Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Many Ask, Why Not Call Church Shooting Terrorism?

When is TERROR?
This pervert has a manifesto clearly outlining his ideas and
intentions. It wasn't a spontaneous act, neither is it a spur of the
moment insanity. No. He is no serial killer, kid is a clear eyed stone
cold terrorist.

On 6/20/15, Mensah, Edward K <dehasnem@uic.edu> wrote:
> Ken
> Stop dancing around the word terrorism. No, this is not a national insanity.
> This is an act of terrorism, in its purest form. This kid has succeeded in
> creating a condition where the next white youth who walks by a church and
> dressed in thick clothes puts extreme fear in the hearts of the
> congregation.
> What do you call a condition where someone is prepared to use force to kill
> or scare others who are of different race, gender, religious persuasion,
> etc. ? Hell, this is terrorism. It does not mean that whites are
> terrorists? No, it simply means that this kid is a terrorist.
>
> Kwaku
> Chicago
>
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> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Many Ask, Why Not Call Church
> Shooting Terrorism?
>
> agreed. it seems, from the killing of children in connecticut to this
> massacre of black churchgoers, there is no limit to what people in this
> country will accept in order to keep their guns. there is nothing natural
> about this; it wasn't the case when i was a kid. the nra shares, with others
> who continually pump insane statements into the debate over gun rights,
> responsibility for these killings. what do we call an industry that refuses
> to acknowledge its responsibility? or people who won't recognize the
> connection between their "right" to own a gun, any kind of gun, and these
> acts that are facilitated by the easy access to any kind of gun?
> it is a kind of national insanity.
> ken
> On 6/20/15 11:04 AM, Segun Ogungbemi wrote:
> It is not calling the shooting terrorism that matters in my opinion. What
> needs to be done is compel the hate group to put down their guns.
> The easy access to gun in the US is the cause of the senseless killings
> which Obama administration finds difficult to control.
> A time is coming when majority of Americans will say they have had enough of
> the law that permits easy access to gun.
> Prof. Segun Ogungbemi
>
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:15 PM, kenneth harrow
> <harrow@msu.edu<mailto:harrow@msu.edu>> wrote:
> to call this an act of terrorism is not to acknowledge more truthfully its
> import, but to buy into the increasingly ubiquitous rhetoric of "terrorism,"
> a term used everywhere to signify an enemy of a regime. it is a heinous
> crime, a mass murder by a white supremicist bigot who deserves to be
> punished to the limit. we could go on forever saying how awful his act was,
> how horrible that nutcases like him can get killing machines to kill as many
> innocent people as possible, and we'd never really end it.
> time to mourn now, and to direct our anger at those whose verbiage helps
> make these acts seem possible, and who political policies make it easier for
> crazy people to kill innocent victims. i agree with obama; something should
> be done to curb the easy access to guns in this country, and more needs to
> be done to marginalize white supremicists and their rhetoric.
> ken
> On 6/19/15 6:01 PM, Dhikru Yagboyaju wrote:
>
> That has always been the problem.
> On 19 Jun 2015 16:10, "Toyin Falola"
> <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu<mailto:toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>>
> wrote:
> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-shooting-terrorism-or-hate-crime.html
> Many Ask, Why Not Call Church Shooting Terrorism?
> By RICK GLADSTONE
> June 18, 2015
>
> The massacre of nine African-Americans in
> Charleston<http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting.html>
> has been classified as a possible hate crime, apparently carried out by a
> 21-year-old white man who once wore an apartheid badge and other symbols of
> white supremacy. But many civil rights advocates are asking why the attack
> has not officially been called terrorism.
>
> Against the backdrop of rising worries about violent Muslim extremism in the
> United States, advocates see hypocrisy in the way the attack and the man
> under arrest in the shooting have been described by law enforcement
> officials and the news media.
>
> Assaults like the Boston
> Marathon<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/b/boston_marathon/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier>
> bombing in 2013 and the attack on an anti-Islamic gathering in Garland,
> Tex., last month have been widely portrayed as acts of terrorism carried out
> by Islamic extremists. Critics say, however, that assaults against
> African-Americans and Muslim Americans are rarely if ever called terrorism.
>
> Moreover, they argue, assailants who are white are far less likely to be
> described by the authorities as terrorists.
>
> *
> * The New York Times Company
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