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OOA,

The Itsekiri are not Edoid linguistically but Yoruboid. That the Itsekiri share a cultural affinity with the Edo and yet self-identifying with the Yoruba nation (for political survival) does not make the Edo part of the Yoruba Nation. You can continue to console yourself with the claim that some of your Edo friends do not subscribe to the version of Edo history. Your friends' non-subscription still does not make the Edo part of the Yoruba Nation. Unfortunately, the Egbe Omo Oduduwa ideology which was used to forge the Yoruba nation identity did not fly with the Edo who resisted and struggled against it with their Otu-Edo, Benin-Delta Peoples Party and Owegbe in alliance with NCNC culminating in the creation of Midwest Region in 1963. The present Odua Peoples' Congress (OPC) ideology (which includes the Edo in their Oduduwa Republic Map) is also not selling with the Edo. The Edos are not part of the Yoruba nation. We know who we are and will remain who we are, no matter whose Ox is gored. You are free to call me whatever names catches your fancy- nativist, inferiority complex sufferer, tribalist, laughing stock and so on, I will bear all with pride and dignity as an Edo person (who does not subscribe or aspire to Yoruba nationality or identity).

Uyilawa

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Uyi;

The Edo are part of the largerYoruba nation precisely because part of the Edo called Itshekiri admit they are. The Benin are part of that nation also because many Benin that I personally know do not subscribe to your version of history.

I know that because of geographical contiguity if a DNA test is done on me it cannot but reveal I share genetic traits with the Edo so contrary of your claim of ethnic supremacy against some of us only one person seem to lay claim to pristine nativity here; that person is yourself who sees a unified Edo subjectivity that is insulated from the dawn of time from Yoruba subjectivity.

Yet you paradoxically assert that there have been links between the Yoruba and Edo areas of influence since the dawn of antiquity but it only proscribed the sin of miscegenation! So you may be conversely conversing at the moment with a member of the larger Edo nation who does not believe in miscegenation ( it goes both ways!)

My brother, do I at least take it that you are now converted in view of the abundance of evidence presented to the fact that the Yoruba (that pesky word!) have referred to themselves and have been referred to by others by that self same word for almost a thousand years before your cut off date of the 20th C?

If that is the case would you be magnanimous enough to show your appreciation to those on this forum who have put so much to this cross fertilization of minds and we would leave the rest as they were?

OAA

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From: Uyilawa Usuanlele <biguyi@hotmail.com>

Date: 27/10/2019 10:38 (GMT+00:00)

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OAA,

Firstly, i have nothing against the Yoruba. I only told history as the Edo know and experienced it and i dont know if not accepting your version is synonymous with hatred? The Edo are not and have never been part of the larger Yoruba nation, whatever that means. As i stated you are free to hold on to your Yoruba version or myth. If Edo history makes me a "laughing stock", no worries, It is no skin off my flesh.

Uyi

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Uyi.

Why was Ekaladeran also known as Oduduwa by the Edo and why did the Yoruba not call him by his second name?

Why do you call what I said a myth since everyone on this forum know I am not responsible for the narrative?

Why do you so stubbornly refuse to yield to the force of documents heaped on you which you demanded hoping they would not be found?

What really do you have against the Yoruba and why would you rather make yourself a laughing stock given your high education and why are you in SELF denial as part of the larger Yoruba nation even though we do not deny you?

OAA

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From: Uyilawa Usuanlele <biguyi@hotmail.com>

Date: 26/10/2019 20:39 (GMT+00:00)

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OAA,

You are free to hold on to your myth of "the spread of the Yoruba kingship model to South-South Nigeria: the indefatigable expansionism of Yoruba princes from Edo land eastwards!". The Edos know their history that Omonoyan (a.k.a. Oromiyan) was the son of Ekaladeran (a.k.a. Oduduwa) who was a son of Ogiso Owodo, the last Ogiso of Benin and thus Oduduwa as an Edo Prince and not a Yoruba. The Edos know that there was no importation of a Yoruba Kingship model into Edo land. The Edos had a kingship institution of first Ogisos and then Oba (an authentic Edo word and title ) which they had developed over time.

