Sunday, May 31, 2020

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BANNED MUSIC, No. 25: Stevie Wonder, “It’s Wrong (Apartheid)”

Sir Julius,

Christianity says that salvation is exclusively through Jesus (Acts 4:10 – 12)

Islam says that the only religion acceptable to God is Islam

These two religions will never agree, or see eye to eye unless, according to Islamic eschatology, Jesus returns as a Muslim and leads the zuhr Salat at the Mosque in Damascus. Etc.

 In the meantime, both religions preach love of fellow human beings, humility, kindness, compassion, heaven…

My proposal that you all unite, unify, bite the bullet and embrace Islam was only a logical proposition but altogether "robotic" - as Lord Agbetuyi has already said. At the very least, all the African colours, ethnicities, tribes would then be united under one religion and you (Julius) would be feeling a little closer to the believers in Sokoto, Ramallah and Cairo. The oath of allegiance could then be about "one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Africa might then even have one currency…

Those of you who would be most resistant to the idea of conversion to Islam i.e. the Jews, the Christians, the idolaters, and the polytheists would have to act uniformly as Zombies.  It wouldn't matter at all to the atheists to declare the Shahada with their tongues and at best only pay lip service to the deity; they might even willingly pay zakat and give in sadaqah  - if these were state laws, but I suppose they would have a problem with praying five times a day. Fasting during the month of Ramadan, rejecting palm wine and all alcohol, especially when thirsty could also be easily done, for health reasons. If for example it was announced from the White House, that the only cure for the coronavirus is conversion to Islam, you never know who among those who want to go to Heaven would not be amongst the infected ones, who would be the first to convert. Let's say that about 2%  refuse to convert even on pain of going to the fire, these would become the dhimmi

 Re – your question: "…despite being largely Islamic/Muslims, why have Arabs not actualized the final goal of Pan-Arabism, that is, the unification of the Arab world?"

You know the story: the Arabs revolted against the big boss man Turks the and that brought the Ottoman Empire to an end   - displaced by the creation of many mini Arab States. To a great extent, the Arabs are more united through language, culture, and religion, and despite the sectarian Sunni-Shia divide - the rest of the in-fighting, civil wars, etc are due to outside interference implementing their very effective divide and rule strategies.

The Pan-Arab  dream, Arab Nationalism is being effectively channelled  through a very powerful organ known as the Arab League through which cooperation and strong partnerships unite the Arab World

At some levels, the rest of the Muslim world - are brought together through the OIC  of which twenty- seven African nations are already members…

You talk about "Arabs' ambivalence and racism towards Africa"

Arabs' ambivalence and racism towards Africa? That's a gross exaggeration and over-generalisation. I am not aware of anything like that. Read this and reconsider. The Arabs are among the most generous people in this world. I think that Africa and Africans have a much bigger problem with eth tribalism that bedevils many aspects of life in Africa, from politics to justice, equity in governance. So, what about putting your own house in order?

You are unhappy about what you refer to as "the equally odious anti-African racism in Israel, USA, Europe, Asia or SAmerica to make the point that I am not targeting only Arabs as the culprits."

When it comes to the immigration problems being experienced in  today's Israel which including the so called Palestinian territories in only twice the size of  Africa's little Gambia, you must agree that considering the myriad problems that Israel has with the Palestinians, terrorism etc, - SECURITY problems,  the suspicion with which the Israeli authorities are prone to regard  non-Jewish refugees as potential "infiltrators"  it should not be as easy or as convenient for Israel to accommodate great influxes of refugees from the Sudan or Muslims and Christians running away from Boko Haram, when they could and maybe should seek accommodation elsewhere, nearby,  in e.g. Saudi Arabia, Italy, Cameroon, Abia State, Edo State, Lagos…

 Olu Dara: Rain Shower ( My friend Kwatie on guitar there) 


On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 22:41, 'Julius Eto' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Sir Cornelius,

Thanks for your submissions. Although you said, "Julius Eto, hold your fire I understand that from your point of view, it is an outrageous question," I am still tempted to say something on your poser: "Wouldn't it be nice and easy if instead of the unending "divide and rule" the whole continent of Africa was to bite the bullet, to unite and to convert to Islam?"

