Thursday, July 28, 2011

USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: [dandalin-siyasa] Re: Latest CBN Guidelines on Islamic Banking - The Exposed Deceit of Mr Joe Attueyi and the Unfortunate Review by Professor Mobolaji Aluko[ AS A NON-DISCRIMINATORY SOLUTION TO PROHIBITIVE LENDING PRACTICES IN NIGERIAN BANKING]



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From: Abubakar Muazu <abubakar_muazu@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 27 July 2011 16:37
Subject: Re: [dandalin-siyasa] Re: Latest CBN Guidelines on Islamic Banking - The Exposed Deceit of Mr Joe Attueyi and the Unfortunate Review by Professor Mobolaji Aluko
To: dandalin-siyasa@yahoogroups.com


 


There is an implicit assumption that the idea of Islamic Banking will lead to asking those that patronise it to follow a particualrly Islamic line of personal behavioural action(s) along the line of Sharia that contradict other persons' beliefs -- religious or atheistic.  I find this a limiting understanding. 
 
The question to ask is: does the Islamic Banking principle require of one to change his/her faith, mode of personal behaviour to access its services? Certainly the answer to that is NO.  For if that is the case since the introduction of Islamic Banking in the US and Britain, to mention two of the countries where this alternative banking has been embraced, then we could have heard of people being forced to convert to Islam before partaking in its service.  There are no such stories.
 
Now with the revelation that 60% of shareholders of Jaiz International Bank are from the South East - a noted place with of concentration of Catholics - were they, in any way required to dress as muslims, say Salamu Alaikum, perform ablution, wear turban/scarf or hijab before their shares were allocated to them?  How come they were ready to invest in such a banking scheme? Or have they become converts to Islam? 
 
Those who chose to patronise such a bank as workers must be people who are conversant with and are experts in the operations of such a bank.  People without competence in that area of economics should not work there, unless they are ready to be trained in its operations and principles and are ready to observe the framework set by the regulatory authority.  I think the basis of recruitment to work in such a bank is expertise, not faith.
 
Instead of making insinuations that cannot stand regulatory standards and practices, it is better to keep quiet or rather, more crucially, undertake a detailed study of this alternative banking practice that has been operating even in pre-dominantly non-Muslim countries and also in the Muslim dominated ones.  A useful intervention is to ask for guarantees against abuses, misuse and theft of people's funds in the name of non-interest banking, by any name called.  I think emphasis should be on the guarantees of transparency, probity and accountability from such a bank. 
 
There is no Muslim that will oppose the introduction and operation of Christian Banking in Nigeria. As a matter of fact Muslims should encourage their Christian brothers and sisters to strenuously work to get their's established.  This will broaden the space for choice for all of us and create room for competition so that the Nigerian, no matter where she or he happens to come from or what faith she or he professes or professes none, will draw real bebnefits.  I think it is rather sad that some people want to foreclose this option of choice for our people.  It is in the spirit of democracy to welcome a pluarality of banking services and investment options, broaden room for economic exapnsion to the overall benefit of the people of Nigeria. 
 
I am more interested in the emancipatory services of this banking model.  if it could work to free us - especially the majority of the common people - from the current economic debacle of the country, being made difficult by the present usurous banking services, the better for everyone: Muslims, Christians or Pagans/Atheists.  The recent experience of prohibitive interest rates of almost 25% that simply makes it impossible for a genuine investor to borrow funds from the banks is a direct disincentive to growing the economy.  No one that believes in the develpment of Nigeria will oppose an alternative investment framework that has proven to work elesewhere and is serving as practical alternative to the present usurous interest-based banking model.  
 
People like me were thinking that after the successful consolidation in the banking sector - thanks to Prof. Soludo's intellectual brilliance and economic acumen - there would be a lot of funds directed at supporting investors towards growing the Nigerian economy.  Instead, what we heard were tales of greed and theft of people's money in the billions in some banks.  Look at what the banks are doing: they place adverts in the media urging you to collect money, on ususrous interest rates, and urging you to spend it on consummables.  The present banks need an alternative model to wake them up to the reality of supporting genuine investors.  If Islamic Banking will rouse them from their present approach to a more directed economy driven investment, so be it!
 
