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Please did “U” YOURSELF create any of the “HARD" or “‘SOFT” wares that continue to enable you to interact (effectively) with others?

Oohay

On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:02 PM, msjoe21st via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

A good insight!

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Concerning the racial attacks on Harry/Meghan in the 'United Queendom of Britain,' Chidi Anthony Opara admonished Biko, "Think of the very idea of blue blood and red blood, royalty and commoner." It is not the belief that the blood of the King/Queen is blue while the blood of the masses is red that is contentious as Kojo queried, "Who seriously believes that the Queen of England is God's rep on earth or *defender of the faith*? and which faith?" To begin with, the idea of royal blood being blue is a myth just as the assertion that the King/Queen of England is God's representative on earth. The two myths were disproved on January 30, 1649, when King Charles 1 was decapitated for treason having proclaimed define rights of ruling and himself as representative of God on earth. On that fateful 30 January 1649, the leader of the Parliament and who was a general during the civil war, Oliver Cromwell, soaked white glove he wore on his right hand with the blood of the decapitated King Charles 1. Appearing on the balcony of Westminster, Oliver raised his right hand with the blood-soaked glove and told the crowd, 'Look at my hand, this is the blood of the King, it is not blue, it is red just like yours and mine.' The British crowd cheered Oliver Cromwell. Since then, no King/Queen of England ever claimed blue blood and absolute divine rights of ruling. James II who attempted to re-introduce the absolute divine rights of ruling was chased out of the throne into exile in Spain.

Justifying why there should be monarchy (royal institution), Dr Oohay postulates that, "All humans are DIFFERENTLY equal. Ironically no one wants to be equal to anyone below him or her. Treating all (regardless of their differences) as equals will result in more inequalities." Of course, all humans are differently equal but differences in equality is what leads to interdependency between humans.Exemplifying why humans are not equal we have been told that Professor Falola is not equal to his students, even when we know, practically, that Falola must depend on his students in order to be a professor. Likewise, his students must depend on him in order to learn. Talent is useless, in the absence of a place to display it. Besides that, is a professor of English equal to a, professor of chemistry, physics, bio-chemistry, pharmacology, medicine, etc? Is a medical doctor superior to a farmer even when the MD is dependent on the food produced by the farmer to live much as the farmer depends on the MD for treatment when sick? Generally, whenever exploiters want the exploited folks to accept their exploitations as something natural and not man-made, they say, fingers are not equal. While it is visually and physically true that the five fingers on each human hand are not equal in length, yet, each finger has its specific role to play in holding or gripping objects. Thus, if a finger is missing in a hand, the gripping ability of that hand is reduced and the person with four fingers is said to be handicapped. In reality, all the five fingers on a human hand depend on one another in order to attain normal function and since each of the five fingers plays different roles in holding and gripping objects, no finger, despite differences in lengths, is superior to the other. Fingers are interdependent and, since the function of a finger cannot be appropriated by any of the other fingers on a hand, it will make sense to say that no finger is superior to the other and all fingers are equal to one another. Inequality amongst man kinds is manmade and not natural. In nature, human beings are inter-dependent but, unfortunately, the dominating European world has replaced interdependency with the law of the jungle, known as the survival of the fittest which they gave a scientific name, Eugenics or Racial Biology. Through the doctrine of the survival of the fittest, the European world overrated the value of dependency of other races on them while underrating the value of their own dependency on other races of mankind. Oliver C. Cox observed the phenomenon thus, "Race prejudice, ... is a social attitude propagated among the public by an exploiting class for the purpose of stigmatizing some group as inferior so that the exploitation of either the group itself or its resources or both may be justified." (p.393, Caste, Class & Race)

