The Amalek hate speech shouldbe noted, too. I recall circulating dozensof such from the great, great book,once upon a time.
To be fair to Pa Biden, though, he did saythat Israel's actions were "over thetop"- the new phrase for genocide!
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Dear Ken,
That was a powerful Parthian shot, the mention of The Rwanda Genocide in which within 100 days, 800,000 Tutsis were slaughtered. With the arrival of the machetes imported from France, the hate speech inciters of genocide preached,
"The machetes
are to cut down
the forests and
the Tutsis are
the trees"...
Yesterday is gone and past, today, Ishmael Reed's poignant question applies not to Ma and Pa Clinton Flogging Uppity Black Man but to that heart made of stone, tone and stone deaf to the pleas for a ceasefire in Gaza but still shuffling on, bumbling and fumbling on as Old Joe, the 46th president of the United States, and in the case of what's going on in Gaza the question applies equally to his dear wife Jill: Re - his predecessor, slick willy," I did not have sex with that woman" Bill Clinton: " He refused to intervene to rescue thousands of Rwandans from genocide. (Did Mrs Clinton tearfully beseech her husband to intervene on behalf of her African sisters"
More questions for Joseph Biden 👍
"And how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, and how many deaths will it take 'til he knows
That too many people have died?"
In the history of genocides - ever since the world began, maybe, because of the epic, industrial scale scale of the wanton destruction, some people don't like The Holocaust // The Shoah being compared to or compared with other genocides, that to compare is to trivialise or diminish the one or the other; true too, "to write poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric and in some people's view, killing in the name of God is even more reprehensible and more barbaric than writing poetry after Auschwitz. Equally reprehensible: I just started watching the BBC documentary The Darkest Day in Israel which begins on the Sabbath morning of Saturday the 7th of October, 2023, with some miscreants cutting through the Gaza border into Israel and shouting their war cry, "Allahu Akbar !" as they set off on their killing spree.
I asked Professor Google ( World Encyclopedia, Besserwisser, Professional Fellow of the Institute Of Information Management, MIT Chief Data Officer etc ), " How many wars are going on right now ?"
The first tier of her reply is as follows:
1. There Are at Least 32 Live Conflicts Right Now. According to the Council on Foreign Relations's Global Conflict Tracker, there are currently 32 ongoing conflicts worldwide. The tracker categorizes conflict into three groups: "worsening," "unchanging," and "improving."
From that very first murder recorded in the Holy Bible, right through to the ongoing wars of slaughter, destruction and annihilation, one is left wondering about the threshold of pain generated by the kinds of body count that any nation can bear, when there's the general understanding that, "to kill one person is like killing all mankind"
At a later date because of people like the author of the piece " We were all lied to" this kind of apologia will appear as the new headline: We were all lied to. Unfortunately, we did not see any of the bloody al-Jazeera footage; Israeli TV did not show the extent of the death and destruction that was visited on our Palestinian brothers and sisters, the people of Gaza."
At that later date, the revisionists, apologists, IDF rabbis, dimwits and nitwits in defence of their fits of murderous zeal may be saying, "God told me to do it"
In my view, genocide is still genocide, whether it's dedicated to Moloch, Mars, Yahweh, or any of the other "Gods of War"...
