Toyin,
Many thanks for yours. I doubt that I would ever engage you in serious scholarship again, ever. I was only situating your offensive views on Biafra and women in context. And I do not engage in gossip; I am data-driven - and driven. The information on the female scholar, you provided yourself - the entire exchange between you and the scholar. And you should be familiar with the contents of your Facebook page. I see you have realized that and re-configured your earlier views.
Be well, man. Of course.
- ikhide
That is my Chidi!
The other day, in the midst of all those gyrations, I had to check myself and ask-is this not the same Chidi....? This moved me to to pull back. No point in dancing to drums that prevent one from picking faces from the crowd, as J.P. Clark (?) put it?--
But....really.....Even though the context of presentation is problematic, I see what Ikhide is referring to on the research on women issue and am waiting eagerly for him to respond.I can see the angle from which such a view could be seen as tenable.Most tantalising : " And understandably so, if you are familiar with Toyin's "work" on women's private parts."I am so excited by this : " His Facebook page will convince you of the darkness that resides in him.".Frankly, Ikhide's views may be held even outside the combative context he is presenting them.I have been postponing writing an essay on the subject for some time and see this challenge as providing me with the opportunity.I have been looking forward to a good time on it.I would like Ikhide to proceed to respond to my questions.The tone of his response is up to him.Seriously.toyinOn Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:
This tendency to engage in unnecessary war of words here (yabis in
motor park parlance) as exemplified by this current Ikhide/Toyin face
off, at the slightest provocation have far reaching implications, one
of which is that persons who are supposed to close ranks and be the
watchdogs of our sick polity are busy tearing at themselves, while our
so called leaders, who are the real enemies are busy feasting on our
collective patrimony unhindered.
Ikhide, Toyin and others, in spite of their limitations as human
beings, are in my opinion, important instruments in the efforts to
normalize our sick polity.
This mindset has always moderated my actions whenever I am provoked
here.
-------CAO.
On 9 Jan, 04:34, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *On Nwokeji*
>> *On Ikhide*
> I have just responded to Nwokeji.
>
> Not only does he not have an argument, he leads himself onto deadly ground
> and traps himself there.
>
> A detailed analysis of the January 15, 1966 coup does not help the case of
> anyone arguing from Nwokeji's perspective.
>
> I chose to present the issues succinctly in my response to him because if I
> were to go into detail the unsavoury character of the situation would be
> too gross.
>
>> One<http://www.scribd.com/doc/75681526/COUNTERING-THE-THREAT-OF-PRO-BIAFR...>"
> For anyone wishing to read my brutal experience on the literary group
> Ederi,which Ikhide alludes to, you may see my essays "Countering the Threat
> of Pro-Biafra Fanaticism : Part
> and " "Countering the Threat of Pro-Biafra Fanaticism : Part> Two<http://www.scribd.com/doc/75924934/COUNTERING-THE-THREAT-OF-PRO-BIAFR...>",
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Ikhide <xoki...@yahoo.com> wrote:> which I have earlier posted on these and other fora.
>
> In those essays, every single contribution, by every contributor to the
> incident in question is quoted in full, with corroborative links to the
> message archives of Ederi , and carefully analysed,
> so everyone can judge for themselves.
>
> I am still working on the third part because I was so moved by the notion
> I encountered in that experience, of Biafra/Nigeria citizenship as a
> simultaneous and yet antagonistic self-identification, in which a person
> sees themself as embodying citizenship of two nations which they see as in
> perpetual warfare against each other, I became convinced I needed
> to move my analysis beyond Biafra discourse per se into discussing
> this paradoxical form of dual citizenship, and events of last year bear
> this out.
>
> As for the rest of Ikhide's wounded diatribe on Biafra, a man who does not
> know that you dont enter a fierce fight wearing only a loincloth did that
> on the Jeyifo critique and no time was wasted in demonstrating before all
> that he was not serious.
>
> He seeks to assuage his wounds.
>
> Ogbeni, take am easy. Everybody here can read.You dont need to tell them
> what to think.
>
> This looks like unsubstantiated gossip to me:
>
> "Curiously, the same accusations have been leveled against his
> "scholarship" on women. Misogyny is the word a noted scholar used to
> describe Toyin's world views against women when she declined Toyin
> permission to use her work on his blog or website. And understandably so,
> if you are familiar with Toyin's "work" on women's private parts. His
> "scholarship" on women's issues is beyond demeaning, I am surprised there
> has been no organized outrage. It is disgraceful actually. His Facebook
> page will convince you of the darkness that resides in him."
>
> Who is the "noted scholar?"
>
> Can you direct us to her 'refusal'? How do you know about it?
>
> What exactly is the nature of "Toyin's "work" on women's private parts"?
>
> What is "His "scholarship" on women's issues" [that is] beyond demeaning"
> ?
>
> What is the content of this "scholarship" and why is it demeaning?
>
> How does his "Facebook page...convince you of the darkness that resides in
> him""?
>
> Ikhide Ikheloa, God/Goddess has done well by sending you.
>
> Please make my week by a response to those questions.
>
> toyin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > **
> > ------------------------------> > Folks.
>
> > This is not addressed directly to Toyin Adepoju, he does not need it and I
> > am convinced he is not in a position to be swayed by what I have to say. I
> > first noticed his take on Biafra in another forum. His views, about the
> > pogrom and the genocide were, in my view, evil and abnormal.