Uyilawa

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Ladies and Gentlemen:

This has been a superbly exciting foray into the genealogy of the word Yoruba. It started out as a tacit admission that it was an exonym but due to to the evidence supplied by the exemplary interdisciplinary research of Egyptology and linguistic scholar professor Abdul Salau that is an endonym generated morphologically by a Yoruba lexeme no longer extant hence its attribution to foteign languages.

From Professor Salau we now know of the existence of the primal Yara clam in the Yoruba frontier state of Kogi whose Yoruba name is the etymological root of Yoruba from the dawn of Yoruba history in the earliest diasporic movement from Ile-Ife to Oyoro and further afield to Iyara from where Oyo ttaders wete correcttly referred to by Songhai traders in THEIR OWN name Yoruba. The testimonies of Chief Afefila and Olobaagun were remarkable in showcasing the individual trade links of Yoruba trade routes to North Africa even before Islam but given the forest nature of Ile-Ife it is doubtful whether the Arab traders came directly to Ile- Ife. Its more plausible to suggest the raison detre for the foundation of Oyoro was to enable the locus of a trans-Saharan trade easily accessible to Arab and Berber traders and this seem to be the most important reason Oyo eclipsed Ile- Ife in poltical importance. So Ife traders wishing to trade on the trans -Saharan routes would find it more pragmatic to go through the Yoruba controlled Oyo than through unknown and hostile territory

It is now clear that the early Yoruba embraced Yoruba as their group name not because they could not resist the imposition of a foreign act of nomination but ptecisely because they were convinced they were the referents of a name that was genuinely theirs in generation (I wish Farooq Kperogi had acknowledged the parts he lifted from Abdul Salau's essay so he is not guilty of the crime of plagiarism which he accused online writers of perpetrating on his own work.)

I also found fascinating the explanatory force off how only Onitsha of all Igbo townships had a king as well as " (And in addition is his established fact that by and large before the Fodio Jihad Hausa land and Yoruba land had enjoyed a largely cordial relationship so as I have always maintained we are ALL a happy family in Nigeria after all is said and done. I remember my father never referred the war that decimated our flourishing kingdom as ' Ogun Hausa' " Hausa War" but 'Ogun Fulani'. In other words its the Fulani leading the majority Hausa by the nose in the name of religion to decimate other communities.)

I join GE however in expressing my reservations on Abdul Salau's attempt to link the semanto- orthograpihc roots of Egyptian and Yoruba words and indeed other Nigerian languages and Ancient Egyptian.

The consonantisation of hieroglyphics and the consistency of ' great' worked in several parts but is not consistent enough when it comes to semantics.

eg,

Wr= Great》 Iwarefa ( Yoruba

Wr 》 Ewuare/Aworo

It began to creak when we get to

Wni 》 Ya (open)

Whi 》 Yi- danu ((overthrow)

Wr 》 Aworoko

Wr 》 Owelle ( Great)

We might follow this pattern and end up asserting the English word ' write' (Wr) also came from ancient Egyptian! Then all languages can be traced to ancient Egyptian ( which is not impossible. My point is why limit it to Nigerian languages alone?

Let me once again thank everyone who has contributed to this extremely important debate about the provenance of the word 'Yoruba' which has been an unparalleled intellectually enriching experience.

OAA

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From: Gloria Emeagwali <gloria.emeagwali@gmail.com>

Date: 25/10/2019 18:06 (GMT+00:00)

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I see similarities in the Egyptian and Yoruba salutation systems, binary models, and ethical teachings as reflected in IFA and ancient Egyptian admonitions, but this linguistic comparison is quite unconvincing.

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On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Abdul Salau <salauabdul@gmail.com> wrote:

Archeology of Yoruba Name

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