I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean :
" But you know
The darkest hour
Is always, always just before the dawn"
--On Friday 9 February 2024 at 23:37:57 UTC+1 Harrow, Kenneth wrote:
Cornelius is right about american free speech. We do have limits: you can't use speech to defame or harm an individual, as trump has found out to his cost ($83 million) in the suit brought by the courageous jean carroll. But the other public speech acts are legal, unless you can somehow prove harm resulted.I agree with the europeans in their limits to hate speech; i do believe it causes harm, and we shouldn't have to wait till the harmis done before trying to limit it.For me the example of hate speech used in the rwandan genocide is an irrefutable example.Ken
Kenneth HarrowEmeritus Professor of English, Michigan State UniversityHarrow@msu/edu
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The latest: al Jazeera
I agree with you in principle that we should take it all in and check it all out
However, even if you and Ken live in the Mighty United States, the First Amendment notwithstanding, the kind of freedom you want us to espouse in our corner of the cosmos known as cyberspace is not available there, because over there, there are laws against hate speech, there are laws against holocaust denial and laws against antisemitism for the protection of the relevant, threatened human species. So where does that leave the full range of your "spectrum of opinion" when the genocidal passages in the Hebrew Bible are given free rein, but not Hitler's Mein Kampf, Satanyahu & his Zionist crew can whip up a frenzy of national zeal by referring to the Divine Command given in the Hebrew Bible to wipe Amalek off the surface of the earth? According to the holy book of God's chosen people - Amalek - the enemy of God's chosen people - arises in every generation and wherever this Amalek arises, Amalek must be wiped off the surface of the earth and even if that is a command from the Father of Jesus Christ, is that not a call to genocide?
Take it all in and check it all out
--On Friday 9 February 2024 at 08:33:55 UTC+1 Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote:
Thanks Ken and Cornelius.
Is this were WWII, would I share Nazi propaganda as I am now sharing what may be described as Israeli propaganda?
Im likely to, as long as I also share anti -Nazi information.
In relation to slavery and Jim Crow in the US, would I share anti-Black views?
Yes, as long as I also share opposing views.
The Gaza war, like those other conflicts, is both ideological and material.
At the heart of Israel's approach is the view that only overwhelming force can ensure security for itself, a view shaken to its foundations by Oct 7, a view deligitimizing a fundamental strain in Israeli self perception, and which its army and govt are doing everything to reassert, as they punish the humiliation of Oct 7, reasserting itself as a superior brand of humanity to the Palestinians, a stance Western powers fully understand, being a drive behind their own colonial abd neo-colonial orientations.
If the Ideological orientation of Israel changes, the equation would change.
Netanyahu could have responded to Oct 7 by a declaration that Israel has the power to make Gaza and its Inhabitants disappear from the face of the earth in retaliation but Israel would not do so, being a heir to anti -Jewish pogroms and dehumanizations culminating in the Holocaust.
He could have asserted that, heinous as Oct 7 was, it represented a need to rethink the relationship between asymmetries of power in relations between peoples, in which even the ant crushed beneath one's toes may yet extract a dying bite at those toes.
He could then have called for negotiations in the spirit of turning one's back on almost a century of bloodshed.
Underlining the fantastical and yet realistic view represented by that scenario, is Israel's announced intention of invading Rafah, perhaps the last place in Gaza its yet to pulverize and where surviving Palestinians are crouched in the most abject conditions, with Netanyahu vowing absolute victory, represented by the confirmed killing of the Hamas leadership in Gaza, the cessation of all combat resistance, the total control of Gaza by Israel and, though not explicitly stated, the expulsion of as many Palestinians as possible.
Can Netanyahu's significance in Israeli history afford his ending the war without achieving of these goals?
Would not achieving those goals not negate the trust of his political career and central logics of Israeli existence as crafted by the ""might is security"" doctrine?
Would it not suggest the futility of Israel's response to Oct 7, as Hamas remains in a position to negotiate even after months of bombardment, continuing to hold hostages throughout this epic assault on Gaza?
All these are issues of interpretation of social realities, interpretations often shaped by ideological orientations.
If pro-Israel and Pro-Palestinian views are not engaged with, how can they be adequately understood and analysed, engagements ultimately shaping developments in the material theatre of war?
Thanks
Toyin
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024, 1:22 AM Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
--If anything, i find friend oluwatoyin airs plenty of heavy criticism of israel, with which i generally agree. I agreed pretty much completely with the chomsky comments. However, we can't really paint the whole picture of the present israeli overreaction without keeping in mind that to which they reacted.
It is hard to find historical equivalents to this: the israelis, as chomsky said, have all the power and force, and are commiting war crimes in their use. The hamas use of hostages, after its slaughtering of civilians, invited this response knowing the israeli force and mentality. We could go into the deeper history,but that would repeat everything said a thousand times so far.We need a ceasefire, absolutely, unconditionally. Instead israel and hamas put up conditions knowing the other side won't agree. What's that about?????