I will embrace any viable suggestion to help Africa's unification, such as adopting any of the foreign religions. But this alone is not enough or even necessary. This is because, for example, despite being largely Islamic/Muslims, why have Arabs not actualized the final goal of Pan-Arabism, that is, the unification of the Arab world?

It's the same faulty argument from Marxists who say communism is the answer to all of society's woes. My reply to them is that even if all the African nations become communist but are still divided, they will remain weak, underdeveloped and susceptible to manipulation in their present small sizes by global imperialist powers such as Russia, China, and even the West. 

My position also applies to a situation where all the African countries adopt Christianity.










 On Friday, May 29, 2020, 09:20:49 PM GMT+1, Cornelius Hamelberg <hamelbergcornelius4@gmail.com> wrote:











Correction: should read "where Spanish is a very strong
second contender…



Something to chew on the 27
African States that are currently members of the Organisation of Islamic
Cooperation ( OIC)



About your namesake Mwalimu
Julius Nyerere, taking into consideration the
status of Islam in Tanzania, that Dar
es Salaam was the capital of Tanzania, that Swahili
is the main language spoken in Tanzania it's difficult to understand the
Mwalimu's attitude here: Mwalimu
Julius Nyerere and Islam



 In Nigeria, neither
Gowon, nor Obasanjo nor Goodluck Jonathan ever expressed any such reservations,
so, Tanzania under Mwalimu Nyerere cannot be the litmus test



 By the way during the
Nyerere years which mostly coincided with the Swedish Social Democrats in
power, Tanzania was Sweden's favourite country in Africa. ( Traditionally Ethiopia
was Sweden's favourite country in Africa, going back to the days when the
Emperor of Ethiopia and the King of Sweden were very good friends  - I also have a few Swedish friends who were actually
born in Ethiopia, ( mostly the children of missionaries)  - but of course, during the Apartheid years,
the fight against Apartheid  in South
Africa was always at the forefront of  Swedish
Foreign Policy in Africa



Food for thought: International relations: A United Africa and
the world….
On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 19:55, Cornelius Hamelberg <hamelbergcornelius4@gmail.com> wrote:


Brother Julius Eto,



Let's travel from your very latest to your earliest in this
thread.



 From Sunday onwards I'll
be taking a serious look at all your other submissions in this thread , but
right now it's  still Shavout
in heart and mind



 (There's the Quranic paradigm
in which the Angel Gabriel communicates via the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi
wa salaam, the objections that the kuffar, the sceptics, and the other interlocutors
made from time to time, so  that throughout
the Quran we have this ongoing dialogue, punctuated and interspersed with "Qul"
– say - answer them with the following…)



Now we are reduced to a similar dialogue in this thread,
except that I am not directly in communication with  Allah Subhan wa ta 'ala's emissary, the Angel Gabriel
, but the kinds of questions you ask about the current or future role of Islam
in the United States of Africa that you envision, have already been presupposed
and answered in the Holy Quran  - but I'll
refrain from quoting directly from it, for the moment, since you are not a
Muslim and therefore the Quran is not any Divine Authority for you.



 You say, "we do not
want to emphasize Christianity, Islam or any other religion in Pan-Africanism
to avoid further division/fissions."



That's a non-starter because among the over
3,000 different ethnicities
of Africa,  and as many languages, Christianity,
Islam and other religions/ways of life are  at the core identities of the people living in
the content of Africa. So religion,  the
ideals of Islam and Christianity and other religions, cultures, ways of life
are very important unifying factors that cannot be ignored or overlooked when drawing
up any grand schemes of continental African unity, whether political, social or
economic  - Nigeria is a microcosm of the
complexity that the planners and visionaries face. ( Interestingly enough, a
few decades ago, Wole Soyinka said that he would nominate Swahili as the
continent's language, if Africa were to have a ( one continental language – he may
have changed his mind since he made that suggestion since there's the sobering
reality of the United States where Spanish is
a very second contender not only in California  and maybe in Florida and Texas  too,  Texas
after all, used to belong to Mexico, remember ?)