Europeans and their extensions worldwide have constructed racial pyramid on which they place themselves at the top and putting anthropological Africans (the Blacks) at the bottom. In that racial pyramid, the pale-skinned Europeans ascribed to themselves the colour, white, while the dark-skinned Africans and their kith world over are ascribed with the colour, black. In their racial world a child parented by a *white person and a black person* is called MULATTO. The offspring of a MULATTO and a white person is called a QUADROON, indicating that the child contains one-quarter of black (Negro) blood. A child between a QUADROON and a white person is called an OCTROON to indicate that the child contains one-eight of black (Negro) blood. Harry was not only born royal, he is white while Meghan Markle, his wife, is a Mulatto and thereby, a child parented by them, according to praxis, would be a QUADROON, that is to say child containing one-quarter of black blood in the British Royal Family. When members of the Royal family asked Harry and Meghan about how black would the colour of their yet to be born child would be, the question was diplomatically framed to demand that the marriage or the pregnancy should be terminated. Having refused to break the marriage and terminate the pregnancy, Harry suspected that history, as it happened with his mother, Diana, might repeat itself on his wife and his son, if not himself too. The United Queendom of Britain and the Royal Family regard Meghan, a Mulatto, and her son, a Quadroon, fathered by Prince Harry, as unforgivable contamination/pollution of the British Royal Blood. Therefore, Prince Harry declared his independence from British racism and fled Britain with his beloved wife and son, Archie, who the British people say his blood is not, at all, red or blue like theirs but dark. Olayinka Agbetuyi in a recent post on this forum said the senior brother of Prince Harry was asked at a London School, "Is the Royal Family a racist family, Sir?" Prince William replied, *We're very much not a racist family.* Of course the question was intentionally framed to allow Prince William to give a simple answer of denial. The right question which should have been posed to Prince William is, "Has the Royal Family or anybody in the Royal family expressed fear over how black the yet to be born child of Prince Harry and Meghan would be?" So far, no one in the Royal Family has denied Prince Harry and Meghan Markel's information that the Royal Family, not Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, had worried about the colour of the skin of their yet to be born child, which inevitably is a racist worry.

While Harry and Meghan scampered for safety from the racist attacks they were subjected to within the Royal Family, and the British public in general, diversionists are trying to convert the victims of Royal racism to hypersensitive complainants. Of Meghan, they accuse her of being an American feminist ideologue with the intention to change many centuries old British Royal traditions which the Royal Family resisted. However, professional word twisters and truth benders failed to tell the world which of the traditions of the British Royal Family, Meghan had attempted to change. Obviously, the only tradition broken by Meghan was that she is the first, Black and White, racially mixed woman in history to get married into the British Royal Family. Besides, British Royal marriages are nothing to be proud of if one combs through history, recent or old. Following the disclosure of John Profumo's scandal in 1963 concerning perverted sexual practices by some high-ranking British elites in which teenage girls, namely Chistine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davies, were involved, The Daily Mirror of 24 June 1963, had this front-page headline : PRINCE PHILIP AND THE PROFUMO SCANDAL. Prince Philip, the husband of Queen Elizabeth, was said to have participated in the perverted sex orgies in which he was naked and wore black mask over his head with slits for eye-holes. Prince Charles, the first child of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip was married to Princess Diana who within the marriage gave birth to two Princes, William and Harry. Speaking about her marriage with Prince Charles in a 1995 BBC interview, Princess Diana disclosed, "There are three of us in this marriage so, it is a bit crowded." Diana named one Camilla Parker Bowles, married, since 1973, to Andrew Parker Bowles and blessed with two children, Laura and Tom Parker, as the lover of Prince Charles. It became public that Prince Charles and Camilla have been having sexual affairs since 1986 when both were officially married in their respective homes. The Royal Family directed their anger against Diana for exposing British Royalty to public ridicule, instead of pulling the ears of Prince Charles for perpetrating marriage fraud on his wife. The second child of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip is Princess Anne, the junior sister to Prince Charles. At the beginning of 1970's it was a public knowledge that Andrew Parker Bowles was the boyfriend of Princess Anne. Somehow, Andrew Parker Bowles dumped Princess Anne to marry nee Camilla Rosemary Shand who became Mrs. Camilla Parker Bowles in 1973. Following the disclosure of Princess Diana in the BBC interview of 1995 that Camilla Parker Bowles was a hooker to Prince Charles, the marriage between Andrew Parker Bowles and Camilla was dissolved in 1995. Marriage between Prince Charles and Diana was dissolved the following year. Nine years after the dissolution of the marriage between Princess Diana and Prince Charles and the death of the former, Prince Charles officially got married to Camilla Parker Bowles on 9 April 2005. Just think of it, Andrew Parker Bowles, the former boyfriend of Princess Anne, got his wife Camilla seduced by Prince Charles, the brother of Princess Anne!! Princess Anne herself, got married to Mark Phillips in 1973 and the marriage was blessed with two children who are known today as Peter Phillips and Zara (Phillips) Tindall. Their marriage was dissolved in 1984 when it was discovered that Mark Phillips had a child with another woman while still married with Princess Anne. In 1992, Princess Anne married again to Vice Admiral Timothy Laurence. The same year that Prince Charles was having extra-marital affairs with Camilla Parker Bowles in 1986, his younger brother, Prince Andrew, got married to Sarah Ferguson, nicknamed Fergie. Prince Andrew and Fergie have two children, Beatrice and Eugenie. In 1992, Sarah Ferguson was photographed in St. Tropez, showing how her financial adviser, John Byan, was sucking her toes at a beach. That led to her immediate separation from Prince Andrew and the marriage between Andrew and Ferguson was finally dissolved in 1996, the same year his senior brother, Prince Charles, got divorced from Princess Diana.  Recently, Prince Andrew was relegated by the Royal Family because of his association with the American sexual predator, Jeffrey Epstein, who was convicted in 2010. In 2019, he committed suicide in protective custody while awaiting trial for trafficking in female minors in a widespread sexual scandal. Prince Andrew's acquaintance with Jeffery Epstein began in 1999 and continued after the latter had served prison sentence for sexual offence in New York in 2010. Traditionally, there is nothing special with the British Royal Family that cannot be found in the British society as a whole and, indeed, in other European world with, or without, monarchy.

