Tuesday, May 20, 2025

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Did the West Engineer the Fall of Gaddafi?

People's Planet

Stockholm

20th May , 2025 


Dear Fela Aníkúlápó Kuti has said it all here in one word "Zombie"


"Zombie no go go, unless you tell am to go (zombie)

Zombie no go stop, unless you tell am to stop (zombie)

Zombie no go turn, unless you tell am to turn (zombie)

Zombie no go think, unless you tell am to think (zombie)"


Cash is king ? 


With Artificial Intelligence on the horizon 

and with "man the measure of all things"

either in your cradle or in our grave

sooner or later

we will all have to believe

Knowledge

is king & queen

Cornelius & Cleopatra 

Dr Oohay & Chidi the opera singer

the genie and the other thing

according to 1 Corinthians 13

we shall have to believe

that thought has no race

is not racial

is humble

has not fame or shame 

and that knowledge

even epistemology has wings 

has many colours

rejoices with the truth

just ask Ojogbon 

at least, that's the residual impression

that I got a few decades ago after reading 

"In My Father's House" by Kwame Anthony Appiah

and discussing some of that grey matter over tea &

biscuits with one Bedu Annan.


Professor Victor Okafor's prescriptive mentality,

His awesome mission to the House Negroes and Uncle Toms of Africa, 

is much appreciated, just as Professor Griff and Jeru the Damaja also rapped,

 "Sent to earth to educate the fool"


Dr. Bedford Nwabueze Umez expended a lot of mental energy on  "the African Mind  and Inferiority complex" trying to de-programme and get a lot of the errant children of Africa to reset,  unpack and un-learn a lot of the baggage they are carrying, mostly unwittingly foisted upon them by their education/miseducation. True to the African oral tradition and with a little help from modern technology, here was Dr. Beford Umez in person - (Just imagine if back in the day we had had the blessings of modern technology, then non-stop Pastor Adeboye and his flock would have been watching, in living colour, the recorded history of Jesus preaching his "Sermon on the Mount", Jesus performing miracles , Jesus walking on water, Jesus breaking bread and drinking wine at the Last Supper,  Jesus crucified, his death, burial, resurrection and glorious ascension - and then the faithful wouldn't have to believe because they would know what they had seen with their own eyes and heard with their own ears and confirmed in their own hearts. 



Ghanaians who lived in Libya for many years have told me about the universal problem of racism which they encountered there, during the Gaddafi era 


Since the demise of Gaddafi, racism towards Black Africans has become a lot worse


I asked some of the Ghanaian Brethren , "But you are Muslims?" 


They replied, " It doesn't matter, to them, once you're Black. Even the Black Libyan Muslims discriminate against their Ghanaian Muslim Brothers."


No wonder Jerry Rawlings chartered a plane to bring them back home to Ghana ,the Black Star Nation.


Fast forward :  Libya: Slave Market. Black Africans auctioned as slaves

 

What was the Pan-African reaction? 

Was there any ACTION?

Was there lots of Academic babble about REPARATIONS ?


I asked my Ghanaian Muslim Brethren who were formerly guests in Libya, well what do you have to say about those on the other side, in Benghazi? They answered uniformly, " Those guys are all really Egyptians! They're from Egypt. End of story.


Have to start thinking African , yes. Like Dr O.


But some of these great thinkers, are they not already compromised by language? 

Isn't Ojogbon's oeuvre mostly in English? 

In that respect how is he different from 

You and me ,and how are we different from

the snake oil salesman Trump

and Big Grammar Kperogi

and Chief Chicken Feathers 

like Napoleon in rags 

defecating and self-celebrating 

as the purveyor of shit poetry ?


Ignoramus would like to know  



On Monday, 19 May 2025 at 20:06:22 UTC+2 Victor Okafor wrote:
One of the pitfalls of African scholarship, historically and contemporaneously, is how erudite some of us can be when it comes to echoing the narrative of the Oppressor, which, of course, makes us sound scholarly to the ears of the oppressor. Too many of us are caught in the trap of Eurocentric lenses for not only viewing ourselves and our possibilities but also for viewing world affairs. In respect of African descendants, in his classic The Souls of Black Folk, W.E.B. DuBois framed this phenomenon as a case of double-consciousness: "a peculiar sensation, ... this sense of always looking at one's self through the eyes of the others, of measuring one's soul by the tape of a world that looks on in bemused contempt and pity." For the continental African, I submit that we too suffer from a subconscious double-consciousness arising from our legacy of colonialism, which, as you know, sought to remake Africa in the image of Europe. How many of the universities in Africa are still steeped in this Eurocentric epistemological framework in the social sciences and the humanities? But did the colonial project reproduce Europe or a caricature of it? To transcend that subconscious double-consciousness, we must recognize, confront, and methodically replace it with African-centered consciousness. It is a process; it does not happen overnight by mere wishful thinking. But we have to be humble enough to acknowledge that it exists.

On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 12:06 AM Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,


Concerning the murder of Colonel Gaddafi, indeed, sitting in relative safety over there in Nigeria or at Cambridge, in Merry England, or wherever it was that you were at those moments, it is understandable and no surprise at all, that you may as you say ." recall things differently"


I also listened live and direct to Saif Al-Islam broadcast to the rebels at Benghazi on the evening of  20th February 2011 on Al Jazeera


I continued to follow the news as  - with Hillary Clinton in the saddle NATO swung into force overnight, to declare a no-fly zone over Libya… on that fateful night…


On Thursday, 15 May 2025 at 19:05:39 UTC+2 Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote:
I keep coming across claims that the West engineered the fall of Libya's Gaddafi but I recall things differently.

My own memory is that Gaddafi was a victim of his own stubbornness in his determination to spend his life as a dictator in Libya.

The Arab Spring was brewing, ignited by the self immolation of Muhammad Boazizi in Algeria over govt oppression.

Mubarak in Egypt tried to use the army against protesters.

The army eventually refused. Mubarak stepped down.

One or two other Arab/North African leaders did the same thing.

Saudi Arabia responded by bribing its own people with cash gifts to forestall demonstrations possibly demanding democratic rule and it worked.

The demonstrations reached Libya.

The demonstrators wanted a democratic govt.

Gaddafi had spent decades on the throne and seemed set to create a dynastic succession. 

He fought the demonstrators and civil war broke out.

There was no evidence of Western involvement to the best of my knowledge.

The West became involved when the tide turned against the rebels and Gaddafi was matching towards their last stronghold when the West struck, leading Gaddafi to take refuge in a safe house, from where he tried to escape upon which a Western fighter plane took out the vehicle he was escaping in upon which the Libyan rebels set upon him.

I see Gaddafi as incorrectly reading the tides of history against his own interests and that of his country.

Thanks 
Toyin 

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Sincerely,

Victor O. Okafor, Ph.D.
Professor and Head
Department of Africology and African American Studies
Eastern Michigan University
Food for Thought

"I myself do not judge a man [or a woman] by  the color of his [or her] skin. The yardstick that I use to judge a man [or a woman] is his [ or her] deeds, his [her] behavior,  and his [or her] intentions." -- Malcolm X.



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