 So, let us agree that
when it comes to language and religion, North Africa is more formidably united
than your Africa South of the Sahara. I should also like to point out that Berbers
come in many different colours, from white to blue-black  - and that many centuries ago, many Berbers
converted to Judaism, just as ages ago – well, we still have the legends about the
Khazars, as famously highlighted in Arthur Koestler's  "The
Thirteenth Tribe" – that the King of Khazars converted to Judaism  together with all the subjects in his kingdom
, so that  the reading of Yehuda
Halevi 's Kuzari  is recommended reading
for some potential converts to Judaism. I only mention this because in the
spiritual and ideological fight that's going on between Christian missionary
zeal and Islam for the souls of Africans, there's no telling what the near future
might bring.



 It's all about Survival




"How good and how pleasant it would
be before God and man,



To see the
unification of all Africans " ( Bob Marley: Africa
Unite



 Now, Sir Julius, think,




"How good and how pleasant it would be before God and man,



To see the unification of all Africans"



Wouldn't it be nice and easy if instead of the unending "divide
and rule" the whole continent of Africa was to bite the bullet, to unite and to
convert to Islam?



I wonder how Mwalimu Julius Nyerere would have answered that
question.



Julius Eto, hold your fire I understand that from your point
of view, it is an outrageous question.
On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 17:24, 'Julius Eto' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear Cornelius,



Thank you sir for your response(s) and clarifications. However, please take note that we do not want to emphasize Christianity, Islam or any other religion in Pan-Africanism to avoid further division/fissions.



Still on Beijing, please read a piece entitled, "The Chinese are here," by "Abdurafiu" in The Guardian newspaper (Lagos, Nigeria) today where he wrote: "Yes, we want the Chinese, but not as our masters or landlords.We must therefore be on our guard. There must be a firm lease agreement when land is given to foreigners renewable every 10 or 15 years as the case may be depending on the use to which the land is to be put."

















 On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 01:31:18 AM GMT+1, Cornelius Hamelberg <hamelbergcornelius4@gmail.com> wrote:















Brother Julius Eto,







The way things are in the United States today, we cannot say

of Trump, what was said at the funeral oration of General Washington, "A

citizen, first in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his

countrymen"







Since Black People in America are catching hell and being

decimated  on a daily basis by  "Racist

Terror"  with the latest documented

evidence of savage racist police brutality - the cold-blooded murder of Brother

George Floyd without even a squeak from Trump, not even the bogus house

negroes will pray  for their forgiveness because,

I'm sure that this is the

kind of mood that all of us are in. Right now.







Merely labelling ARICOM "imperialist"  and your prophecy that "under a united African

military command" the aforementioned " imperialist AFRICOM will die naturally" is

only day-dreaming, even if what you assume is that "The imperialist AFRICOM"

will soon submit to your "united African military command", sort of "naturally".







When you eventually address the presence of China in Africa  - and the Caribbean ( Jamaica has been taken

over completely) you should reconsider/ examine/ re-examine  Mao's most famous idea about what he called

the "Paper

Tiger".  And so, we see the US under

Trump in complete disarray, Trump already brought to his knees, his touted economic

gains in ruins, unemployment on the astronomical rise, his popularity down the

drain, his chances of re-election annihilated by what he refers to as "the invisible

enemy"







 Your rejection of all

of North Africa, and the grounds of your rejection is unacceptable and is

incompatible with the truth because Islam

in Africa – as both religion and ideology is indeed a unifying factor and there

is strong support for this thesis from Edward Wilmot Blyden through El-hajj

Malik el-Shabazz to the latest African Union Summits. We cannot afford to

neglect or underestimate the influence of Islam

as a factor in Pan-Africanism, African unity,  Islam and Islamic identities as an important factor

in international relations, the financial well-being of the continent, you can't

even afford to leave out the contributions of the Arab Development Bank in any

kind of calculation you want to make about the present and the future.







