Friday, July 1, 2022

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: sachs on ukraine

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Le vendredi 1 juillet 2022 à 16:03:47 UTC+2, MEOchonu@gmail.com a écrit :
Let me get this straight. Putin invades Ukraine because....well, he can. You respond to the unprovoked invasion to help the Ukrainians protect and defend their hard-won sovereignty and your response is branded a neocon fiasco, as if you're the one doing the invading. You don't respond and you're called weak and you risk emboldening Putin to go after other adjacent countries in and outside NATO.

What, aside from repeating the necessity for a negotiated end to the war, which everyone agrees with, is Sachs offering? Is he saying the US and her NATO allies should unilaterally withdraw their assistance to Ukraine and abandon the country so Putin can easily gobble up what's left of it? Or that they should have allowed Putin to have his way?

One of the Left's problems is that once coined, certain terms of critique that should be used with circumspection and precision are deployed in every and all situations, even those whose complexity does not lend itself to such reductive constructs as "neocon" disaster.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 2:45 PM Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
hi gloria
i read what i could about the neonazi business, and am not convinced that they represent a significant part of the uykrainian forces. i read what i could about it, and it seemed very much a red herring.

you raised lots of questions about neocons in biden's administration, which are valid, and which sachs seems to lean heavily upon as well. it is an important issue, i agree. without supporting the earlier neocon agenda in the middle east, i still believe putin's invasion of ukraine was and is terrible, and ought not to pass unopposed. it is one thing to argue western neocon horrors in iraq and the middle east, and another to say, well, russia is just fine with its own horrors in ukraine, not to mention syria and mali

i find sachs a very reliable source, and he reinforced arguments that more needs to be done to push for negotiations. who would oppose that? but is putin interested in negotiation?
we can call this the horns of a dilemma. arguments against nato expansion might well be valid, but not to the point where this war is justified. trying to create a more positive western approach doesn't mean accepting russian abuses and worse.
gloria, i try to keep an open mind on these issues, which means if i read something like sachs, i am inclined to listen, to change. for now, i read so much about russian abuses, it is hard to ignore their impact in any evaluation of the situation.
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

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From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emea...@ccsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 8:49 AM
To: Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu>; USAAfric...@googlegroups.com <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: sachs on ukraine
 
But Ken, when I mentioned the 
neocons and Ukraine sometime 
 ago you reacted in the same way 
that you did when I mentioned 
the neo- Nazi links of Ukraine's  
Azov battalion. Even though 
their symbols were replicas of the 
Third Reich and they were White 
Supremacists, ideologically,
you were not convinced.
Victoria Nuland and her spouse
are known neocons with 
links to the 2014 overthrow 
of the pro-Russian regime
of Viktor Yanukovych.

The truth is difficult to hide.
Thanks for sharing Sachs' article.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association

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a relatively devastating condemnation of current u.s. actions in ukraine by jeffrey sachs
The Ukraine war is a predictable outcome of US neocon policy.


kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

har...@msu.edu

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