 
 
  
--- On Wed, 27/7/11, topcrest topcrest <topcrestt@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: topcrest topcrest <topcrestt@yahoo.com>
Subject: [dandalin-siyasa] Re: Latest CBN Guidelines on Islamic Banking - The Exposed Deceit of Mr Joe Attueyi and the Unfortunate Review by Professor Mobolaji AlukoDate: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 15:51


 
Ibrahim,

I really am through with this islamic bank argument rested in the knowledge that no one can and/or will impose a system upon Nigeria where bro joe needs to obey sharia principles or mallam Ibrahim needs to recite the Lord's prayer before he is attended to in a financial institution operating in Nigeria. 

Otherwise reasonable folks are not even seeing beyond their nose on the matter. If I cannot deposit my money without acceding to Sharia principles, can my son get a job there without doing the same? Does my wife need to cover herself in purdah to withdraw money from our joint account? The devil is always in the details. So knowing Nigeria I can tell  you that we may ultimately have non interest financial institutions that are religion neutral BUT not Islamic banks run under sharia principles.

These arguments are moot IMHO.

Just to clarify for record purposes:

All the links came from CBN website. Whether it was posted by Soludo or Sanusi is irrelevant. I would oppose "Christian banking" that requires you to say the Lord's prayer or have your wife wear the catholic chaplet before you can transact business with a Nigerian financial institution. Whether the "Christian banking" is instituted by Soludo or Sanusi is irrelevant to me.

As you would agree, if there was nothing wrong with the original guidelines there would be no need to revise them and issue new(?) ones. To that extent, those who have been shouting since the guidelines were issued in January cannot be faulted ( I must admit I was one of those that faulted them without reading the guidelines until yesterday). 

In a multi religious (semi) secular country like Nigeria, the complaints and revisions will continue until the CBN comes to a generally acceptable guideline to works for everybody.

With that I rest my case on this matter.

Joe
BTW I bothered to respond because I am impressed with the way you combine serious discussions with some lightheartedness that makes for easy reading. Please keep writing 


--- In NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com, "Ibrahim Sanyi-Sanyi" <aim_sanyi@...> wrote:
>

> Mr Joe, 

> Please click on the link you posted initially, look at the PDF document that comes up closely. Can you see the blurred CBN logo by the extreme right hand side of the document? And also click on the link I posted, look at the PDF document that pops up and tell me how the CBN logo looks like. Is it different from the one you posted? 

> Moreover, the texture and wordings of your linked document is too informal and highly unprofessional and unintelligent for a CBN guideline. I smell Oluwole tricks in that document. And in as much as I don't want believe someone's line of thinking that the 'withdrawn' document was a 'Draft Guidelines' hastily patched together by Professor Soludo when he issued operating license to Jaiz Bank; I want comfort myself that you can and will be able to defend the source of that counterfeit document you circulated in the event of you being sued by CBN. 

> It looks like the issue you have with the CBN Guidelines on Non-Interest Banking is the Non-Interest Financial Institutions (NIFI) operating under the principles of Islamic Commercial Jurisprudence even when CBN has made clear the Nigerian Laws will govern operations of these banks. And the Regulator has undertaken to issue more Guidelines as the Islamic Banks come on stream. You even alleged that the Advisory Committee of Experts (ACE) in the Guideline is replacement for the Sharia Advisory Council. Haba! 



> Ibrahim Sanyi-Sanyi 
> Sent this email from his BlackBerry wireless device powered by MTN 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: "Joe Attueyi" topcrestt@... 
> Sender: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:33:17 
> To: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com 
> Reply-To: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Latest CBN Guidelines on Islamic Banking - The Exposed Deceit of Mr Joe Attueyi and the Unfortunate Review by Professor Mobolaji Aluko 