 A conscious person does

not turn a blind eye to where we are now because of ancient slavery, the more

recent history of slavery – The

Jesus of Lubeck, the Middle Passage, Professor

Tony Martin on slavery, racism,  post-colonialism,  Louis

Farrakhan,  islamophobia, the reality

of Israel and the Arabs which you can see immediately in these

maps, the land, and religion issue of  Israel

and the Palestinians, and so on and so forth.







 About you or anyone

else "being groomed for the job", I didn't mean to insult you – I know and have

known honourable people who have been "groomed for the job", some as professors,

others as journalists, opinion-makers, some as sitting presidents...







 Is this meant to be a

funny question, "Please who are the "We" in your assertion,

"We despise the anti-Arab racism and xenophobia that's implicit in what

you say here"?







Please, who do you think we are?







 Dear Julius, please permit

me to stop here for now with the promise that I'll get back to you to tell you

who "we" are and to address all the matters that you have raised in this your

post.







 Sincerely,







 Cornelius









On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 21:49, 'Julius Eto' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Dear Cornelius,



I will address the China question shortly.



The imperialist AFRICOM will die naturally under a united African military command.



On your question, "Don't you want to include North Africa as part of your 'United People'?," my answer is NO because they are anti-black racists and their loyalty is to the Arab world, not Africa.



You insult (libel?) me when you claim/allege: "I can see that you are being groomed for the job, for the time being as a little agent for the views that you are presently expressing, and who knows, in time to come, maybe, as the First President of Africa South of the Sahara?" My adherence to Pan-Africanism is not aimed at becoming "the First President of Africa South of the Sahara."



And may I ask: Are you an Arab agent just because you espouse their worldview? You seem not bothered about the Arab-inspired Trans-Saharan slave trade, the secret black slave trade/trafficking markets in NAfrica (Libya, Mauritania etc), widespread anti-African racism in Arab countries etc.



I do not doubt "that Egypt was and is still part of the African Continent, as are the other Counties of North Africa," but who and where were/are the original inhabitants/owners of these areas/lands (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Sudan etc)? Exterminated and the rest enslaved?



Please who are the "We" in your assertion, "We despise the anti-Arab racism and xenophobia that's implicit in what you say here"?



There is no "anti-Arab racism and xenophobia," in what I have written. Provide counter-facts to impeach the facticity of my submissions. Even the Arabs (and you too) know that they do not regard black Africans as their human equals.



Another insult: "you should do your best to avoid playing into the enemy's hands by inadvertently or as you seems to be doing, by deliberately promoting their 'divide and rule' policies." There is nothing to divide since the minority Arabs (and their Berber, Bedouin cousins) who rule NAfrica with an iron hand have already divided Africa with their racist policies in their countries against blacks such as is glaring in Sudan where the terrorist Janjaweed, backed by the Khartoum authorities, plunders, rapes and commits genocide against our people. This was why South Sudan wanted out and became independent, from Arab neocolonialism and enslavement.



I agree with you that "better integration of the North-South partnerships should be most welcome, for the prosperity of the continent – the whole continent," only if your Arab/NAfrican friends genuinely believe in it and eschew racism, a form of tribalism (assabiya) which the Koran and our revolutionary Holy Prophet of Allah frown at. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) recognised the then cronic (incurable?) Arab tribalism as dividing the Ummah. And you Cornelius know this. In the present case, you are like a black person denying that there is Caucasian racism.