War invites war and anti-human actions; power pass power as saro-wiwa said. Biafra all over again; darfur all over again; many other examples of similar unequal forces slaughtering the innocent.
Cornelius would have a quote making us question what is wrong with us, to which i have alas no answer.And olawutoyin a spiritual turn of phrase, with the same results. Rounding up on 30,000 palestinians caught in the crossfire of warmongerers.
Here in the states, there is plenty of pressure on biden to pressure netanyahu to mitigate the damage. But ishe listening? Are israelis aware of the damage they have done to innocent people, and to their own standing?Ken
Kenneth HarrowEmeritus Professor of English, Michigan State UniversityHarrow@msu/edu
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I try to share information from different bands on the spectrum of opinion on the conflict.
Toyin
--On Wed, Feb 7, 2024, 11:02 AM Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
--This Is going to make for dreary reading.
Re - "We all were lied to: Gaza was a modern, developed city before October 7 - opinion" posted by Adepoju)
There's this holy promise usually uttered by the pious and the not-so-pious:
"If I forget you, Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill. May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy" ( Tehillim/ Psalm 137:5-6)
Clarification: Not that I'm about to join this most distinct and distinguished three: the not-so-holy and glorious trinity of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad, but in what some godforsaken people think is the department of lost causes, I'm with the underdog and on the side of Human Rights and dignity, a just peace, and justice for the Palestinian People.
Tony Adepoju, here's Remarks by Tim Lenderking followed by The Houthis' Red Sea Strategy Panel
Even writing this is time-consuming. It would take a full-time, round-the-clock job for several would-be respondents to be responding to so many of the diatribes and the misleading, ofttimes evil Israeli propaganda and apologias that Toyin Adepoju deems fit to be splashing around here in this forum. What for?
From Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention - We're only in it for the money
"What's there to live for?
And who reads The Jerusalem Post?
Well, I did, along with Arutz Sheva - Israel National News on a daily basis, sans the Sabbath when they shut down for holy holidays, as per the 4th of God's 10 Commandments which is," Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy", although these days, on the past so many Sabbaths of the last 120 Days, the IDF have been busy with their unholy bombing, visiting violent death and destruction on the poor Palestinians in Gaza, and they have also been busy on the Sabbath, doing their unholy work of visiting death (murder) and destruction on the poor Palestinians in the refugee camps of the West Bank
Yes, I used to read the JP and Aritz Sheva on a weekly, monthly, and yearly basis, from circa mid-1995 but stopped reading the Israeli media shortly after the 7th of October 2023, as a preventive measure - for balance and in this crazy world of tears, to maintain some sanity because if indeed as we all know, "in war, truth is the first casualty" then I didn't and I still don't want to be swamped, overwhelmed, drowned in their ad misericordiams and forever bogged down by the buggers still issuing their tissues of lies - their juicy, big fat lies, weak little lies, blue and black lies, white lies, subtle lies, progressive "holy" bullshit lies and all the subterfuge that should be well known to be nothing less than sinful Israeli War Propaganda.
And this is what I get in return for my non-compliance with their evil propaganda: for the past couple of days I have been unable to unmute my microphone on WhatsApp, my Bank ID no longer works and I can't open the camera on my cellphone, because, so it says, "security policy prevents use of camera". Of course, I know exactly who is behind all this, it's that mendacious, over-dimensionalised, semi-illiterate hypocrite Menachem who uses AI to communicate, because he can't release the brakes in his head. Yes, I know how wonderful and how powerful he believes that he is, as the secret deputy commander-in-chief of the c7ber section of Mossad and all that, and that it was his father that killed the Dead Sea where all of Israel's multibillion-dollar cosmetic minerals are buried, and at worst his genocidal, over-dimensionalised itinerant vagabond self would like to kill me and all the good people of Gaza - which he thinks that he is at liberty to do, that he is divinely sanctioned and it's halal and kosher for him to do, and should the All-Mighty retaliate - as the Almighty can - for him and his associates & accomplices entertaining such murderous thoughts, Mister Menachem himself will only start crying that it's Ashkenazi discrimination and start singing as he often does, " Why does it happen to me? " and " What did I do to be so black and blue?" before he himself is completely wiped off the surface of this earth, to join his alleged Yemenite and Ethiopian ancestors.