Blindfolding self from the racists attack on Meghan Markle, some Africans veered off to equate African Monarchies with the British Monarchy. The blue blood hypothesis of Kings in Europe and particularly in Britain, arose out of the belief or myth that Kings are created differently and special to rule over their subjects. In Nigeria during the feudal and agrarian era, for an example, the selection of a King (Oba in Yorubaland) was based on merit and not possession of blue blood. A brave person who led his people to repel attacks on the community was automatically crowned a King. A person who could provide what the community required automatically became a King. The Kings of those days, defended/led their communities in wars, agriculture and hunting. That explains why the Yoruba do not have only a King, as in Britain, but many Kings. Although Britain made use of the Kings (Oba) to establish colonialism, Nigerian Obas were not recognised as Kings by the British, rather the Obas were titled and addressed as Chiefs. That was why, for example, the 1958 Constitution provided for House of Chiefs and not House of Kings. In the advent of slave trade and colonialism, the monarchs in Nigeria (Africa) outlived their usefulness. The mere fact that the States' government can remove or install a king at will testifies to the contradiction and uselessness of Monarchs in the present-day Republic of Nigeria.

S. Kadiri



From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com>
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There is nothing stopping Falola becoming Olubadan if he waits till he becomes one of the top ranking chiefs

and is selected by the king makers just as the Faculty selects their Chair.

The Olúbàdàn is selected by progression and Prof Falola who is an Ìbàdàn chief on the path of progression can enlighten us more on that. The committee of chiefs definitely take achievement from all walks of life into consideration ( as my former landlord Chief Kola Daisi an industrial magnate rose to become the Başòrun, one of the highest ranking chiefs.) As I said the progression starts from Mágàjí agbo ilé ( local compound or ward heads.)

We havent had a female American President in 200 years. There is no law against it and there is nothing stopping the next American President being a lady.

Even the anachronistic British had two female Prime Ministers twice, with both of them serving with a female Head of State. The highest commands of governance were headed by two females at the same time, twice. So this is why the feminist angle does not jell too strong in the UK. Who is more modern in political dispensations and more female conscious in political dispensation then: the UK or the US?

In the US when selecting to chose between a male leader and female leader, females are often at the forefront of choosing a male leader.

There are town and cities in Yoruba land where the monarch comes from extended families ( never one, so there is a choice negotiated by king makers and Ifa priests. More like American electoral college system before it was invented in America) This was why I said the monarchical institution is not one hat fits all; not in Yoruba land let alone across the world.

Revolutionary stirrings occurred in France when they discovered that the monarchical institution was different in character in the United Kingdom as political theorist Montesquieu put it and gave non royals more rights than in France and was preferred to theirs.

