RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Professor Olufemi Taiwo: "Africa Must be Modern” ?

Folu ,
Pablo simply questioned the extent to which
Eritrea was being smeared, or not. Political scientists are very cautious these days
to follow the party line, so to speak.

I am sure that Pablo would agree with you, if you provided the evidence
of Eritrean terror. He left the door open for reassessment, as far as I recall.


G


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Folu Ogundimu [ogundimu3@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:38 AM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Professor Olufemi Taiwo: "Africa Must be Modern" ?

Thank you, Brother A. B. for the eloquent testimony. It is only those who have not tasted the nastiness and the brutish excesses of the Neanderthals we call leaders that can afford to stay in their ivory towers and preach to the masses about the valor of 'self-reliance, national liberation, and the need to sacrifice individual freedoms for the. collective good.

Scholars like Pablo have no moral compass to face up to fascists and apostles of Stalinist terror. I had much respect for his erudite contributions to this list until his gutless attack on my integrity in defense of one of Africa's most reprehensible regimes. For such people, I have nothing but contempt.

Cheers. Enjoy China, brother

F.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:35 PM, Assensoh, Akwasi B. <aassenso@indiana.edu<mailto:aassenso@indiana.edu>> wrote:


Well said, Brother Folu!



I thought that President-for-Life Kamuzu Banda was the last shameless African Dictator, who sold his soul to the devil (including his Malawian fiefdom trading with apartheid South Africa) in order to have the leverage to remain in power for life!



Your eloquent words about brutal dictators reminded me of when some Ghanaian diplomats paid thousands of dollars for NEW YORK TIMES and other major newspaper advertisements in praise of I.K. Achempong's illiterate and brutal military dictatorship. That was the very time, in 1972, that Acheampong's military regime had forcibly arrested and detained our Business Manager (Mr. Ofori) and me (A.B.) as the Deputy Editor of THE ASHANTI PIONEER newspaper in Kumasi, Ghana solely because of a published editorial questioning massive corruption in and brutal dictatorship of the relatively young military regime.



Speaking of brutality and torture? In Acheampong's military detention, our hairs were forcibly shaved and some prisoners (including Mr. Ofori) had soldiers stepping on their private parts (to show them where power lies), whereby some of us came out of military detention with swollen private parts.



Mr. Ofori (with his swollen private parts) eventually died from the brutal and tortuous wounds after our release from Acheampong's National Redemption Council (NRC) military detention. Thanks to Amnesty International, Ghana Journalists Association, International P.E.N. and other international agencies, which campaigned for our release. I left Ghana there after, and I never went back to live in Ghana, hence Professors Achebe, Soyinka and several other International P.E.N. writers' association members often referred to me as "Ancient Exile".



Well, some scholars, who researched in Ghana, also praised Acheampong's regime and what they saw as the wisdom in its so-called "Union Government" proposal for Acheampong to foist himself on Ghanaians as a civilian President. That was also in spite of the regime's brutality! Therefore, it was no wonder that, in WEST AFRICA Magazine of London, I openly and heartily wrote to welcome the military regime that swiftly unseated the Acheamong/Akuffo military leadership and paid them back in their own deserving political coin!



Most certainly, brutality or torture of citizens in any fashion and anywhere in Africa is unacceptable!

A.B. Assensoh, Chongqing, People's Republic of China.

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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Professor Olufemi Taiwo: "Africa Must be Modern" ?

Pablo:
This is your first contribution to this debate and it is shamefully disappointing. I am insulted that you will refer to me as 'someone who has ceased dialogue as a way of avoiding discussion.'

I have a name, signed my piece, made my principled objection to the massive violation of people's rights by uncouth brutal dictators. It is OK for you to serve as an apologist for the regime because you have privileged access to the country, you do not wish to endanger your own access , you have no family members who suffer at the hands of the 'Vagabonds In Power' as our Fela of blessed memory would say.

Chill, my brother. Defend the indefensible, sell your soul to the devil.

Good luck

Folu

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On Jun 15, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com<mailto:seguno2013@gmail.com>> wrote:

oa,
A country that denies her people of their freedoms and rights is a threat to humanity. What is going on in Eritrea is indefensible. And it is shameful.

