So, when it comes to corruption and good governance, it's a wash between civilian "elected" governments and military ones.
Which is one of the reasons Africans are turning to military kleptocrats whom they hope would at least guarantee some stability and be decisive with decisio-making, good or bad.
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On Jan 30, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
i would add to his analysis that the army is often in control of the economic resources, or seeks to acquire land, businesses, and dominates. so they are not an outside neutral player in this, but a kleptocracy, in the final analysis.not everywhere, apparently; but when there are coups, that will follow.ken
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Are coups back?--A most intriguing piece by Eniola
--On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 12:22 DR SIKIRU ENIOLA <drsikirueniola@gmail.com> wrote:
--A very fundamental dimension of this argument will find a logical analysis in Professor Emeagwali's submission. We all know what democracy is. We are really not happy at how it is operated in Africa especially. However, there had been examples of thriving democracies that are truncated by American led disintegration units. In existing democracies now, prospects of good governance are being dimmed by the shenanigans of the Brentwood institutions which will often require the withdrawal of all parameters that enhance social services in a nation.The arguments have been made that the devaluation of currencies often arise from the non production of an economic structure which seeks to import more that it exports. This is what the modern economic slavery strategy planted in the intellectual space. The fact is that the big players manipulates the economic policies that not only put their currencies above others but that dictates damaging fluctuations in third world economies.Consequently, the aggregate of these subtle acts of sabotage prompts civil unrests and a general break down of law and order. The hoipoloi sees no causative factor beyond their leaders. Following this chain of reactions, elements in the Armed Forces rise to correct what they perceive as ineptitude. Since the army is not an institution that was programmed for civilian governance, repression, dictatorship and all forms of misrule emerge. The people will continue to protest and die until the nation fails. This is the usual road plied by the colonial coalition to keep the third world crawling.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:59 PM 'Emeagwali, Gloria (History)' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
--The truth is that the official advocates of democracy are oftenhypocritical. They went against a democratic Mosaddeghgovernment in Iran in 1953 in favor of feudalism; a democraticallyelected government of Arbenz in Guatemala, 1954; Brazil in 1964;and more recently seemed to prefer the TPLF, by no means democratic, against ademocratically elected government in Ethiopia. It turns out thatdemocracy is often just a word.
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there is a new issue of the African Studies Review out (64:3).in it they have an "African Studies Keyword" and the word is Democracy. It was written by Nic Cheesemand and Sishuwa Sishuwa.
maybe this would bear on your reading of liberal democracy, moses.
my impression is that africans have been fighting for democracy ever since colonialism came. but what is democracy? i think of it as the people being self-governing, regardless of the model. it could be parliamentary, direct, indirect, representative etc.i am angry at the failures in the united states since my vote counts less than people in smaller states, a system set up by slaveowning states to enable them to country free northern states' greater population and urban centers.we are "relatively" democratic.every nation must be like that since they are too large to enable people to sit under a tree and give their opinion and then vote.
are autocracies better? i believe autocracies can function only by theboss paying off his army police bigmen supporters, at the expense of the people. it is not just.gotta goken
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Are coups back?--Toyin Adepoju:
In 2010 or thereabouts, there was a coup in Niger and Nigeriens trooped out to celebrate the coup. That was a shock to the "democratization" brigade, but some of us were not surprised.
Then it happened in Mali more recently and people celebrated.
It then happened in Guinea and the coup was celebrated with a massive street rally, the coup plotters mobbed as heroes.
The situation in Burkina Faso is fluid, and I haven't seen audiovisual evidence of how the people reacted, but I would not be surprised if there were/are celebrations there too.
Which means, we should pose the difficult question of why people in these countries are celebrating coups, which they should be protesting in an era of "democratization" and "democratic" normativity.
Could it be that the liberal democratic model uncritically adopted and implemented across Africa is dysfunctional and has failed to promote unity and security and to fulfill the cardinal promise the pro-democracy forces made in the era of democratization: that liberal democracy would produce economic development and accountability?
--On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:20 PM Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it Africans generally welcoming these coups or armed men taking power by force whatever people think?
Toyin
--On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 02:36 Moses Ochonu <meochonu@gmail.com> wrote:
Are coups back? That may not be the right question. The right question may be, what's souring Africans on Western style democracy and making coups attractive and popular again? That question deserves a truthful answer, not an answer that uncritically reiterates the Washington Consensus and it's associated talking points and buzzwords about the imperative of "democratization."--
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