As the Almighty complained, according to Yeshayahu (Isaiah) the prophet, in Yeshayahu (Isaiah) - Chapter 1, "An ox knows his owner and a donkey his master's crib; Israel does not know, my people do not consider."
Here's some holy rhetoric and polemic from the prophetic Holy Quran, fast forward, pointing at the likes of his boss, Bani Israel's infamous Benjamin Netanyahu:
"Is he then unaware that Allah seeth?
Nay, but if he cease not We will seize him by the forelock -
The lying, sinful forelock -
Then let him call upon his henchmen!
We will call the guards of hell." ( The Quran : Surah 96 : al-`Alaq: The Clot , ayat 14-18)
Question; Who reads the JP and friend Ted Belman's rightwing Israpundit?
I'd say, mostly the already converted, some of the curious, and many of the unabashed purveyors of Likudism - Likud ideology, i.e. the majority of the fanatics supporting Netanyahu's thirty-seventh government of Israel
The Jerusalem Post is to a great extent a mouthpiece of Brer Netanyahu's Likud and other rightwing conservative forces in Israeli culture - and politics, and before Senor (almost wrote Senator) Netanyahu's longest-lasting leadership, the JP was a mouthpiece for his conservative Likud predecessors and their politics, birds of very much the same feather (almost wrote birds of very much the same father - the alleged father of "the children of God'' - the "our father which art in Heaven", and the children in question no other than Ze'ev Jabotinsky, a revisionist zionist ideologue - and verily, revisionist Zionism is the not too hidden roots of Likudism, followed by mealy-mouthed Menachem Begin ( you know him) in turn followed by Yitzhak Shamir who, in June 1991 in Alexandria, Egypt, during a heated conversation my Psychiatric Doctor friend ( PHD Psychiatry) in a fit of animosity demanded that I bring Shamir to him immediately! Why? Still frothing at his mouth he told me," I want to eat his liver - that dwarf "
And Shamir passed the baton on to Yitzhak Rabin. I remember that the day he was assassinated, I didn't know about it until a few minutes later when an American Muslim friend phoned to tell me, " Your friend has been shot". I thought he was referring to our Ghanaian friend Ishaq, whom he had fallen out with and whom he always referred to as "Your friend". I was devastated. " Was he hurt?", I asked. " Put on your TV Motherfakker ", he shouted. Does he hate Ishaq this much? I was on the brink of tears. I switched on CNN. Yitzhak had been shot at close range by an Israeli.
After Rabin the baton was passed on to warrior Ariel Sharon, fondly nicknamed " The Bulldozer" by his adoring settlers, because he used to bulldoze Palestinian homes to rubble - in the West Bank. I remember him, in January 2014, commanding his followers to grab the hills : "Everyone there should move, should run, should grab more hills, expand the territory. Everything that's grabbed will be in our hands!" he bellowed, and of course it was Sharon, the archdeacon / archdemon of provocation that marched with his military entourage and bodyguards, all the way up to the Temple Mount to more or less declare divine sovereignty over the al-Aqsa Mosque… but a lot earlier circa August 16, 2005, he had been praised by some of his enemies when he unilaterally pulled all the settlers out of Gaza - lock, stock, and barrel, at which point they smashed all the Jewish settler homes that they were going to leave behind, so that Palestinians could not move into homes and houses that previously had their talismanic mezuzahs installed in their doorways ,the same settlers who used to use ten times more water than the Palestinians in Gaza, just to water their gardens….and Sharon has been followed by the mother of all Prime Ministerial corruption who knows that the day after this genocidal operation in Gaza is over, he's going to go on trial and lose his job as prime minister, forever. And hopefully, before or after that he will be facing the music for other crimes against humanity. In the meanwhile, they are busy implementing Meir Kahane's Our Challenge, to a tee.
