Wednesday, March 20, 2019

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Christianity in Nigeria's Igboland : Paradox of Creativity and Destruction: Creatively Transformative Effects of Christianity in Igbo Culture: A Debate

i don't think the theology of any religion can be usefully studied as a source for the actual practices, and values, of its iteration within a given society. when i was young, i thought buddhism, and religions similar to it, zen, hinduism etc, were ideas. then when i learned about its actual practices when incorporated into dominant social groups, i learned better. people, a quick wiki search of the conflicts in places in burma, sri lanka, elsewhere, should quickly disabuse you of the notion that one faith community is better than another--when it is in power.
muslims are nowadays slammed for fundamentalist and militant varieties; but muslims are more victims than executioners in places like china or india where they are minority. we jews have always preached ideologies of ideal social practices; then along came the zionist beliefs that now are used to oppress palestinians.
where we might be victims of antisemitic hatred in france or the united states, we see our brethren generate oppressive policies towards arabs, even those in israel.
how about christians: ever hear of the 100 years war, or the troubles in ireland, or the inquisition.
and an honest account of religious conflicts in africa would remove idealistic dreams that african are different.

the problem is not religion. it is the aggressive nature of humans, and the short memories of those who had previously been victims of prejudice. power pass power, said ken saro-wiwa; power pass power enables those with guns to rule over others, to enslave and exploit them. for all the beautiful sentiments, turn the other cheek, god will reward the just, etc etc, the real features of human practices mean people use religious ideology to justify their desire to rule over others. and if you can read along with nietzsche on the sweetness of peaceful beliefs, they too are tools to conquer those who are stronger.

perhaps there is a flip side to this, where the encouragement to live a decent life is enhanced by religions as well. i can believe that too. it's just that the combat for a better life for all doesn't come through religion, the faults do not lie in religion, they lie with the uses of human power, and it is in that sphere of power, political and military, that our real combat needs to take place.
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:00 AM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Christianity in Nigeria's Igboland : Paradox of Creativity and Destruction: Creatively Transformative Effects of Christianity in Igbo Culture: A Debate
 
but are we to deny this complex history?

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 14:51, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:
This is what some religions may do to you.Your entire life becomes an apology - from dawn to dusk, and your mothers and fathers and yourself terrified by  threats of hellfire and eternal damnation, to paraphrase Biko. You become an easy prey to pedophilia - and even genocide,  should the history of the Americas  be used as a cautionary tale.  But you cannot see this unless you are outside the box. Buddhism is more inspiring.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History and African Studies
Central Connecticut State University
africahistory.net
2019 NYASA Distinguished Africanist Awardee
From: 'Michael Afolayan' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 11:00:27 PM
To: usaafricadialogue; usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Christianity in Nigeria's Igboland : Paradox of Creativity and Destruction: Creatively Transformative Effects of Christianity in Igbo Culture: A Debate
 
I'm confused! The conclusions consistently contradict their own premises. Am I missing something? Help me out here, Oluwatoyin.
Michael





On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 12:20:53 PM GMT+1, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:



                       Christianity in Nigeria's Igboland

                       Paradox of Creativity and Destruction

   Creatively Transformative Effects of Christianity in Igbo Culture
                                                                                                                   A Debate

                   Titled and Compiled 
                                 by           
                   Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
                             Compcros
      Comparative Cognitive Processes and Systems 






                                 


Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe                                                                
17 hrs · 

If you are an Igbo twin, and you hate Christianity, you are a 'bornfool'! Christianity would have allowed you to be thrown into the evil forest of your village.

If your family was ohu (slave), and you hate Christianity, you are very 'iberibed'! Christianity would have allowed you to be buried alive as you escort a titled man to the other world.

If you cut your upper teeth first, and you hate Christianity, you a first-class efulefu! Christianity would have allowed you to be dumped in the evil forest of your village or sold to Aro slave dealers.

If you have children who are not up to two years apart, and you hate Christianity, you are a cow head! Christianity would have allowed your younger child to be sold to Aro slave dealers.

If you did not walk before three years, and you hate Christianity, ibu okpo! Christianity would have allowed your people destroy you.

If you suffer from diabetes, liver and/or kidney problems... and you hate Christianity, you are not just efulefu, you are 'efoolefool' (a-fool-a-fool). Christianity would have allowed you be a candidate for dumping in the evil forest at death.

If you as a woman started seeing your period too early, and you hate Christianity, you are an unfortunate aturu. Christianity would have allowed you to be sold to Aro slave dealers.

Before you hate Christianity, make sure this same Christianity is not the reason why you are alive and free today, lest Karma remembers your house address. Anyone trying to make you believe that Christianity came with no good might just be a former Aro slave dealer or a former priest in charge of your village evil forest, please, run from such πŸ˜ŽπŸ˜ŽπŸ˜Ž

Comments
  • Jimmy Abia
    Jimmy Abia Igbo never killed twins. No records of such. It only happened in some areas of Calabar province
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    • Ike Chi-ukwu EluigweActive now
      Ike Chi-ukwu Eluigwe My dear, don't say this loud! The records are everywhere!! I used to think so before, now I know better; even my people of Abia state did.
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    • Godwin Uche Ezeugwu
      Godwin Uche Ezeugwu Powerful liar. Why did u want to become Laid Mohammed?
    • Loveday Chimenka Ogbonna
      Loveday Chimenka Ogbonna Jimmy Abia, Igbos killed twins, my grandfather saved one twin and their mother already thrown into the evil forest in those days. Christianity is a blessing
    • Igidikwu Abbor Nando
      Igidikwu Abbor Nando You're a BIG LIAR, Loveday Chimenka Ogbonna! The IGBO name for twins is EJIMA. CHRISTIANITY HAS THE WORST LIE ON IGBOS!
    • Edwin Abba
      Edwin Abba Igbo killed twins!!! My uncles - two boys were killed because they were born twins. Now I have twins, my sister has twins, my uncle had twins! What do you think would have been happening in my lineage if the killing of twins was not abolished! My brother, Igbos killed twins very much.
    • Isiodu Ềna Kelechi R.

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