Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Sudan, Ethiopia, not just Gaza

The reported number of dead in darfur this year is approximately the same as those in gaza.

That's just this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Sudan_(2023)#:~:text=As%20of%20October%202023%2C%20between,6%2C000%20to%2012%2C000%20others%20injured.

The broad total is around 400,000.

Ken

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From: Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 10:12:31 AM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Sudan, Ethiopia, not just Gaza

 

I don't see why we can't condemn the destruction of gaza, critique the rightwing israeli regime, as well as hamas.

The deaths in darfur now are exceeding those of gaza. Can't we say that horrible militia rsf, with the janjaweed past, and support from the uae and wagner group, is  reprehensible, without saying that it's not as bad as israel?

That logic is unacceptable to me. For years israel's govts kept repelling criticism of prejudicial treatment of arabs by saying it was unfair to criticize them when things were so much worse in south africa, or elsewhere in africa.

What is happening in ethiopia or sudan, the loss of lives, is not mitigated by invidious comparisons. 

Ken

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From: 'Victor Okafor' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 10:00:00 AM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Sudan, Ethiopia, not just Gaza

 

Dear Toyin:

Yes, the festering, drawn-out, and internecine Sudanese and Ethiopian wars are pitiful, have generated condemnable and avoidable destruction of lives and property, deserve and have continued to receive our criticism, but has any of them led to or involved a methodical annihilation of over eleven thousand civilian lives (and mounting) and calculated destructions of life-supporting infrastructure and property in a matter of days? While each of the Sudanese and Ethiopian cases can correctly be characterized as "wars" bilaterally waged by sides that tend to be relatively symmetrically equipped (each with its own army and airforce and related armaments), is it fair and just to indirectly try to vitiate our global moral outrage over Gaza by implicitly comparing the Sudanese and Ethiopian situations to the asymmetrical methodical mass murder that we have been witnessing in Gaza whereby one side, which is backed materially and morally by the world's mightiest military powers, is armed to the teeth, possesses one of the most well-equipped infantry in the world with state-of-the-art artillery and military tanks, one of the most modern and lethal air forces in the world, one of the most potent navies of the world, including submarines, while the other side consists of a rag-tag force of militia operating from hideouts and starved of basic necessities of life? Does either the Sudanese or Ethiopian situation involve the dominant side openly announcing that its objective is to exterminate/wipe out a militarized segment of a population that's also a political party, which deserves our harshest condemnation for acting offensively and destructively on civilian targets within Israel on October 7, 2023? In real life, can you physically distinguish a political party from the civilian population?

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 8:22 AM Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

To you all, know that the wars in Sudan have gone from bad to worse, spreading to Darfur.

 

Another war has broken out in Ethiopia.

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Department of Africology and African American Studies

Eastern Michigan University

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