"But now, having experienced it myself, I can confidently tell you that we were lied to." - The "it" - refers to the former besieged open-air prison known as the bombed-out Gaza City, according to Roi Yankovsky - Roi Yankovsky the former IDF invader of the peace and quiet in Gaza, not Roy Welensky, the former Jewish Prime Minister and heavyweight boxing champion of the then Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, now known as Zambia and Malawi, and not Vladimir Zelensky, the current President of the war-torn Ukraine, but Roi Yankovsky, the reservist who returned home from Gaza, happily unscathed, "after serving 100 days in the IDF."
" They (Hamas) believe the IDF is a moral army." (says Roi Yankovsky the believer )
This too is reprehensible, coming from him:
"Pre-war Gaza was a modern, beautiful, developed city – with large, furnished houses, wide avenues, public areas, a promenade, and parks. It looked much better than any other Arab city "from the river to the sea." Gaza City reminds me more of Tel Aviv than the awful slums that some people try to make it out to be.
And, of course, Gaza is far from being the "most densely populated area in the world."
If this is how a city looks after two decades of "siege," then I want to be sieged. The houses in Gaza were full of goods and food from across the Middle East, the houses had modern furniture, appliances, and pretty much any up-to-date consumer product and electronics you can imagine."( According to Roi Yanovsky)
And now, out of envy, and hatred, all that beauty has been deliberately destroyed by the malevolent IDF.
I showed my son Nathan the article when he and my grandson Malcolm dropped by for dinner this evening -Malcolm for some lessons in Spanish, and he made the point that "The Provisional IRA, ETA, Sendero Luminoso, al-Qaida, The Taliban and so forth were not " dismantled" the way that Netanyahu and his war cabinet have vowed to do."
To quote him more extensively, re - Roi Yankovsky saying that "Gaza City reminds me more of Tel Aviv than the awful slums that some people try to make it out to be. "
"Roi Yanovsky is welcome to mention ten geographic areas in the world (not cities) that are more densely populated than Gaza. His claim that it isn't one of the most densely populated areas is simply demonstrably false. If Gaza reminds him of Tel Aviv, would he like Tel Aviv to be subjected to the same indiscriminate bombardment if terrorists hid in the city?
Why would he have us believe him when more journalists have been killed in Gaza since October 7th than were killed in the whole Vietnam War, more than during all of World War 2? If his claims were believable, the IDF would have welcomed independent journalists into Gaza. But they haven't, to the contrary they have consciously executed many with targeted killings. He sincerely wants us to put more trust in the military part in a conflict than in international relief organisations. It's laughable.
Yanovsky's line of argument is based on the assumption that there is a finite number of terrorists, and defeating them is just a question of decimating their numbers thoroughly. But this is a thoroughly political conflict with political roots, and the political problems aren't solved through eradicating members of a group whilst simultaneously killing off many times more innocent civilians. On the contrary; the indiscriminate killing works as a recruitment agent to the said enemy group. Hamas had the support of 24 percent of Gazans in the poll conducted by Arab Barometer the week before October 7th. That support has by all accounts skyrocketed since then. Support for Hamas is probably stronger even than when Israel withdrew from Gaza, precisely because Hamas is so adamant in its opposition to Israel. Yanovsky goes down the body-count-as-measurement-of-military-success that dragged The US Armed Forces into the quagmire that was The Vietnam War, where units that committed war crimes against civilians marked up casualties as enemies to cover up their mistakes and crimes, just to steer further and further away from anything vaguely resembling achieving their stated goals on the ground. Hamas leadership is mostly in exile in Qatar, Iran, Lebanon and Turkey, and they definitely have a larger base to recruit volunteers from now than before October. So far, the only hostages released have been freed as a result of negotiations, not through military action. Yanovsky, get back to the drawing board."
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