Professor Wariboko,
I have read your piece with great interest and I think we in Africa should start thinking of such alternative to costy elections conducted sometimes with the (financial) support of donors. But the idea that pops up in my mind is to ask you how do you proceed to prevent that the computers used are not corrupted. I remember that some years ago a controversy blew up in France that the lotto winners were not always the genuine ones. Given the risk on the matter, how can we garantee that there be the least corruption in the process?
Patrick Effiboley
Le mercredi 27 février 2019 à 22:29:57 UTC+1, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> a écrit :
Toyin:
The Boko Haram imibroglio was central to the use of the system. The agencies you mentioned merely facilitated the process. The system takes a view of longer term stability rather than immediate need which is merely a contributing factor.
OAA
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Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system."
I would like to know.
Buhari won in 2015 bcs he was backed by the Tinubu led faction who control the SW along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting the GEJ govt.
The SW Tinubu led faction and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition, would give them entry into Aso Rock.
Buhari's popularity was decisively demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.
He has built that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning himself with the right wing, ethno/religious values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.
Buhari has won in 2019 bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani, the support of the SW Tinubu led faction who control the SW with the region openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down PDP votes in Lagos through thugs disrupting elections or destroying ballot papers in expected PDP strongholds, incidents reported by eye witnesses and documented in on the spot videos, manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, alo reported by eye witnesses, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses- and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North.
thanks
toyin
On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 18:38, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Ifa ever used in this way?- "The part lottery part qualification process is what is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system."
I would like to know.
Buhari won in 2015 bcs he was backed by the SW Tinubu led faction along with such strategists as Ameachi and OBJ along with the manipulations of Boko Haram emerging from the Muslim North that was central to discrediting the GEJ govt.
The SW Tinubu led faction and the PDP decampees such as Amaechi and OBJ backed him bcs they were convinced he had the popularity to win. His winning, particularity for the SW that has long been in the opposition, would give them entry into Aso Rock.
Buhari's popularity was decisively demonstrated by the massacre carried out by his supporters when he lost in 2011.
He has built that popularity by recurrently running for the Presidency, through having once been head of state through a coup where he built a reputation,though questionable, on a mantra of anti-corruption and national discipline which his whitewashers drew on in 2015, and through dedicatedly aligning himself with the right wing, ethno/religious values that dominate the Muslim North, strategies represented by declaring, at the 2008 Abacha memorial in Kano, that Abacha did not steal even as Abacha's massive loot was being returned to the nation and by his open support of Boko Haram up till 2104, the group having been seen by many in the Muslim North as an army of Muslim warriors fighting for Northern Muslim rights in the wake of the belief that the Muslim North had been cheated of the Presidency in 2011.
Buhari has won in 2019 bcs he retains his Northern Muslim followership which he has done everything to cultivate through his Northern Muslin centric appointments and his collaboration with Fulani herdsmen terrorism in alliance with Miyetti Allah, run by Nigeria's most elite Fulani, the support of the SW Tinubu led faction who have been openly and consistently promised the Presidency in 2023 if they cooperate to reinstall Buhari in 2019, aligned with manipulation of the electoral process by whittling down Igbo votes in Lagos through thugs, manipulation through poor management of the electoral process by INEC in various parts of the country, and possibly, though illegal voting in the Muslim North -documented by eye witnesses- and possibly by manipulating the voting numbers as suggested by difficult to explain voting numbers, particularly from the North.
thanks
toyin
On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 16:54, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
--Dear All.
The lottery system bodes no goodwill if implemented. It is not for nothing that the Yoruba system opine ' A kii f' ologbob sile ka fi omugo j'oba': we do not bypass the sagaciousvto enthrone the witless.
It is true that those qualified do not often let the nation benefit from their qualifications; we have debated this issue on this forum and put the blame squarely at the feet of the warped value system of capitalist presidential system that undercuts its own goals of giving an appropriate answer to the philosophical questions: what is a good society and who is a successful citizen of a good society.
The answer to these questions which has not spared the Christian evangelical society for example is: they that can demonstrate material success especially with superlative acquisition of wealth; the more the merrier. Hence religious leaders count God's blessing before congregation by the provision of sleek Mercedes limousines and the private jetsetting pastor. And we wonder why electiins are rigged and are do or die affair!
Playing lottery without first wittling down those to be input into the lottery system by qualification will invariably produce a chaotic and ungovernable society. The part lottery part qualification process is what is involved in the Yoruba selection of rulers through the If a divination system. It is a modulated electoral college system that predates the western electoral colkege system because it is not bogged diwn by vote buying ( the Ifa priests cannot be bought)
Candidates of the ruling houses are equally qualified and the faggot vendors on the streets do not belong in this qualifications even though some of the prospective royals ( who may eventually get selected and enthroned) may only be slightly materially better off that those faggot sellers.
It is ironically a modification of this system that produced Buhari over the richer Atiku in his first term and the just concluded presidential elections. It is a similar system that ensured the electoral victory of the late Baroness Thatcher over the fabulously wealthy Lord Heseltine who has groomed himself as a future prime minister from his youth before Baroness Thatcher ever developed any interest in politics.
OAA
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-------- Original message --------From: Nimi Wariboko <nimiwari@msn.com>Date: 27/02/2019 13:36 (GMT+00:00)Cc: Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigerian Election: Let us Try the Lottery System
--Dear All:
As we debate, decry, or celebrate the results of the Nigerian presidential election I want to put before you another option for choosing leaders or legislators in the country: the alternative method of election by lot, sortition. I published an essay on this in September 2017 in the Premium Times and the link is provided below. Since I published this essay I have been contacted my many people all over the world who have been pushing for a similar method of selection of leaders in democratic countries. Ireland employs something like this in its political system; deploying it when dealing with the constitutional prohibition against abortion. Kofi Annah before he died started advocating for the lottery system of selection.
Thanks,
Nimi Wariboko
Boston University
United States
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