OAA

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Date: 10/03/2021 01:16 (GMT+00:00)

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OLAYINKA,

Good for you for being a royalty, but your royalty is inherited like almost all monarchical royalties.

Does everyone (male or female) of Ibadan parentage have equal right to be Olubadan maybe through achievements or other qualifications? If Olubadan comes from a select “extended” family, then it is inherited.

My understanding is that women cannot become Olubadan. If that is correct, we have discounted more than 50% of the population from ever becoming Olubadan regardless of their qualifications. Please note that in most societies women account for slightly more than 50% of the population.

Prof. Falola earned his station in life by his hard work, creativity and generosity. If the position of Olubadan was open to the most qualified, he may very well be one today—not that he would want to.

I agree with Kojo. The institution of Monarchy is anachronistic in modern world. Heck, India got rid of their monarchs—some of which had been around for more than 1,500 years. Nigeria should or at least, the so called monarchs should not have legal recognition.

In reality all we want is equality under the law. Each of us have some advantages and disadvantages. If you are born blind or become blind at childhood, you are starting out at a disadvantage, but you could still aspire and work to be a “Ray Charles”. But if you are born in Ibadan as the most intelligent, hardest working, most generous and most successful person, unless you are from the right family, you will never become the Olubadan of Ibadan. There is something not right about that in modern times.

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Gozie:

You would be vindicated if the abolition of Monarchy removes inequality in the world.

Donald Trump despite his excesses was ' more equal' ( apologies to George Orwell) than most new immigrants in America and that is the sad reality.

No Nigerian immigrant nor minor caucasian will instigate the assault on America's citadel of democracy and go scot free as he did.

That tells you something about legitimated democratic inequalities.

No one doubts or contests the fact Falola earned his pips, but while he is acting his position he is not equal to an Assistant Professor in the same department. The position confers unequal privileges. Thats just how things are.

No Oba or Obi did anyone any harm merely by being born into the royal family, and as Harry Windsor himself said several times in the past under fierce scrutiny from the people ( who financed his status and lifestyle because they want the institution in place but in an accountable format) through the agency of the Press, ' no one chooses to be a royal.' Agbetuyi was born into royalty but has never earned a penny nor enjoyed any privilege therefrom ( nor is he interested in being a crowned monarch.) For some it is just a mere gestural social stature. There are other avenues for social status available to the deserving and that are actually financially more rewarding than being in the position of minor royalty.

The current Oòni of Ifè became fabulously wealthy ever before becoming monarch as did his predecessor Oba Síjúwadé and they did not get rich merely as a result of their position as monarch.

Most minor royals in the UK earn their livelihood from inheritances and investments like the rest of the larger society

Most royals are trained in how to advance the goals of an ethical society through (unpaid) noble behaviour served by exemplary conduct. They let the larger society know that ' bolekaja' behaviour retrogresses societal goals. As Bishop Kukah said in the recent zoom interview, some of them are ready to lay down their' crown' for speaking truth to power about corrupt practices in governance rather than keep mum in order to keep it, as the deposed Emir of Kano did, without a fuss.

The English are cleverer than Nigerians. They know it is through the institution of accountable monarchy that they can avoid the American style Liberal democracy in which a clever minority can collude with a section of the majority and to hijack the polity, subject the country to perennial minority rule ( constituted into 'born to rule' social class whatever the form of government practiced) while the majority agonise and the country is torn apart by perennial instability.

Just because you do not belong to a social class or do not like a social class does not mean you should wish it out of existence. That in itself, in a democratic society which provides a space for all is disguised tyranny and dictatorial tendency. In other words trying to eradicate a disliked social class through tyranny.

OAA

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Toyin Falola achieved his esteemed position by his own hard work and brilliance not by inheritance.

“The whole idea of monarchy and all its attendant pomp and circumstance is really anachronistic. Who seriously believes that the Queen of England is God's rep on earth or "defender of the faith"? and which faith?”—Kojo.

I totally agree with Kojo’s observations. Kojo’s comments apply to all monarchies all over the world. All the Obis, Obas, and Sultans/Emirs should be rooted out in Nigeria—a Republic. Or at least none of them should have legal recognition in a Republic.