And what do I "have to say" about Algeria for example? A bad example. For example, as i have noted elsewhere, despite all that he did (risks and sacrifices) for the Algerian revolution/independence as its foremost anti-colonial spokesman/diplomat or ambassador, the new nation's racist so-called socialist pan-Arab leaders refused to honour radical black activist intellectual Frantz Fanon. No monument, not in the hall of fame! Little or small wonder that your friends told you "that during the Liberation struggle the Algerian Jews opted to become French citizens instead of Algerians."



Advising me further, you wrote: "If anything, you should be promoting mutual understanding between all people, and not only in Nigeria but also in the rest of Africa where of course, North Africa is predominantly Muslim, just as Northern Nigeria is predominantly Muslim!"



My brother, as a traditional Nkrumahist, i am not espousing Christian Pan-Africanism because there is nothing like that. Pan-Africanism is for all black people---Muslims, Christians, traditionalists, atheists, free thinkers, naturalists etc----although it is strictly not a religious ideology or movement. It's your racist Arab friends and Caucasian supremacists that are trying to divide blacks along ethno-religious lines, not Pan-Africanists who are striving to unite our people on the continent and in the diaspora.



Pan-Africanists have always extended a hand of genuine friendship to Arabs and their cousins in Africa who, like other imperialists like the West, Russia, China, India etc are only eyeing the continent's land and resources. Our High Priest (Dr. Kwame Nkrumah) married an Arab (Egyptian). We have stood by you at the UN, Palestine etc. So we do not hate Arabs, but we detest their racism, opportunism and sponsorship/support, whether alleged or real, of turmoil and terrorism in Africa.



Chinese and Arabs are gradually taking over Africa. The communists (overpopulated Chinese) are buying millions of hectares of land in communities all over Africa as if they have a future project to resettle some of their people on our continent which they have practically enslaved with loans mortgaged with airports, railways, oil and other facilities.

Private sector chiefs, politicians, intellectuals, journalists etc should help check terrorism and neocolonialism/imperialism (expansionism) in Africa.





     On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 01:07:45 AM GMT+1, Cornelius Hamelberg <hamelbergcornelius4@gmail.com> wrote:







Julius Eto,



There you go again.



Thus far, not a word from you about China or some of the multinationals that own the mines and more or less everything else, the economies of whole nations including puppet governments



When you begin with," Pan-Africanism is more about our collective military security as a united people…" I can see where you're coming from.  Therefore AFRICOM ?



Think a little further into the future. Don't you want to include North Africa as part of your "United People"?



 Check this out:  The Military strength of African countries



I can see that you are being groomed for the job, for the time being as a little agent for the views that you are presently expressing, and who knows, in time to come, maybe, as the First President of Africa South of the Sahara?



If not, then please, kindly take note that there is no room for tribalism and racism in the Africa that optimists envision. Remember (to keep it in your mind and don't forget) that the Prophet Moses was born and bred in Egypt and that Egypt was and is still part of the African Continent, as are the other Counties of North Africa.



We despise the anti-Arab racism and xenophobia that's implicit in what you say here:



"North Africa (probably except Gamal Abdel-Nasser's Egypt) was unremarkable. NAfrica was seized from the original black owners who were largely exterminated and the rest enslaved by invaders and slave traders from the Arabian peninsula. So, it's not a surprise that the Arab racists who see themselves as whites only paid lip-service to the anti-apartheid struggle. How did the Afrikaner-run apartheid enclave get oil supplies? There were (and, it's believed, still are) secret black slave/trafficking markets in NAfrica (Mauritania, Libya etc)… Nasser, the high priest of Pan-Arabism, helped the anti-apartheid struggle to undermine the then Israeli-SAfrican romance and get the black continent's political support on the global stage for his Mideast (especially Palestinian) and world politics. Gaddafi, also a pan-Arabist, was an expansionist who eyed the continent for Arab domination, hoodwinking its leaders to believe that he was one of them. Like Nasser, he saw himself as the authentic leader/voice of the Arab world, leading the charge against Israel over Palestine and, of course, SAfrica over the apartheid regime's closeness to the Jewish state…However, Gaddafi supported the murderous Arab minority Khartoum authorities in their plunder, rape and genocide against the majority black Sudanese population."