>
> > I was shocked to find that this man was so abysmally ignorant about a part
> > of Nigerian history that has to be the most important since her birth. In
> > that forum we were all as a group taken aback by the ignorance and the
> > bigotry Toyin displayed with each posting.
>
> > Once Toyin started speaking about Biafra and spewing what are easily the
> > most shocking statements anyone would utter in my presence about fellow
> > human beings, I decided that there was a darkness there that was beyond his
> > control. And I stopped engaging him.
>
> > Folks, if you think Toyin's views about Biafra are odious (they are) then
> > I am not sure what you would characterize the views that got him expelled
> > from the forum we both shared. No one should be exposed to that carcinogen
> > that Toyin offered up. Believe it or not, his views about Biafra today are
> > a lot more civil than those dark days when I shivered from the e-ethnic
> > cleansing that he so gleefully executed on the Internet.
>
> > Curiously, the same accusations have been leveled against his
> > "scholarship" on women. Misogyny is the word a noted scholar used to
> > describe Toyin's world views against women when she declined Toyin
> > permission to use her work on his blog or website. And understandably so,
> > if you are familiar with Toyin's "work" on women's private parts. His
> > "scholarship" on women's issues is beyond demeaning, I am surprised there
> > has been no organized outrage. It is disgraceful actually. His Facebook
> > page will convince you of the darkness that resides in him.
>
> > As for Biafra, I honestly believe it is not normal, what I read from
> > Toyin. Let me put it this way, there are many people I disagree with on
> > this forum when it comes to Biafra. I can however honestly say, they are
> > disagreements. As for Toyin, to call his views wrong-headed would be to
> > dignify a rabid dysfunction.
>
> > I have engaged Toyin a couple of times on this forum because I wanted to
> > be on record as abhorring whatever he stands for. Nobody that I respect
> > views his position as sane. And that is why you hardly see anyone publicly
> > agreeing with him. There is no method to this madness.
>
> > - Ikhide
> > *From: * "G. Ugo Nwokeji" <u...@berkeley.edu>
> > *Sender: * usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> > *Date: *Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:16:39 -0800
> > *To: *<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> > *ReplyTo: * usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject: *Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - First, There Was A Country;
> > Then There Wasn't: Reflections On Achebe's New Book (2)> > exactly what you did when you wrote that the "[ coup plotters] *killed
>
> > Toyin,
>
> > I actually agree with the point you made in your response to my retort,
> > namely, that it is not necessary to "enter into the game of counting dead
> > bodies in terms of number and rank according to tribe." But that is
> > one Igbo person- an officer who was not of high rank*." And you now make
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:16 AM, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tva...@gmail.com>wrote:> > it to sound that I started the counting?
>
> > I only reminded you that if you had to count (as you actually did), you
> > had to do it right.
>
> > The correction I made matters because that claim (and variations of it) is
> > the cornerstone of the argument that the January 1966 coup was an Igbo
> > coup, and you deployed that argument precisely to drive home that point.
>
> > If you had not "counted the dead", I would not even have written anything.
> > As usually happens, those who are quick to accuse people of tribalism
> > should examine themselves first.
>
> > If you made your argument out of 'tribal" sentiment, you have no reason to
> > put the same to me. You made a mistake that somebody who is spending much
> > of his time on this matter should not make and which is convenient to your
> > argument, and you were corrected. What does it tell you and anybody else
> > reading that up to now, you are still waiting for "other members ... to
> > collaborate" that Arthur Unegbe was the Quartermaster General of the
> > Nigerian army? There was only one!
>
> > This goes to show the level of misinformation about the events of 1966 and
> > ready willingness to ignore basic facts.
>
> > Your assertion that the correction "does not modify" the very point you
> > made it to support just reveals how too willing you are to not let the
> > facts get in your way.
>
> > Ethnic sentiment had no place in that correction. If I may add, the
> > killing of Arthur Unegbe is personal to me; my mother never mentioned him
> > (she called him Chinyelu) without tears in her eyes, but I don't let that
> > color my analysis of the motives of the coup plotters. His colleagues who
> > targeted him knew he was Igbo, but they claimed they killed him because of
> > his political affiliations, which is identical to what they claimed about
> > other victims from other ethnic group. The misrepresentation of his true
> > identity by others -- which was deliberate at the beginning -- is an
> > ever-present reminder to me how these facts are distorted.
>
> > Ugo
>
>> ...
> >> Get real.
>
> >> Death is horrible.
>
> >> Even more gruesome is cold blooded murder of defenceless people.
>
> >> The cold blooded murders that characterised the January 15, 1966 coup
> >> and the counter coup and pogroms are most regrettable.
>
> >> One does not wish there were more deaths.
>
> >> I can appreciate correcting a historical fact, but, in the name of
> >> decency, is bringing up this point with this associated fanfare and
> >> combative taunts necessary at this time since your point does
> >> not alter the configuration of the historical reality being discussed?
>
> >> Are we to now lapse into further counting of dead bodies tribe by tribe?
>
> >> Lay them side by side and weigh the rank of one against the other to
> >> further evaluate the social scope of the massacres?
>
> >> Has that not been sufficiently done and the point made?
>
> >> Even if you are correct on the gentleman's rank, your point does not tell
> >> us anything new about the character of the January 15,1966 coup and does
> >> not modify the point I was making.
>
> >> Since you have brought that effort at correction to our attention, I
> >> will leave it for members and myself to corroborate but I will
> >> not
>
>
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