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Alagba Kadiri:

This is another myth to Uyilawa. It never happened. Stop telling myths, stop telling myths. Its not fair! Government was not fair!

OAA.

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From: Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com>

Date: 27/10/2019 15:07 (GMT+00:00)

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The Edo are not and have never been part of the larger Yoruba nation, whatever that means - Uyilawa Usuanlele, October 27, year 2019.

When Nigeria had three Regions, todays Edo belonged to the Western Region until 1963, when the NPC/NCNC Federal controlled government severed the non-Yoruba speaking of Western Region in 1963 and called it Midwest Region. The capital of the new Region was Benin city. Prior to 1963, there was House of Chiefs in the capital of Western Region, Ibadan, and all the Oba of the region were obliged to attend its meetings. The House of Chiefs members deliberated mostly on Regional House of Assembly and government proposals as it affected the people. In the Regional House of Chiefs, Oba Akenzua II who reigned between 1933 and 1978 in Benin Kingdom, was third in rank to Ooni of Ife, Sir Adesoji Aderemi, and Alaafin of Oyo. Ooni of Ife used to preside over the meetings of Western House of Chiefs and in his absence Alaafin presided, while Akenzua presided in the absence of both Ooni and Alaafin. Members of the House of Chiefs were remunerated by the government according to their ranks and the is no record that Akenzua II rejected his rank or emolument from the government of Western Region up till 1963. Midwest State became Bendel State in 1976 and renamed Edo State after Asaba, Agbor, Sapele and Warri, all formerly part of Western Region prior to 1963, became Delta State.

I don't think you hate Yoruba people, rather you have developed inferiority complex for past history as it affected Benin and therefore engage yourself in refuting historical facts. You wrote, "The Edos Know their history that Omonoyan (a.k.a. Oromiyan) was the son of Ekaladeran (a.k.a Oduduwa) who was a son of Ogiso Owodo, the last Ogiso of Benin and thus Oduduwa was an Edo Prince and not a Yoruba." Let me just make a minor, but important observation. There was never THE LAST OGISO OF BENIN BUT THE LAST OGISO OF IGODOMIIGODO as there was no BENIN until the arrival of the Portuguese. However, If I have to humour you and restore your presumed and soiled ethnic pride, I will agree with you that the Edo are not, and have never been, part of the larger Yoruba nation. On the contrary, the Yoruba are, and have been, part of the LARGER BENIN KINGDOM by virtue of the roles played by ORANMIYAN in making his son, Eweka, the King of Ile-Ibinu (1200-1240 AD).

S. Kadiri

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OAA,

Firstly, i have nothing against the Yoruba. I only told history as the Edo know and experienced it and i dont know if not accepting your version is synonymous with hatred? The Edo are not and have never been part of the larger Yoruba nation, whatever that means. As i stated you are free to hold on to your Yoruba version or myth. If Edo history makes me a "laughing stock", no worries, It is no skin off my flesh.

Uyi

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Uyi.

Why was Ekaladeran also known as Oduduwa by the Edo and why did the Yoruba not call him by his second name?

Why do you call what I said a myth since everyone on this forum know I am not responsible for the narrative?

Why do you so stubbornly refuse to yield to the force of documents heaped on you which you demanded hoping they would not be found?

What really do you have against the Yoruba and why would you rather make yourself a laughing stock given your high education and why are you in SELF denial as part of the larger Yoruba nation even though we do not deny you?

OAA

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From: Uyilawa Usuanlele <biguyi@hotmail.com>

Date: 26/10/2019 20:39 (GMT+00:00)

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OAA,

You are free to hold on to your myth of "the spread of the Yoruba kingship model to South-South Nigeria: the indefatigable expansionism of Yoruba princes from Edo land eastwards!". The Edos know their history that Omonoyan (a.k.a. Oromiyan) was the son of Ekaladeran (a.k.a. Oduduwa) who was a son of Ogiso Owodo, the last Ogiso of Benin and thus Oduduwa as an Edo Prince and not a Yoruba. The Edos know that there was no importation of a Yoruba Kingship model into Edo land. The Edos had a kingship institution of first Ogisos and then Oba (an authentic Edo word and title ) which they had developed over time.