> Ibrahim 
> What clarification? Until this afternoon I was a supporter of islamic 
> banking that was NOT discrimantory. 
> As I responded to Prof Aluko earlier today, once the Apostles in the 
> market place complained about the initial guidelines and it was 
> announced that new guidelines had been issued I had concluded that this 
> brouhaha was a storm in a tea cup. 
> It was this PM that I just went back to see for myself what those 
> guidelines were-----and as you can confirm they don't look pretty. A 
> review of the so called new guidelines show that it is the difference 
> between six and half a dozen. 
> IMHO anyone who wants to understand where Sanusi is coming from should 
> read the original guidelines and framework for supervising NIFI (which 
> has not changed by the way!). 
> Joe 
> --- In NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com, "Ibrahim Sanyi-Sanyi" 
> aim_sanyi@ wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Mr Joe, 
> > 
> > Can you tell me why you chose NOT to paste the link to the updated 
> guidelines? Afterall you knew there were changes to the 'copy' whose 
> link you pasted in your initial post. 
> > 
> > And what took you this long to make this definite clarification? 
> > 
> > I am waiting.. 
> > Ibrahim Sanyi-Sanyi 
> > Sent this email from his BlackBerry wireless device powered by MTN 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: "Joe Attueyi" topcrestt@ 
> > Sender: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:31:00 
> > To: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com 
> > Reply-To: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Latest CBN Guidelines on Islamic Banking 
> - The Exposed Deceit of Mr Joe Attueyi and the Unfortunate Review by 
> Professor Mobolaji Aluko 
> > 
> > Ibrahim, 
> > As I stated earlier once the group Apostles in the market place 
> started 
> > making a ruckus CBN issued a new guideline. I ave been going through 
> > this new guideline and all I see are cosmetic changes. .... 
> > "The emphasis of this guideline is on Non-Interest Financial 
> > Institutions operating under the principles of Islamic Commercial 
> > Jurisprudence, one of the categories of Non-Interest Financial 
> > Institutions (NIFI). In addition, other guidelines in the conduct of 
> > banking under the principles of Islamic commercial jurisprudence, 
> e.g., 
> > operational, corporate governance, product compliance, risk management 
> > and capital adequacy, etc. will be issued in due course. " 
> > The Sharia Advisory council is replaced by Advisory Committee of 
> experts 
> > "8.2 All licensed IIFS shall have an internal review mechanism that 
> > ensures compliance with the principles under this model. They shall 
> also 
> > have an Advisory Committee of Experts (ACE) as part of their 
> > governance structure. The detailed guidelines for the appointment, 
> > operation, qualification, duties and responsibilities of member of the 
> > ACE are contained in separate guidelines to be issued by the CBN." 
> > CBN Sharia council is replaced by CBN advisory council of experts 
> > "9.0 CBN ADVISORY COUNCIL OF EXPERTS 9.1 There shall be an advisory 
> body 
> > to be called CBN Advisory Council of Experts to advise the CBN on 
> > matters relating to the effective regulation and supervision of IIFS 
> in 
> > Nigeria. The qualification, duties, responsibilities etc of members of 
> > the Council are contained in guidelines to be issued by the CBN" 
> > 
> > How will they keep their books? 
> > "12.0 AUDIT, ACCOUNTING AND DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTSAll IIFS shall 
> comply 
> > with relevant provisions of the circular issued by the CBN on 
> disclosure 
> > requirement by financial institutions and other disclosure 
> requirements 
> > contained in CAMA 1990 (amended) and BOFIA 1991 (as amended). In 
> > addition, they shall comply with the relevant standards on disclosure 
> > issued by standardssetting organisations including the following:• 
> > Accounting and Auditing Organisation for Islamic Financial 
> Institutions 
> > (AAOIFI);• Islamic Financial Services Board (IFSB); and• 
> > Nigerian Accounting Standards Board (NASB)." 
> > I gave up at this stage! 
> > If you find any fundamental differences please help us point them out. 
> > Joe--- In NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com, Ibrahim Sanyi-Sanyi 
> > aim_sanyi@ wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dear all, 
> > > 
> > > Please see attached or follow the link below for the latest CBN 
> > guidelines on Non-Interest Banking (Islamic Banking) released in June 
> > 2011. 
> > > 
> > > Going through the PDF document, you will be able to discern the 
> > difference between this document and outdated and possibly counterfeit 
> > document circulated by Joe Attueyi that received the review and 
> comments 
> > of Professor Mobolaji Aluko (who went on analysis spree without 
> > bothering to do a simple search on CBN website but elected to indulge 
> on 
> > the simple act of clicking on the link supplied by Mr joe as Level 100 
> > undergraduate student would do). 
> > > 
> > > Enjoy. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> http://www.cenbank.org/OUT/2011/CIRCULARS/FPR/NON-INTEREST%20BANKING%20G\ 
> \ 
> > UIDELINES%20JUNE%2020%202011.PDF 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Central District, Abuja 
> > > 
> > > PMB 190, Garki 
> > > 
> > > Post code 9000001 
> > > 
> > > Abuja 
> > > 
> > > +234 (80) 35889771 
> > > 
> > > Office Ext - 09 460 84304 
> > > 
> >
>

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