i do not have a righteous pompadour. what an image! no, i have very little hair on my head. inside, small thoughts about this. i do not understand why anyone who measures their politics in progressive terms would want to defend such a repressive dictatorship.
i don't really care if the dictatorship is on the left or the right; how much health care he gave his people. you are dodging the simple truth that he and his family run a country with an iron fist, take enough to live like the royalty they've made themselves, and have supported such bright lights as charles taylor among others.
you are blinded by his rhetoric, and demonize the west to the point where i can't imagine a rational debate on this issue.
that's it. we might have similar views in some lights, in opposition to western imperialism to african freedom. but i cannot begin to imagine such a discussion with your premises.
i saw a wonderful film last week by haile gerima. gerima, director of some of the really great films of our times, including harvest 3000 and sankofa, made, in his most recent film, teza, an indictment of the mengistu regime.
mutatis mutandis, it would stand in well for ghaddafi.
after the showing i asked haile how we could understand where we had been, supporters of anticolonial revolutions of the past, putting all our support and hearts into them; and now, having seen where things turned out badly, but still holding to progressive ideals, how to construct a politics for now, for our grandchildren.
he said he now thinks we had been too totalizing in our views; that we need to think in small terms, smaller moves, less absolute positions.
there is a point where the only defenses for a ghaddafi, or a mugabe, say, strike me as grounded in manichean absolutes, pure evil, pure good, that permit essentially totalitarian states to be tolerated.
i consider myself a leftist progressive; but that has absolutely nothing to do with toleration for a pseudo-dictatorship of the people, one which simply covers over autocracy. you are no doubt right that ghaddifi is not purely evil. but he is certainly bad enough.
ken
On 4/25/11 7:51 PM, MsJoe21St@aol.com wrote:
Mr. Kenneth Harrow's descriptor instead begs the question: Gaddafi is despicable by whose assessments? Can he explain why the world has not seen the groundswell of uprisings in Libya as they happened in Egypt and Tunisia?Mr. Harrow needs to offer more than a bicycle emotion in light of the fact that NATO/European powers, US and a few Arab countries have given the economic lift, military cover, and diplomatic incentives for Libyans to rise against the Gaddafi regime. In fact, it is safer to oppose the " despicable dictator " than to support him since the US and NATO facilitate and protect the opposition but going to the street to support Gaddafi is riskier. Yet, after the destruction of Gaddafi's personal residence and offices where foreign delegations hold meetings, Libyans still took to the streets to negate US and NATO bombings.All these appear incomprehensible to the alien, allied bombers. First, they counted on defectors to squeal with internal rancor that would bring down the regime. Neat and easy - and the higher ground would be claimed by the US, UK and France with lesser members satisfied. When that did not pan out, the superpowers are not shy on assassination to avoid the possibility of even a stalemate, which will be a diplomatic blow. The desperation calls for military solutions.Maybe Mr. Harrow can conscientiously explain how bombing places where no fighting is taking place, where there are no real or eminent civilian threats, destroying civilian infrastructure and causing civilian deaths, and creating humanitarian crises, amount to protecting civilians by US and NATO.How come less than half of NATO countries are involved in bombing Libya if the hue and cry fits to eliminate a despicable dictator? Did Mr. Harrow detect the hogwash since Madam Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called Gaddafi to smoothen relations after Wikileak? Well, despicable dictators do not morph within weeks to become such a menace to be assassinated.The First Amendment enshrines free speech as a cornerstone of American democracy. Can anyone explain with a modicum of cognitive awareness what democratic advancement is inherent in NATO bombing Libyan Television - because Western nations do not like the speeches on Libyan Television?Each given day, any manner of information - from the informed, peculiarly weird, crude dysfunctions to pure rubbish beam from American mainstream and cable television. It would be heresy to close down a news outlet because the views run contrary to the government's ideas. But there was Senator John McCain spitting fire and requesting more bombs to eliminate propaganda from Libyan TV.If this is not a grave danger to civilization, it would have been a folly for laughter because any normal person with an ounce of morality cannot miss the sheer double standard in perpetuation of debauchery. McCain calls for more support for the rebels. He acknowledges that the rebels cannot win on their own device. Now, what kind of a popular home grown opposition is this? What part of US dollars or Euros would be earmarked for the rebel-led rebuilding to re-brand the Libyan television in order to broadcast what would be appealing and appeasing to the ears and eyes of Western super powers?Can anyone rationalize, without any shade of ambiguity, how any civilized democracy would construe "protect civilian" as using alien forces