Uyilawa

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Ladies and Gentlemen:

This has been a superbly exciting foray into the genealogy of the word Yoruba. It started out as a tacit admission that it was an exonym but due to to the evidence supplied by the exemplary interdisciplinary research of Egyptology and linguistic scholar professor Abdul Salau that is an endonym generated morphologically by a Yoruba lexeme no longer extant hence its attribution to foteign languages.

From Professor Salau we now know of the existence of the primal Yara clam in the Yoruba frontier state of Kogi whose Yoruba name is the etymological root of Yoruba from the dawn of Yoruba history in the earliest diasporic movement from Ile-Ife to Oyoro and further afield to Iyara from where Oyo ttaders wete correcttly referred to by Songhai traders in THEIR OWN name Yoruba. The testimonies of Chief Afefila and Olobaagun were remarkable in showcasing the individual trade links of Yoruba trade routes to North Africa even before Islam but given the forest nature of Ile-Ife it is doubtful whether the Arab traders came directly to Ile- Ife. Its more plausible to suggest the raison detre for the foundation of Oyoro was to enable the locus of a trans-Saharan trade easily accessible to Arab and Berber traders and this seem to be the most important reason Oyo eclipsed Ile- Ife in poltical importance. So Ife traders wishing to trade on the trans -Saharan routes would find it more pragmatic to go through the Yoruba controlled Oyo than through unknown and hostile territory

It is now clear that the early Yoruba embraced Yoruba as their group name not because they could not resist the imposition of a foreign act of nomination but ptecisely because they were convinced they were the referents of a name that was genuinely theirs in generation (I wish Farooq Kperogi had acknowledged the parts he lifted from Abdul Salau's essay so he is not guilty of the crime of plagiarism which he accused online writers of perpetrating on his own work.)

I also found fascinating the explanatory force off how only Onitsha of all Igbo townships had a king as well as " (And in addition is his established fact that by and large before the Fodio Jihad Hausa land and Yoruba land had enjoyed a largely cordial relationship so as I have always maintained we are ALL a happy family in Nigeria after all is said and done. I remember my father never referred the war that decimated our flourishing kingdom as ' Ogun Hausa' " Hausa War" but 'Ogun Fulani'. In other words its the Fulani leading the majority Hausa by the nose in the name of religion to decimate other communities.)

I join GE however in expressing my reservations on Abdul Salau's attempt to link the semanto- orthograpihc roots of Egyptian and Yoruba words and indeed other Nigerian languages and Ancient Egyptian.

The consonantisation of hieroglyphics and the consistency of ' great' worked in several parts but is not consistent enough when it comes to semantics.

eg,

Wr= Great》 Iwarefa ( Yoruba

Wr 》 Ewuare/Aworo

It began to creak when we get to

Wni 》 Ya (open)

Whi 》 Yi- danu ((overthrow)

Wr 》 Aworoko

Wr 》 Owelle ( Great)

We might follow this pattern and end up asserting the English word ' write' (Wr) also came from ancient Egyptian! Then all languages can be traced to ancient Egyptian ( which is not impossible. My point is why limit it to Nigerian languages alone?

Let me once again thank everyone who has contributed to this extremely important debate about the provenance of the word 'Yoruba' which has been an unparalleled intellectually enriching experience.

OAA

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From: Gloria Emeagwali <gloria.emeagwali@gmail.com>

Date: 25/10/2019 18:06 (GMT+00:00)

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I see similarities in the Egyptian and Yoruba salutation systems, binary models, and ethical teachings as reflected in IFA and ancient Egyptian admonitions, but this linguistic comparison is quite unconvincing.

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On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Abdul Salau <salauabdul@gmail.com> wrote:

Archeology of Yoruba Name

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