 Just as you advocate improving  South Africa – West Africa business relations, so too better integration of the North-South partnerships should be most welcome, for the prosperity of the continent – the whole continent  – and you should do your best to avoid playing into the enemy's hands by inadvertently or  as you seems to be doing,  by deliberately promoting their " divide and rule " policies as if you don't know any better, possibly thinking that there's nothing to learn from history. If anything, you should be promoting mutual understanding between all people, and not only in Nigeria but also in the rest of Africa where of course, North Africa is predominantly Muslim, just as Northern Nigeria is predominantly Muslim!



 We can discuss South Africa as much as you want – but seriously. And what do you have to say about Alegria for example.  My friends tell me that during the Liberation struggle the Algerian Jews opted to become French citizens instead of Algerians.

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On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 20:45, 'Julius Eto' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear OAA,



 I agree with some of your submissions but reject your assertion that "South Africans need to be employed in equal rates in Ibadan, Oturkpo, Ife, Kano, Enugu, Abakaliki, and Onisha for the policy to be successful. Otherwise crying foul against South Africans is hypocritical."

 First, most SAfricans do not leave their country to other parts of the continent to seek employment except those taken there by their companies like Multichoice. Many other Africans (Ghanaians, Togolese, Chadians, Liberians, Cameroonians, Nigeriens, Malians, Mauritanians etc) are employed in Nigeria, some even holding political and elective offices.

 Second, a unified Africa will be a federation or confederation with autonomous entities but with a common currency, defence, foreign policy. Like in every true federation, you cannot violate the internal laws of a constituent entity if you aren't from there. Can a New Yorker flagrantly violate Californian laws just because he is an American?

 My brother, Pan-Africanism is more about our collective military security as a united people and continental economic integration for rapid development from pooled resources.



















  On Monday, May 25, 2020, 10:59:39 PM GMT+1, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:























 I have given my own initial  reaction to post Apartheid realities in South Africa:







 Pan- Africanism needs to run both ways:   South Africans need to be employed in equal rates in Ibadan, Oturkpo, Ife, Kano, Enugu, Abakaliki, and Onisha for the policy to be successful Otherwise crying foul against South Africans is hypocritical.







 'Help me liberate my country' is different from "help me liberate 'our' country".  Yes, pan- Africanism is a political liberationist tool; yes it is just that-political.  We have cited the case of Nigerien Almajerai in Osogbo to buttress our case.  That

  comparison still stands.  Osogbo is not their original abode and if the case is allowed indefinitely control of Osogbo economy will flounder.  There is a limit to what is allowable under ECOWAS protocol and pan- Africanism







 We have seen how fellow Nigerians ( Fulani herdsmen) are being turned away from southwestern and southeastern cities on the basis of cultural differentiation.







  Criticism of South Africans is tantamount to what Yoruba calls ' şore fúni ka lóşo tii' ( exacting perennially profits from a supposedly selfless good turn)







 Let us be real.







 OAA





















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 One of the useful organizational and inspirational tools  in the battle against apartheid was pan-Africanism. I suggest that the editors of the planned text "Xenophobia, Nativism ....."  should solicit a chapter on Pan-Africanism and the struggle against

 apartheid. That chapter may focus on the southern African frontline states and their sacrifices, and  their contributions in military and other means. West and Northern African roles in the  pan- Africanist endeavor should also be reflected on.









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 On May 24, 2020, at 6:37 PM, 'O O' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:















 My most hated word in Afrikaans. Indeed, an original "sin" against an original continent.







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 On May 24, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

























 In 1985, the South African government banned Stevie Wonder's song "It's Wrong (Apartheid)" because it explicitly condemned the

  government: "the wretchedness of Satan's wrath / will come to seize you at last / because even he frowns upon the deeds you are doing / and you know deep in your heart / you've no covenant with God / because he would never countenance people abusing."













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