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I dont know any society which is built on strict equality. Toyin Falola is not equal with his students nor is he equal with Assistant Professors in his department.

Having Bush the father as president, Bush the son as president ( and Bush the Holy Ghost?) and Bush the the son as governor, in a way that cannot happen to Biko Agozino's or Donald Rumsfeld's families speaks of American citizen participation dynastic rule.

Having Saraki the father and Saraki the son lording it over Kwara speaks of citizen participation dynastic rule.

So Royalty is not the only contemporary institution built on equality ( in fact equality of access as was mentioned on this forum before is the hall mark of some royal institutions e.g the Ibadan royal institution with pecking orders from Magaji to the throne of Olubadan, so Royalty is not one hat fits all.)

Are minor royals equal to senior royals?

Whether in the context of royal institutions or other contemporary institutions, equality of access is what all should be working for.

OAA

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Date: 08/03/2021 15:37 (GMT+00:00)

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Biko,

Think of the very idea of blue blood and red blood, royalty and commoner.

Royalty is built on inequality. It should either be abolished or tolerated. There would be no middle ground.

CAO.

On Monday, 8 March 2021 at 16:04:31 UTC+1 biko...@yahoo.com wrote:

The charge of institutional racism is self-evident but what is not always known is that white supremacy is a threat to all. Harry was also hurt by being disinherited along with his wife and children and the institution will also suffer from the exposure of the cruelty. The fight against racism is not only for people of African descent, it is for all human beings.

However, Oprah may have overanalyzed the claim of Meghan that the institution was unsurvivable. That is not necessarily a suicidal thought. It is more likely a valid fear of being eliminated by a hostile institution that actually withdrew security details from the family despite death threats from a country with indisputable genocidal records against people of color.

Down with the monarchy, down with racism-sexism-imperialism.

Biko

On Mar 8, 2021 2:52 AM, "Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM" <chidi...@gmail.com> wrote:

It seems to me that there were efforts to protect the monarchy by not revealing any direct involvement of the head of the monarchy, the Queen, in the alleged mistreatments of Markle on the basis of colour.

CAO.

On Monday, 8 March 2021 at 06:31:36 UTC+1 Gloria Emeagwali wrote:

“It’s more subtle, less overt than it is in the US.” Biko

That is true and it can drive you to suicidal thoughts, being no less damaging than the American variant, apparently.

This Oprah - Meghan Markle interview gives tremendous confirmation of how white supremacy operates.

Rumors, ambivalence, outright lies, denialism, doublespeak, name calling, eugenics- not to mention, the delegitimization of Black intellectuals and Black intelligence- are important variables in the ideology. Disempowerment is one of the main objectives.

The interview illustrates the deployment of some of these, and confirmed what many of us suspected.

Prof. Gloria Emeagwali

Vimeo.com/gloriaemeagwali

On Mar 6, 2021, at 17:12, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

One of the big reasons that Meghan and Harry cited for leaving the family was their struggles with the press, and particularly the racism that was being directed at Meghan. Do you think that the press has learned anything or gotten any better in this latest cycle?

“No” is the short answer. We started this journey with Meghan being called “straight out of Compton,” despite the fact that she did not grow up in Compton; in fact, she was a few miles away from it, and equal proximity to Beverly Hills. We also saw disparaging comments made about her mother’s dreadlocks, comments about Meghan’s exotic DNA. It all got quite ugly from the start, and unfortunately, we have seen that continue over time. I remember when the emergence of the “Duchess Difficult” character happened in the British tabloids. It really leaned heavily on some very sexist and racist stereotypes about the successful woman that was too demanding, too aggressive, too loud, too in-your-face.

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It’s very sloppy, very lazy, and doesn’t help anyone in the long run because of course, that commentary also makes the royal institution itself look incredibly dated because they were unable to hold on to really the only chance they ever had of being diverse or inclusive. I think we’re really going to hear a lot about that when she sits down with Oprah. Race and racism in the U.K., which takes on a very different form over here—it’s more subtle, less overt than it is in the U.S.—will really be one of the things that they talk about in depth.

On Saturday, 6 March 2021, 16:42:55 GMT-5, Gloria Emeagwali <gloria.e...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/human-interest/2021/03/meghan-markle-harry-oprah-interview-royal-racism.amp

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