to get into the air space of a sovereign nation, direct precision drones to assassinate someone in order to protect civilians - when the indigenous civilians are rallying in the streets in support of the person? When rich nations behave abnormally, society and even psychologists can always come up with plausible justifications. But this is barbarism. If committed by a poor nation or a third world leader, clinical issues would be attached to the brazen and uncontrolled impulses. What is the moral tenet for super powers to bomb and eliminate leaders who do not toe their lines? Just because they can?As a learned person, Mr. Harrow can reflect on how his despicable descriptor can be relative. When the poor who work hard but cannot afford health care in a matter of life and death situations, other people can call such nations and leadership despicable with disregard for humanity. Libyans have free health care and free education to post graduate levels. To some, it is despicable to see homeless people sleeping on the streets - in the capitals of rich super nations. You don't have that in Libya. Libya is the highest donor to the African Union. Reducing reliance on Western controlled IMF would not be seen as the determination of a despicable dictator. Mr. Harrow did not indicate his own values, what he was measuring, and the rubrics he used.Therefore, if Mr. Harrow insists on wondering why others are not inclined to buy into his reasoning, which lacks substantiation, he would be promoting the despicable public fraud in Resolution 1973. Even the UN Secretary General is realizing the ruse used to launch a creeping military mission in Libya.While at it, Mr. Harrow cannot explain with a straight face why the allied bombers did not bomb Bahrain and Saudi Arabia when they suppressed protests in the same period that the West was focused on Libya. Saudi Arabia conducts no election, yet Saudi Arabia is America's best friend in the Arab world. Who is kidding who Mr. Harrow?Do you see how your righteous pompadour is much sound and fury signifying nothing beyond warped hypocrisies?MsJoe--In a message dated 4/25/2011 4:10:55 P.M. 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Greetings Ken. I have questions to your question "how can you support a despicable dictator?" that you posed to MsJoe21.How do you come to the conclusion of "despicable dictator" and how do you substantiate the validity of your question?Why are Nigerians working in Libya given all the the black gold of Nigeria?How much contribution has Nigeria made to the African Liberation Fund relative to Libya?Can you define for us Nigeria's interest as well as African interest?Is Nigeria a friend of the West or the West a friend of Nigeria?Whose interest are you supporting?Did Nigeria and South Africa vote to BOMB Africa?There are many more questions for you in relation to your question. For the meantime deal wit these few ones.Thanks.KOFI
lots of questions. i have one: how can you support a despicable dictator?
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ken
On 4/21/11 12:39 PM, MsJoe21St@aol.com wrote:Hello:I have checked, no single entity, not even Trans Africa, has come up with anything concrete on this grave hypocrisy. An editorial from National Public Radio asked where is the anti-war movement is?The most you have is the congressional group called Code Pink, with Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich, which is vocally against the allied bombing in Libya. The congressional black caucus is conveniently silent. Washington Post is dangerously biased. A measure of balance comes from Huffington Post. The majority of the Western newspapers are acting as propaganda machineS for NATO and the rebels. Most African leaders lack the moral credentials or intellectual depth to even understand the long term ramifications. This is beyond Libya. It is about the blatant return to the 1800s with impunity. This is about the integrity of Africa. Yes, African leaders should be accountable. But to who? To western powers who can simply implement regime change in Africa in order to install pliant and pliable leaders to do their bidding?This effort, below, is worth supporting by Pan Africans to help the courageous leadership by Africans at home. See contact:.democracyvp@yahoo.com.I just received the information and I am impressed that a group has gone beyond talk - and doing something.Each day, the Western superpowers are expanding a creeping mission, which violates the US Resolution 1973 that was craftily disguised as a humanitarian gesture to protect civilians.How can France, UK, Italy and the US send military commanders to train rebels to shoot as a means to protect civilians?How can NATO be bombing TV stations and telephone lines in government controlled cities and in Tripoli as a means to protect civilians?How can air strikes be targeting government controlled areas where no fighting is taking place?How can two sides be engaged in a clear armed conflict and only the government forces are responsible for casualties?Now can Libya be fighting the combined forces of NATO and rebels and only the Libyan forces are accountable for the miseries?Please read again the information:Why the West wants the fall of Gaddafi. Obama freezes $30 billion fund for African projects
If you can support this group, below, with a mere $5.00, that would help to counter Obama's $25 million to promote war in Libya. Please forward this information to your listservs.--
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