Prof. Segun Ogungbemi

On Jun 15, 2015, at 4:28 AM, "Anunoby, Ogugua" <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu<mailto:AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu>> wrote:

That individual rights are denied or unequal does not mean that the rights are not there. If they were not there, they could not be denied and described as unequal.
The case you make for the denial of individual rights in Eritrea was made in Mao's China, Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Fascist Spain, and the Soviet Union to name a few countries. It is now recognized in the countries that the denial was wrong. It served little good purpose at the end of the day in the sense that same or even better outcomes could have been achieved without the denial.
The national liberation you claim for Eritrea as excuse for abuses by the state is a delusion because the greater threat Eritrea faces is posed by its authoritarian government and not her neighbors. That government is a threat to its people and Eritrea's neighbors.

oa
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Professor Olufemi Taiwo: "Africa Must be Modern" ?

OA,

As I noted previously, I would say Taiwo gets this thing about individual rights wrong or just partially right. To my thinking, African American appeals for justice were more about collective rights than individual rights. To be clear, I'm not saying that individual rights should be abandoned. I am saying that, in some instances, collective rights are foregrounded. Wartime is one such instance. The importance of collective rights was also the point of the African Charter on Human and Peoples Rights.

And where on the planet do these vaunted "individual rights" exist? Here in the western world rights have always been unequal. Indigenous people, Black people, Brown people don't have "individual rights" in the USA. Kaleif Browder, a young African American boy, was held for three years<http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/kalief-browder-1993-2015> at one of the most violent prisons in the USA, Rikers, without being charged. He committed suicide. Native Americans are at the bottom<http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/13/1-in-4-native-americans-and-alaska-natives-are-living-in-poverty/> of every quality-of-life indicator.

I am unclear as to what "human history" you are referring to. And I disagree that the Eritrean struggle for liberation was "delusional." I have not even heard Eritreans who are critical of the regime make that claim. Or perhaps you mean delusional as in a creeping disenchantment post-struggle a la Armah's "Beautyful Ones?"

Time will tell.

Presently, Eritrea's status is precarious. I think that is obvious to all--hardly "bogey." Here in the USA "we" have sacrifice supposed "individual rights" for a regime of mass surveillance cloaked as "national security" (Rand Paul made minor dent in the Patriot Act, but that was more political than principle). But surveillance has always been a fact of life for African Americans.

On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Anunoby, Ogugua <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu<mailto:AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu>> wrote:

"... In such instance individual freedom must be sacrificed for national liberation."
kzs

Is the case being made that the end justifies the means?
What national liberation? Who is it for? What is its cost including shame to Eritreans?
Is the suggestion that national liberation is not possible except individual freedom is denied? Of course it is.
It is usually autocratic political regimes that employ the bogey of national security to legitimize the denial of citizens' personal freedom- a fundamental human right.
Samuel Johnson was right when he said that " the flag is the refuge of a scoundrel."
Human history is likely to repeat itself in Eritrea. A majority of Eritreans will sooner or later acknowledge the wanton waste of blood, time, and treasure they endured for the delusion of national liberation, if they do not already.

oa


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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Professor Olufemi Taiwo: "Africa Must be Modern" ?

Folu,

I stand my statement. Essentially what is at issue is the realpolitik of revolution. And there are just too many Eritreans challenging these hyperbolic charges that Eritrea = Nazi Germany to ignore. Yes, young people are fleeing Eritrea. But thats true in many parts of Africa. Yes, there are forced labor camps in Eritrea. But we also have them here in the USA, the bastion of "democracy." Compulsory military is not sinister. It is necessary given the history of aggression against Eritrea. Eritrea has many flaws. I agree. It seems clear to me that there are human rights abuses in Eritrea. I condemn it. But its also true that Eritrea has made remarkable strides whilst refusing western aid--education and healthcare, for example. Any African leader who makes the courageous choice of self-reliance will certainly have many difficult obstacles to overcome. Individual freedom, electoral politics and "democracy" lauded in Taiwo's book are not workable in Eritrea at present time. They are bordered by aggressors backed by AFRICOM. In such instance individual freedom must be sacrificed for national liberation. The alternative is to become puppets of US aggression like Ethiopia and Djibouti.

kzs


On Jun 14, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Folu Ogundimu <ogundimu3@gmail.com<mailto:ogundimu3@gmail.com>> wrote:

I see how well informed you are. Did your Eritrean confidants also tell you what proportion of the Eritrean population is in prison, forced labor camps, and compulsory extended military service? And is it such a mystery that so many of the Africans perishing in the Sahara and the Mediterranean on the flight to Europe are Eritreans? Perhaps these facts are concocted too.

