I prefer the slow development of the present Nigerian political space. I dont want a Gaddafi , a Fidel Castro or a neo-People's Republic of China leader who decides that only he, his family and cronies have a right to national leadership even if such a dictator turns Nigeria into an economic paradise.
2. The Libyan rebels began with peaceful protests. It was when Gaddafi began to slaughter them that they fought back
3. The West may have done nothing for Libya but they are doing something now in helping to remove a dictator who prefers to kill his own people than come to an agreement with those of them who say its time he let someone else rule after being in power for 42 years.
4.Nigeria is much better off than Libya beceause Nigerians are undergoing a democratic process.
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toyin
Toyin, do you know any of these rebels? Did Ghadafi wake up one morning and began bombing and shooting Libyans? When a people take up arms against their government and begin destroying public property for whatever reasons, what do you expect government to do, fold its arms? Time for Ghadafi to go, that is alright; but who are David Cameron and Sokozy to tell Ghadafi when to go or even to leave his country. What has Cameron and Sakozy ever did for Libyans? Is it road they gave Libyans? Water? Health institutions? Schools? Scholarships? Houses? Now, look at your own Nigeria for all of its 50 years. Would you not desire a Ghaddafi who invested public monies for public good for Nigeria? Nigerians do know to poke nose at others' homes, when theirs is nothing to write home about.
--- On Tue, 7/12/11, toyin adepoju <toyin.adepoju@googlemail.com> wrote:
From: toyin adepoju <toyin.adepoju@googlemail.com>
Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: ayo.city - Re:Amazing Differences BTW Nigeria and Libya-Not On Mainstream
To: "usaafricadialogue" <USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com>, "dandalin siyasa" <dandalin-siyasa@yahoogroups.com>, naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com, "NigerianID@yahoogroups.com" <nigerianid@yahoogroups.com>, "Edo-nationality" <edo-nationality@yahoogroups.com>, "Edo Global" <Edo_Global@yahoogroups.com>, ngpolitics@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 7:01 AMGet real.
The whole problem started bcs Gaddafi was murdering Libyans who protested against him, protests similar to those being done elsewhere in the Arab world.
All that is written here might be real but it does not replace representative democracy, even when it is flawed.As someone in Saudi Arabia put it when their government bought off the threat of protests with cash gifts, the issue is about collective sovereignty of the citizen not about welfare paternalism, which is part of the Libyan and the Saudi rulership mentality.
The sun has set for Gaddafi's dictatorship and time is ticking steadily for that of others in the Arab world.
Yes. The West is often duplicitous. Yes, if they dont hope to gain from this and turn a profit, too, I would be shocked and revise my understanding of international politics. But no one else is going to make sure Gaddafi does not just swallow the dissenting Libyans.
The challenge is that of orchestrating maximum gain for the self sacrificing Libyans, doing the hitherto unthinkable by fighting a brutal and uncompromising dictator, and the West investing so much material, human and political capital in this initiative.
Knowing the West does not like him, he was wise enough to slaughter his own people instead of approaching the issue with circumspection.
The lizard that knows that its enemies are prowling would be careful about the kind of noise it makes.
The world is changing.
Gaddafi is still in the past. Mubarak and Ben Ali respected the verdict of the unstoppable will of the people. The Syrian and Saudi leaders are only living on borrowed time.
Cuba seems to remain socially and economically moribund because one revolutionary insists that he and his family must rule forever and that the people cannot be allowed to elect their own leaders. China will have to take stock of its own militarized paternalism, in which a closed group, unelected by anyone, determines the fate of the country. When the present generation have had their fill of so called material well being China is being lauded for, they might look inward and see that they are really prisoners in a cage, a pleasant cage, but a cage nevertheless.
Democracy, particularly as currently practiced everywhere, is flawed, but I am yet to observe a superior method of government.
thanks
toyinOn 12 July 2011 11:43, toyin adepoju <toyin.adepoju@googlemail.com> wrote:
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Some other facts (that mainstream media will never disclose) about Gaddafi and Libya
Loans to Libyan citizens are given with NO interest.
Students would get paid the average salary for the profession they are studying for.
If you are unable to get employment the state would pay the full salary as if you were employed until you find employment.
When you get married the couple gets an apartment or house for free from the Government.
You could go to college anywhere in the world. The state pays 2,500 euros plus accommodation and car allowance.
The cars are sold at factory cost.
Libya does not owe money, (not a cent) to anyone. No creditors.
Free education and health care for all citizens.
25 of the population with a university degree.
No beggars on the streets and nobody is homeless (until the recent bombing).
Bread costs only $0.15 per loaf.
No wonder the US and other capitalist countries do not like Libya. Gaddafi would not consent to taking loans from IMF or World Bank at high interest rates. In other words Libya was INDEPENDENT That is the real reason for the war in Libya He may be a dictator, but that isnot the US problem. Also Gaddafi called on all Oil producing countries NOT to accept payment for oil in USD or Euros. He recommended that oil get paid for in GOLD and that would have bankrupted just about every
Western Country as most of them do not have gold reserves to match the rate at which they print their useless currencies.
Remember the last time someone had the NERVE to make a similar statement was when Saddam Hoosein advised all Opec countries not to accept payment for oil in US Dollars. Well, we all know what happened to him . Yes, they HUNG HIM....click here to read more on this topic: http://ngmix.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=2
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