his life when his then peaceful movement was attacked by the fed govt using troops and tanks, killing people.What is the right legal response to that act of murderous tyranny by the fed govt?ThanksToyin--On Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 20:33 Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:By way of comparison what springs to mind is the famous/infamous case of Abdullah Öcalan the leader of PKK who was eventually kidnapped in Kenya and flown to Turkey, for trial.
The Nergros in Kenya had shipped and sold him downriver.
Nigeria also shipped Liberia's Charles Taylor downriver, after granting him some kind of political asylum. Nigeria would have probably also shipped Mengistu Haile Mariam, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden downstream after being unable to resist just a little pressure from Uncle Sam…
Of course, Nnamdi Kanu is no Abdullah Öcalan, IPOB is no PKK, the idea of Biafra is a far cry from the parameters of statehood wished for as Kurdistan, and an even greater differential is that Nigeria is very different from Turkey, not only with regard to due legal process.
At this point one can demur and wonder aloud if the Umaru Dikko debacle had turned out differently and Dikko had been successfully landed safely at the Port Harcourt Airport, that on Day 1 of his trial his lawyers would have argued strenuously as their main objection, the "illegal abduction" of their client, to face the music in a Nigerian Court of Law.
We can well imagine Osama Bin Laden's lawyers making the same kind of objections after an international arrest warrant had been issued should their client have been kidnapped from Pakistan and brought to trial to face the legal music somewhere near Ground Zero, within the New York Jurisdiction, before being summarily stripped or shipped to Guantanamo Bay…
It simply doesn't make sense: The current Nigerian powers that be go to such extraordinary lengths as to kidnap Nnamdi Kanu who for months has been on the run, been spotted bowing at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, like the Scarlet Pimpernel, " They seek him here, they seek him there. Those Frenchies seek him everywhere. Is he in heaven or is he in hell? That damned elusive Pimpernel", personally, I lose track, according to some sources he was last seen dancing somewhere in London, Merry England.
Naija's Attorney-General and Minister of Justice Abubakar Malami goes to such lengths to get the man who jumped bail, and once he's got him, only to capitulate with a wimpy you are now "discharged and acquitted", whatever that's supposed to mean…
Inevitably, Chidi's somewhat cryptic and condensed "Nnamdi Kanu'' is discharged and acquitted. Kudos to strategy.", raises more questions, and can only give speculative or conspiratorial answers. Surely, an unstated question lurking/surfacing or being suppressed from being uttered though nevertheless on everyone's mind is this:
If at any time between now and the day of judgement ( Nigeria's Presidential Election Day of 25th February 2023) rabble-rouser Nnamdi Kanu were to be re-arraigned for a new trial, predictably found guilty of certain types of alleged sedition/ unlawful possession of firearms/ weapons etc and duly sentenced in fulfilment of Nigerian Law - instead of being "discharged and acquitted", what are we to speculate would be the impact of such an outcome on, the Presidential elections in general? On the presidential elections in - by definition what Nnamdi Kanu would or has previously laid claim to being - geographically and politically speaking the Biafra zone, that he ideally would like to see carved out of Nigeria - after a peaceful constitutional divorce, a referendum maybe, or by any other means necessary or unnecessary, as IPOB had been previously advocating? How would Nnamdi Kanu's fate at a Nigerian Court of Law affect, Peter Obi's chances for the Naija presidency, not to mention a man of the moment, Bola Ahmed Tinubu and an even more distant sympathiser to the Biafra cause personified in Alhaji Atiku Abubakar?
From here to eternity: Max Tegmark says there's a real possibility of a nuclear war breaking out…
It's something more serious when the future of all mankind is at stake…
--On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 22:46:54 UTC+2 chidi...@gmail.com wrote:Tompolo is safeguarding crude oil. Nnamdi Kanu is discharged and acquitted. Kudos to strategy.-Chidi Anthony Opara (CAO)
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