Wake up Dr. Shabazz, true Pan-Africanists don't defend evil blindly just because we are all black brothers. We cannot excuse Western imperialism and its neo-imperial agenda but turn a blind eye to the worst atrocities being perpetrated against the African people by megalomaniac leaders who have self-indulgent aspirations of grandeur.

I will say no more on this topic. You are welcome to your own views and agenda, brother.

F.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:59 AM, kwame zulu shabazz <kwameshabazz@gmail.com<mailto:kwameshabazz@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have met many Eritreans who have told me otherwise. What is your source for comparing Eritrea to Nazi Germany?

On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Folu Ogundimu <ogundimu3@gmail.com<mailto:ogundimu3@gmail.com>> wrote:

Don't uphold Eritrea as a paragon of a moral, modern African state, please. We can do better than live in Gulags and hail oppressors as patriotic leaders.

F.

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On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:45 PM, kwame zulu shabazz <kwameshabazz@gmail.com<mailto:kwameshabazz@gmail.com>> wrote:
Agree, sister Gloria.

And when African leaders chart a path of self-determination they are assassinated, overthrown, smeared or otherwise undermined--frequently with western connivance. The most recent example being Eritrea now labeled a "brutal dictatorship"<https://twitter.com/kzshabazz/status/609780828080476161> by the US govt.

I've ordered Taiwo's book and was able to read the intro and a substantial part of Chapter 1. Interestingly, the author says he identified with Marxist principles in Nigeria. He then went to Canada to school only to discover that capitalism wasn't that bad after all. Modernity is western thing (no mention of the ongoing oppression of First Nations/Indigenous Canadiens). Yes, he concedes, the west has got some things wrong, slavery, for example. However, because they have embraced individualism and the related principle of individual rights, western nations have shown the capacity to correct themselves. He correctly notes that all societies have gone through a communalistic stage. Africans, according to Taiwo, are stuck in this phase thus impeding their development.

African Americans didn't have to invent anything new in their demand for equal rights, they simply insisted that America live up to its lofty principles of modernity. I agree. But that isn't the whole story. He is unaware that communism played a key role in challenging racism in the Jim Crow South<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123771194>. A role that was only reluctantly taken up by the NAACP. He is critical of the conservative American right and what he see as the turn from modern ideas. He mentions specifically mass incarceration, the assault of voting rights, etc.

Taiwo believes that "Africans" haven't embraced "modernity" because they focus incessantly on its negative aspects whilst ignoring the many positive elements. He seems to miss that contemporary geopolitics have also played a significant role in what he calls Africa's "backwardsness"; that western development depends on African underdevelopment; that the principles of modernity didn't just "correct" gross injustices. Rather "modernity" America required the brutal oppression of Indigenous Americans and Africans. That oppression is less brutish but ongoing. Just as development in the west depends on Africa's raw materials presently.

kzs


On Jun 13, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu<mailto:emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu>> wrote:





Is Taiwo calling for Africa to embrace neo-liberalism, cut-throat capitalism,

western hegemony, World Governance (unipolarity), extra-judicial drones,

a military - prison-industrial system, Big Pharma and its toxic pharmaceuticals,

corporatism and rule by corporations etc.



These features may be considered part of modernity

by some analysts, rightly or wrongly.



That is why I look forward eagerly to the definition of modernity.



Since you have read the book, Pablo, kindly shed some light on this

so that we don't jump to the wrong conclusions.



G



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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Professor Olufemi Taiwo: "Africa Must be Modern" ?

It would help if people read Femi's book.

Pablo

On 2015-06-13 10:49 AM, Anunoby, Ogugua wrote:
I agree. I will add exploring modernity, warts and all too.
oa

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I hope he spent quite a while defining what he considered 'modernity' to be.
GE

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